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Is a vasectomy barbaric?

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If the person having the OP consents to it, No, if the person doesn`t, yes.

I would like to know how lobbing the dog`s balls off without its permission is any different to lobbing its tail off without its permission. Now if a dog with a whippy tail could speak to let the owner know that it preferred a stub, or the dog that no longer wanted its balls could do likewise, I would agree with what DBD has said.

Otherwise, are both being done to satisfy their human owners?

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No. Savage but necessary in the light of the consequences of not doing it. There's no dire consequence to not chopping the ears, tails, claws or foreskin off one's dog or child.

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Because despite the best efforts of owners dogs want to make more dogs without us electing when, where & how. There are over 12 million dogs destroyed in North America every year, Canada doesn't need any more unplanned canine pregnancies. Neutering dogs is not comparable to the North American obsession with the genital mutilation of male children, perhaps that would be a more worthy topic for your marvellous obtuseness...;)

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I think neutering is the least worst option available, given the above mentioned situation regarding over supply of dogs. Of course the dog cannot give consent for the procedure, no more than it can give consent to what it eats, where it lives and ultimately how it is treated. The animal is at the mercy of the human who has elected to care for it. I think that neutering is the most responsible option for the dog owner.

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Not quite sure I agree with you there. I have owned a number of dogs and bitches, none of which have procreated. Some have been neutered/spayed, some haven`t.

Isn`t providing a secure environment and keeping it on a leash when it`s out and about the most responsible option for the dog owner?

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Absolutely, that said dogs get out. Far better to instill the idea of spaying & neutering as best defense. Not all drunks kill people whilst driving but, sadly, many do..

It's an odd culture that doesn't balk at drowning puppies but can't bring itself to say the word toilet...:confused:

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A responsible option but neutering a dog is more reliable and likely to make the dog calmer.

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In an ideal world, yes, that should be enough. Dogs, however, do not have the same restraint and common sense that humans display on occasion. How would you feel if one of your fertile dogs tunnelled out of your garden, jumped out of your car or otherwise escaped. It then latches on to the nearest female dog who is either willing or too slow to get away. Puppies ensue. Wouldn't you feel like a right shit? Isn't it along the same idea as not educating a male child, then unleashing it upon the rest of the population?

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i agree to the neutering being part of a responsible dog owner! apart from the unwanted puppies that could possible come about - dont forget that there can be health probs in unspade bitches such as various cancers or pyometria as they age, no false pregnancies either plus the possibility it may calm them - especially males

and also its not very pleasant to have a dog blobbin all over the place either!

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I've only ever had spayed bitches & never even thought about a "mess"... Put me right off my jam on toast....:blink:

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In my opinion, if you cannot afford to pay for your dog to be spayed, you cannot afford to pay for the medical care she may need if you let her get pregnant... And that goes for the puppies she will have as well.

What if she has problems hving the puppies and needs to have a C-section? That would cost a fortune!

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Personally, I wouldn't leave a dog unattended long enough for it to reenact a scene from the Great Escape. I appreciate that some do, not me though:p

Do responsible owners leave their dogs unattended for such periods?

How does lobbing its balls off educate it? If such a proposition is correct, shouldn't it be applied to chavs in the UK so that they then have the education to obtain a job?:p

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It doesn't. Not neutering your dog is akin to keeping your male child ignorant of it's own capabilities. And then saying "But I always know where he is, my Johnny is a good boy".

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My donkey escaped. My dog is faster, though less adept.

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I don't see this at all. Quite clearly, once again, you have demonstrated your superior intellect when compared to mine.

I have no idea whether my dog is sick of the sight of my face or not and, once again, you have demonstrated that you simply do not believe that another person's opinion is valid if it doesn't reconcile with your's.

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Ha! Quite the leap there AC! I love it when people try to tell me what I believe :D We disagree (shocker) and, right off the bat, you try to label me as someone who thinks they are way smart and who disregards other peoples' opinions. People can disagree you know....no one has to be right or wrong. I think you can do better :zzz:

I think you need to go and have a quiet sit down, maybe tell your dogs all about it. Maybe you don't like it that your unneutered dogs can be likened to rampant, reproducing chavs.

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Lets face it, it's not particularly difficult is it.;)

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It's not really a question of braininess though. It's textbook forum passive aggression to react to an opposing opinion by playing the "Oh you must be smarter than silly old me, you don't accept anyone elses' opinion" card.

Oh and cutting off dog tails just ain't right.

