The country we left behind
#136
Re: The country we left behind
Right you are. We constantly improve our skills, earn money and tend to have better life. And if there is any chance to live on the coast somewhere in Spain, I prefer it without hesitation! Actually I`ve already purchased a villa in Athens here <<<SNIP>>>and plan to give my kids better opportunities and higher level of life.
#137
Lost in BE Cyberspace
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Hah good question- however government follows different rules than the private sector. Their measurement of productivity seems to be how to mislead the voters, better they are, the more they all make in the long run ! Their objectives are just different.
#138
Re: The country we left behind
Britain is now looking to encourage technical education (T-levels I believe they are calling it) in an attempt to catch up with German productivity. Will it happen? Who knows, far too much class consciousness prevails in modern Britain to let a good idea like this gain traction.
In general education does correlate with earnings, and often it's not down to the knowledge, but the social skills and networks that people young people are able to establish in their younger years.
As to entrepreneurial mindset, it does exist, although as Rich pointed out, individuals without a natural entrepreneurial bent can acquire many of the skills and some of the drive through hard work.
Any luck on your own re-employment, it can't be easy at this time of the year? Hope 2018 will be fruitful for you.
In general education does correlate with earnings, and often it's not down to the knowledge, but the social skills and networks that people young people are able to establish in their younger years.
As to entrepreneurial mindset, it does exist, although as Rich pointed out, individuals without a natural entrepreneurial bent can acquire many of the skills and some of the drive through hard work.
Any luck on your own re-employment, it can't be easy at this time of the year? Hope 2018 will be fruitful for you.
Thanks for our good wishes by the way, I am still trying very hard to obtain employment, however options are diversifying somewhat now, I have a number open to me at present I just need to decide which is the best path to take. Thats the tough part.
Last edited by Paul_Shepherd; Dec 20th 2017 at 4:40 pm.
#139
Re: The country we left behind
I think some posters have taken this education equating to earnings a little bit too generally, I think some knew the point I was trying to make…. Of course there are many factors that define how successful one will be or how much money they will earn during their careers, and anyone that has made a success of themselves through being an entrepreneur then good for them! I admire them. I still think it’s a natural talent to make it a real success.
My point in particular was about VOCATIONAL education which is taken alongside on the job training, not academic education as such, (although some academic qualifications are directly associated with a job and could be included in the point I am making) if someone commits to years of education/training then why shouldn’t they earn more than someone who couldn’t be bothered, even when such an opportunity was presented to them!?
In my early career days most companies that employed a young new employee would offer some sort of apprenticeship or training scheme along with a funded college education, this was usually part funded by the government. Many young people at the time would bail out as it was easier to take an unskilled job as it was offering more money (in the short term) and they didn’t want to put in the effort in obtaining a vocational education.
Why should they earn the same as someone who has put the work into learning a trade and the education that goes along with it.....do they get a raise too when the new minimum wage comes into effect?
My point in particular was about VOCATIONAL education which is taken alongside on the job training, not academic education as such, (although some academic qualifications are directly associated with a job and could be included in the point I am making) if someone commits to years of education/training then why shouldn’t they earn more than someone who couldn’t be bothered, even when such an opportunity was presented to them!?
In my early career days most companies that employed a young new employee would offer some sort of apprenticeship or training scheme along with a funded college education, this was usually part funded by the government. Many young people at the time would bail out as it was easier to take an unskilled job as it was offering more money (in the short term) and they didn’t want to put in the effort in obtaining a vocational education.
Why should they earn the same as someone who has put the work into learning a trade and the education that goes along with it.....do they get a raise too when the new minimum wage comes into effect?
#140
Re: The country we left behind
That is always the case...days/weeks/months of no responses and then 2 or 3 come in almost simultaneously and you have to decide on one job offer which is a nice problem to have.
#141
Re: The country we left behind
But the waiting is cruel. Hubby is in the same boat. I think we’ve both reached a point where we don’t expect a reply 😢
#142
Re: The country we left behind
These are options more so than jobs, Im looking at retraining options and relocating for work type option. Some options completely life changing... not decisions you can make lightly. Maybe the ghost of Christmas past will pay me visit and tell me which option to take!
#144
Re: The country we left behind
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#145
Re: The country we left behind
You don't even want to be my comrade any more. Everyone's labour is valuable, and until the needs of the poor are being met, the wealthy are overpaid. It's that bit about "Do they get a raise too?" The tradesman making twice as much or more as someone on minimum wage isn't going to be unable to afford to live from month to month, that's the difference.
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#146
Re: The country we left behind
I think your expectations are guaranteed. Should someone working in a minimum wage job be paid enough to live? That's the question behind raising the minimum wage. Quality of life is directly related to crime, health costs, the well-being of society as a whole. Don't worry, I'm not for purging society of intellectuals.
#147
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I think your expectations are guaranteed. Should someone working in a minimum wage job be paid enough to live? That's the question behind raising the minimum wage. Quality of life is directly related to crime, health costs, the well-being of society as a whole. Don't worry, I'm not for purging society of intellectuals.
The government also has a role in all this beyond inane policies. I looked up on the HMRC site and there is a calculator of how one would benefit from work as opposed to the dole and housing benefit : it seems for many part or full time jobs the added benefit of working isn't that much, the benefits phase out to fast.
Milton Friedman had a great idea disliked by the left and the right, a negative income tax, and eliminate social welfare expenses. In the example he gave, ended up people would receive more in cash benefits state would spend less on social costs.
#148
limey party pooper
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Re: The country we left behind
https://youtu.be/Ds3rGOwVdqg
What's so good about democracy?
What's so good about democracy?
#150
Re: The country we left behind
Good point the relationship between quality of life and a minimum standard of living. Senseless tax and government policies, and restrictions on freedom of enterprise certainly restrict economic growth of the economy- and overall real wages are just not enough in UK or USA- so why let the poor or working poor suffer from lack of economic growth ?