Originally Posted by Almost Canadian (Post 13063213)

I suggest you look at what I am saying. I have never argued that vaccination does not reduce the effects of C-19. I have simply stated that being vaccinated does not prevent one from catching it, or passing it on.

Originally Posted by Almost Canadian (Post 13063030)

That information is already available to them, as every news report makes such statements.

Originally Posted by Almost Canadian (Post 13063214)

So, why are the vaccinated not required to prove that they are not carrying the virus, the same way that the unvaccinated are?

Originally Posted by Danny B (Post 13063241)

I am triple vaxxed, I strongly believe that the old and vulnerable should be vaccinated, but I'm still on the fence regarding children (5-15), and young adults (16-25) who have already contracted COVID and have good anti-bodies. No need for a further vaccine in my opinion.

Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 13063259)

I don't know if you saw this on the other thread but the indication is that even young'uns with good anti-bodies will see them wane.

I suppose one could test for anti-bodies and then vaccinate when they get down to a particular level - if it's not 'too late' by the time that is discovered - but it's likely easier and cheaper to just vaccinate

Originally Posted by Almost Canadian (Post 13063215)

It's a shame you are incapable of reading what I actually stated, and not what you think I stated. I suggest you read it again. What I stated was correct.

Originally Posted by Danny B (Post 13063289)

It all depends on what you read, there are so many conflicting 'medical' reports out there, it's difficult to know who is in the pockets of big pharma!
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Originally Posted by kimilseung (Post 13063327)

People often say "think for yourself", "do your own research". I am not sure I am in a position to do these things with any reliability. I have left it to the majority of the experts in their field, much like I do for almost everything else in life.

Originally Posted by kimilseung (Post 13063327)

People often say "think for yourself", "do your own research". I am not sure I am in a position to do these things with any reliability. I have left it to the majority of the experts in their field, much like I do for almost everything else in life.

Originally Posted by Jsmth321 (Post 13063332)

Yep, sure I read a bunch of the science stuff out of curiosity, but I certainly don't understand it all, and most lay persons likelty can't either, just like with the law, I can read the literal laws but I cannot properly interpret them, lawyers can but they have years of education in it, doctors and science folks the same, reading is one thing, properly interpreting is another.

Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 13063341)

It's not just lawyering and doctoring. I don't know how electricity moves around the house. I don't know what's inside the water heater. I don't need to know that stuff because there are experts and I call them when needed. It's crazy to think everyone can and should know all about everything.

Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 13063323)

We could take guesses. I'll start. Nobody. No company or individual has presented a different study result or suppressed a study as a consequence of a payment from a pharmaceutical company.

Feel free to demonstrate that I'm wrong by citing a documented example. While you're at it I'd like one of those 100mpg carburetors hidden by the oil companies.

Originally Posted by Danny B (Post 13063360)

This is probably available on Amazon if you search for it.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not against big pharma, but it's a business. Much like tobacco companies advertising low tar fags to prevent people quitting and to keep people smoking their 'healthier' option.

Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 13063368)

Oh, I understand that business is business and the Sacklers, for example, operated in a generally businesslike fashion; though killing your customers is sub-optimal. Still, it's a big leap from there to falsifying or suppressing medical studies on a large scale through the payment of bribes. Is there any proven case of that?

Originally Posted by Danny B (Post 13063289)

It all depends on what you read, there are so many conflicting 'medical' reports out there, it's difficult to know who is in the pockets of big pharma!

For example, this Israeli study says that natural immunity is superior to the 2 shot vaccine.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1....24.21262415v1

Conclusions This study demonstrated that natural immunity confers longer lasting and stronger protection against infection, symptomatic disease and hospitalization caused by the Delta variant of SARS-CoV-2, compared to the BNT162b2 two-dose vaccine-induced immunity. Individuals who were both previously infected with SARS-CoV-2 and given a single dose of the vaccine gained additional protection against the Delta variant.

Originally Posted by Danny B (Post 13063391)

Google Pfizer bribes and see what you find. First few results didn't look that promising..

Originally Posted by CanadaJimmy (Post 13063334)

I did my own research and found that the vaccine is simply a synthesized protein (mRNA) that is the same as what is in the virus, and so injecting it just educates your immune system to attack that protein. It's a fairly simple concept, although the science behind creating the mRNA is obviously complex.

Of course when I posted this as a reply to someone on Facebook, they just told me to do my own research, as if they hadn't even read what I wrote.

Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 13063184)

So long as they stay home it doesn't matter. It's only an issue if they go to public places.

Originally Posted by printer (Post 13063430)

Now if the governments went all out and made vax passports mandatory for ALL places even essential businesses there might be some more people getting it and those that don't wouldn't be mixing with anyone in public.