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Actually I remember when I was younger we had a female JR and was told by vet to let her have her first season then get her spayed (I dont know if this is still common practice but this was back in 73!) - ok says my mum . .. . first sesaon starts - we re v proactive - dog not walked out side = only allowed in garden - we were in a new development with v secure 6ft fencesa all around - excellent - that'll keep her safe - next door had an irish setter - it howled and howled - but we laughed cos we had a big fence!

He jumped it!!!!

Luckily my mum was in the kitchen and saw him come over and ws able to fly out and grab our jr before any rumpy pumpy ensued - BUT had she not been there - could have been some interesting pups!

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the one thing that is concerning me in all this conversation is the poster who said they didn't have the spare cash to get their female dog spayed so were considering getting that bitch pregnant to alleviate what are obviously some kind of hormonal problems associated with this....

what she seems to have not contemplated is that the costs of a pregnancy in a bitch can be far, far more than the costs of spaying your dog (who cares if she is cute, cute doesn't correct genetic defects in the puppies!)... can you afford a genetic screening of both your girl and the father to ensure that the pups have no undesirable characteristics - could be anything from nasty temperament to allergies or heart or gut defects. Are you sure your girl will have no physical impediments that could prevent her giving birth naturally (and if she can't are you prepared to pay for an emergency C-section for her - or are you prepared to watch her die and almost certain horrible death? an emergency c-section WILL to cost way more than a scheduled spaying btw...) Can you pay for vaccinations, worming etc etc and any other treatments the pups (and mum) needs after the birth? What if mum gets an infection and needs antibiotic treatment - or even worse an op to remove her uterus. What if mum has a hormonal imbalance and has no milk for the pups - are you prepared to bottle feed upwards of 6 puppies every couple of hours?

If the puppies are less than genetically desirable (ie they won't further the breed) are you prepared to pay to have your puppies spayed/neutered before giving them to their new families(because with the huge amount of unwanted dogs out there, unless your pups are something special (and cute does not count!) you are probably looking at giving them away for free...

and if you cannot get rid, are you prepared to support those pups for their natural life?

IF you answer no to any of those questions, you should not be contemplating breeding your dog - and it would be cheaper for you to bite the bullet and get her spayed... cute is NOT a good reason to breed a dog!

indescriminate breeding"becaue they are cute" is something I feel very, very strongly about - and I have never bred dogs I bred pedigree angora goats.... but same principle - cute still does not cut it -unless they further the breed or are genetically viable or you are breeding for some really other good reason you have no business breeding...

backyard breeders are almost as bad as puppy farms in my opinion!

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They'd be a new "breed" and valuable. This week at the dog park we encountered something the owner called an "Irish Doodle" half red (I assume) setter and half poodle. Your dog's nothing now if it's not made of bits.

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One of our kids friends has a ShitPoo... I ShitPoo you not..:blink:

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My aunt used to breed cocker spaniels, and I remember a few years back her telling my mum about someone who used one of her stud-dogs to get some cock-poos...

I can still see the expression on mums face to this day :rofl:

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If you read my post in it's entirety, I said I doubted that I would breed her as I am aware of all the unwanted dogs already out there.

Yes I am aware of the potential costs involved in a pregnancy.
Yes I am aware of the potential upbringing of said puppies.
Yes, I am aware..... blah blah blah.

I was also not suggesting getting her pregnant to alleviate her hormonal problems, I said I had been told it "MAY" alleviate them just as spaying "MAY" alleviate them.

I am not planning on breeding her, nor did I ever say I was.

Actually, I find your post quite insulting... basically implying that I am not a responsible dog owner (which I very much am) and that should I breed my dog I would be no better than a puppy farmer...

Finally, the "because she is cute" was a joke. Hence the "lol" at the end of the sentence.

:thumbdown:

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absolutely bang on ... completely agree with everything here very well said!

:rofl:

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When we lived in Korea there was a puppy farm across the road from our apartment. Every time we walked past to hike up the hill, the poor wee things would go crazy, barking like mad.

Such a shame, they looked so tasty. Er, I mean cute.

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Did you eat any pooches?

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I don't know. We lived in a rural area and not many people spoke English. When we ate out we usually just pointed to pictures, or else just ate whatever we were brought. So it's possible - I know we ate just about every other type living creature that had the misfortune to get within cleaver range.

Having said that, I know that in general Koreans are rather ashamed of their dog-eating, and often go to great lengths to prevent foreigners seeing dog restaurants. So perhaps it's unlikely that we did eat any.

But I wouldn't be bothered by it - it's just meat.

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Me neither. I saw plenty of small dogs in cages for sale in Hanoi when I was there - they were next to the pigs and chickens so I didn't think they was pets.