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Old Mar 30th 2011 | 4:42 am
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Originally Posted by JonboyE
On the reality check about the learning grant Novo made this point, but I don't think he empathized it enough. The tax credits that will be replaced are non-refundable. I.e. if the student earns less than $10,000 a year and so doesn't pay they are of no benefit to the student. They can pass the credits to their parents or carry them forward to future years, but they don't help the student when they need help the most in the way a grant will.
Thanks for the clarification, but in the interests of ethics, I didn't make the point myself but simply quoted a comment on the article posted by an anonymous user on the cbc site.
 
Old Mar 30th 2011 | 4:49 am
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Originally Posted by Almost Canadian
So which of the current leaders extolls such a virtue?
None of them. My socially progressive / fiscally conservative views are not represented by any political party that I can think of.
 
Old Mar 30th 2011 | 5:00 am
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Originally Posted by JonboyE
........b) Running an election campaign by announcing what you are going to do after the following general election suggests a government that has no sense of vision and purpose...............
The wording is on Harpers proposed Family Tax Cut....is not as you spin it above. The actual position is:

"Building on this strong record of lowering taxes on families, a re-elected Conservative Government will, when the budget is balanced within our next full term of office, introduce the Family Tax Cut to allow income sharing for couples with dependent children under 18 years of age."

http://www.conservative.ca/press/new...family_tax_cut

Or the Financial Post version...."The Tories project it to cost $2.5 billion a year once implemented -- “when the budget is balanced within our next full term of office,” the party’s news release says."

http://www.financialpost.com/news/ec...019/story.html

Not as you and I think Novo keep spinning it....

As for income splitting for couples..when the country can afford it, this approach should be the norm for all legally accepted partnerships. I doubt under any government that will ever happen. Ah Well....
 
Old Mar 30th 2011 | 5:08 am
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Originally Posted by airbornesapper
The wording is on Harpers proposed Family Tax Cut....is not as you spin it above. The actual position is:

"Building on this strong record of lowering taxes on families, a re-elected Conservative Government will, when the budget is balanced within our next full term of office, introduce the Family Tax Cut to allow income sharing for couples with dependent children under 18 years of age."

http://www.conservative.ca/press/new...family_tax_cut

Or the Financial Post version...."The Tories project it to cost $2.5 billion a year once implemented -- “when the budget is balanced within our next full term of office,” the party’s news release says."

http://www.financialpost.com/news/ec...019/story.html

Not as you and I think Novo keep spinning it....

As for income splitting for couples..when the country can afford it, this approach should be the norm for all legally accepted partnerships. I doubt under any government that will ever happen. Ah Well....
I dont really see that "within our next full term of office" is significantly different to "sometime after the next election"?

Its a "Jam Tomorrow" policy how ever you look at it.

If its a fair and good idea, then the time for it should be now. That really should go for any fair and good ideas I would think. Introduce it already and balance the books some other way if you think its a good idea.
 
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“when the budget is balanced within our next full term of office,” the party’s news release says."
You can't really believe that will happen?
 
Old Mar 30th 2011 | 5:12 am
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Originally Posted by airbornesapper
The wording is on Harpers proposed Family Tax Cut....is not as you spin it above. The actual position is:

"Building on this strong record of lowering taxes on families, a re-elected Conservative Government will, when the budget is balanced within our next full term of office, introduce the Family Tax Cut to allow income sharing for couples with dependent children under 18 years of age."

http://www.conservative.ca/press/new...family_tax_cut

Or the Financial Post version...."The Tories project it to cost $2.5 billion a year once implemented -- “when the budget is balanced within our next full term of office,” the party’s news release says."

http://www.financialpost.com/news/ec...019/story.html

Not as you and I think Novo keep spinning it....

As for income splitting for couples..when the country can afford it, this approach should be the norm for all legally accepted partnerships. I doubt under any government that will ever happen. Ah Well....
I see that you use the National Post as a source in most of your posts. The National Post the equivalent to the Daily Mail. Tabloid trash!
 
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Originally Posted by Alan2005
None of them. My socially progressive / fiscally conservative views are not represented by any political party that I can think of.
I would probably position myself here as well. I think that generally the Liberal party is our natural home.

Fiscal conservatism. I know I labour this point but you have to credit the Chretien/Martin government for putting the country's finances back together from the mess they inherited from the previous Tory government. That Canada has survived the recession reasonably well is the result of their work, and nothing Harper should be claiming credit for.

Socially progressive. Iggy is doing his best to keep his vision of Canada to himself, but the Liberals have a proud history of driving the country forward. Liberals like Pearson, Trudeau and even Chretien have done much to change Canada from a colonial backwater.

Of the real alternatives:

Conservatives - deeply, deeply conservative and regressive on social issues. Harper is too close to failed Republican economic policies for me to trust him.

NDP - Jack says a lot of good things but then he can as he will never be called on them. He will never be in the position to run the national economy so his economic management skills are not a concern. Just as well, having seen the mess the NDP made of the BC economy.

The Bloc are not a party we can vote for, but I don't have an issue with them. They are out to secure the best deal for Quebec. Not that dissimilar to the original intention of Reform for the West.
 
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Originally Posted by airbornesapper
The wording is on Harpers proposed Family Tax Cut....is not as you spin it above. The actual position is:

"Building on this strong record of lowering taxes on families, a re-elected Conservative Government will, when the budget is balanced within our next full term of office, introduce the Family Tax Cut to allow income sharing for couples with dependent children under 18 years of age."
Then it is not going to happen. He is telling porkies again.
 
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Originally Posted by Alan2005
None of them. My socially progressive / fiscally conservative views are not represented by any political party that I can think of.
I sort of comprehend the definition of social progressivism in regards to western democratic local or national governmental policy, and this is not rhetorical, but I'm at total loss to understand what the term ‘fiscally conservative” means?
 
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I'm at total loss to understand what the term ‘fiscally conservative” means?
Dont tax more than you have to, and dont spend money you dont have?
 
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Dont tax more than you have to, and dont spend money you dont have?
If only.....
 
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I sort of comprehend the definition of social progressivism in regards to western democratic local or national governmental policy, and this is not rhetorical, but I'm at total loss to understand what the term ‘fiscally conservative” means?
Balance the budget, borrow to invest and not to spend, don't splurge money you don't have on things you don't need. That is part of it.

Belief that the free market is effective in allocating scare resources in the productive sector of the economy. Government's role should be limited to regulating markets and not directing them.

Accepting that the free market is not effective in allocating resources in the non-productive sector. Government has a duty to ensure that services are delivered to the population in an efficient manner.
 
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Originally Posted by JonboyE
Anyone else think there was something especially nauseating about Harper singing Imagine.
Until this moment I had no idea that he had done so. I'm nauseated.

hth.
 
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Until this moment I had no idea that he had done so. I'm nauseated.

hth.
I have resisted the temptation to google it too. Too close to lunch time still.

I do have "Imagine there's no Harper" as an ear itch now though...
 
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Dont tax more than you have to, and dont spend money you dont have?
That definition does seem to be a little imprecise and thus open to a rather wide debate.
 


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