Originally Posted by Danny B (Post 13063241)

I just finished listening / watching this Podcast between Joe Rogan and Sanjay Gupta, both sides had some very good points.

https://open.spotify.com/episode/6rAgS1KiUvLRNP4HfUePpA

I am triple vaxxed, I strongly believe that the old and vulnerable should be vaccinated, but I'm still on the fence regarding children (5-15), and young adults (16-25) who have already contracted COVID and have good anti-bodies. No need for a further vaccine in my opinion.

Originally Posted by Almost Canadian (Post 13063212)

FFS

I have stated recently that governments should make the vaccine mandatory, but they don't have the balls to do so.

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Originally Posted by Former Lancastrian (Post 13063809)

I wonder if this was Ebola if so many would think about not getting vaccinated?

Originally Posted by Former Lancastrian (Post 13063809)

I wonder if this was Ebola if so many would think about not getting vaccinated?

Originally Posted by Jsmth321 (Post 13063899)

This is from reddit, someone with cancer and a tumor having their surgery delayed, this is just one person's story but this is what is happening, ICU nurses saying it's worse than is being let on.

This pandemic has shown that the healthcare system is literally being held together by duct tape. The person who posted this received this when they were notified their cancer surgery to remove a tumor had been delayed.

Seems to be getting worse with the staff shortages as people are overworked and burning out and leaving healthcare, add in the 5,500 roughly refusing to get vaccinated who will supposedly be fired in the coming weeks, things not looking too good.


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Originally Posted by printer (Post 13064149)

Yet yesterday they were making plans to relieve some restrictions on capacity limits and possibly other small things. Todays cases were up again. Sometimes it seems like the right hand isn't talking to the left.:ohmy:

I've been watching the UK news with interest and i noticed last nights news started with COVID cases and possible return to some restrictions although Boris seems to be denying any such move his critics are calling for changes now before it gets out of hand and stating things like "100,000 cases a day" if we don't do something!

Originally Posted by CanadaJimmy (Post 13062780)

Honestly, the amount of misinformation, lies and garbage shared on Facebook by Canadians about the COVID vaccine is making me sick.

People share news from fake news sites, chastise others for vaccinating their kids (“oh those poor babies!”) bring up unverifiable data points like VAERS and overall the attitude is childish spoilt and bratty. Basically finding any excuse to not do their part and get vaccinated.

The worst seems to be people from rural or suburban areas. It’s like the suburbs turn people into adult children. Not just in this case either but whining about all sorts of things.

I know it’s not all Canadians but it’s sickening seeing other countries that have more of a social/collective conscience getting it dealt with while individualistic selfish Canada people just chant “my rights!” while this nightmare pandemic drags on.

Apologies for the rant, but man, it’s super frustrating. We’re going to need booster shots every year if this carries on.

Originally Posted by Mordko (Post 13065039)

Its a very small proportion.

Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 13065136)

We have two health authorities in NB. One has 12.5% completely unvaxxed and the other, 13%.

I wouldn't describe that as small especially considering the 'incentive' they are facing to get it done.

I saw 12% for government workers in the province the other day too.

This contrasts with 8.5% of the general (eligible) population unvaccinated.

What are people in other provinces seeing?

Originally Posted by printer (Post 13065159)

I wonder what the percentage is for the absolute "anti vax" without question brigade? I would guess that some have what they would describe as valid reasons, these of course may be valid to them personally but seen as "an excuse" by others. Some will have strong religious beliefs, some may be unable to be vaccinated safely due to medical issues but i am sure some will be just totally against it which would seem odd considering the profession they are in.

Originally Posted by Gozit (Post 13062950)

I got vaccinated to get the green pass to travel and go about my life...I don't think covid is as bad as "they" say, and clearly given Ontario's numbers the vaccine is not as effective as claimed. I support the vaccine but clearly it is not a fix-all solution, and I don't agree with it being mandated. People should have the right to choose. I chose to get vaccinated but I support people's choice to not get vaccinated also.

People can whine about how it's not a mandate but if people are being threatened with losing their jobs, and therefore their livelihood, if they do not get it then to me that is a mandate / use of force.

As said, anti-vax people are everywhere, not just Canada. If random people's opinions are making you hate a country then you should really re-evaluate your priorities. I have people in my life who are not vaccinated and it has no bearing on whether I hang out with them or associate with them. I really just don't care. Get vaccinated, don't get vaccinated...it doesn't affect me. I have my opinions and hunches but i'm not really qualified to say what is and isn't, and I don't really care to research the piss out of it. Keep calm and carry on and all that. And besides, I don't think it is mine or anyone else's business to ask people whether they are vaccinated or not. It's private information.