Originally Posted by JamesM (Post 13081023)

Where is this data?

Most people I know who got covid pre-vaccine still went and got the vaccine after. Especially as two of them went to hospital.

Originally Posted by Danny B (Post 13081032)

this Israeli study says that natural immunity is superior to the 2 shot vaccine.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1....24.21262415v1

Conclusions This study demonstrated that natural immunity confers longer lasting and stronger protection against infection, symptomatic disease and hospitalization caused by the Delta variant of SARS-CoV-2, compared to the BNT162b2 two-dose vaccine-induced immunity. Individuals who were both previously infected with SARS-CoV-2 and given a single dose of the vaccine gained additional protection against the Delta variant.

Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 13081018)

I don't know that anyone considers the unvaccinated a scapegoat. They're not helping for reasons noted above but, even if everyone was vaccinated, the coronavirus would continue.

Originally Posted by Shard (Post 13081031)

Good question.

Japan: population 126 million (approx double Britain) deaths 18,737
Britain: population 68 million deaths 146,477

If Britain had the same population as Japan, Britain's deaths would be 271,000 (approx) compared to Japan's deaths of 19,000 (approx). Something our Asian friends are doing is saving hundreds of thousands of lives. If you're wondering why should we? this is good place to focus, because it will save many many lives.

Originally Posted by Siouxie (Post 13081037)

Read some of your posts recently? You frequently blame everything on the 'unvaxxed' - (not including those that are unvaccinated for genuine reasons... remember? - this for just one.. https://britishexpats.com/forum/mapl.../ )
:hysterical:

Originally Posted by Shard (Post 13081031)

Good question.

Japan: population 126 million (approx double Britain) deaths 18,737
Britain: population 68 million deaths 146,477

If Britain had the same population as Japan, Britain's deaths would be 271,000 (approx) compared to Japan's deaths of 19,000 (approx). Something our Asian friends are doing is saving hundreds of thousands of lives. If you're wondering why should we? this is good place to focus, because it will save many many lives.

Originally Posted by printer (Post 13081015)

And some would describe Nicola Sturgeon as the opposite of Boris but has there been a noticeably much smaller number of hospitalizations, deaths and overall cases in Scotland because of the never ending mask mandate? Boris promised (rightly or wrongly) they would go back to some normality and set a date and a target which they did in summer. I don't remember mass hospitalizations or huge death numbers because of this. Yes there were mass cases coming out of some events but it still didn't really lead to much and vaccinations were working. Some would have us wearing masks forever because, well just in case and our Asian friends really don't mind it so why should we. Why should you be horrified at the lack of mask wearing recently in London, it was not mandated so therefore personal choice and clearly despite what we are led to believe the majority do not want to wear them.

Originally Posted by printer (Post 13081043)

Well that would be a good point IF hundreds of thousands of lives could be saved by simply wearing a mask, but i don't buy it. Are we saying that Japan is as good as it is because of masks alone? There is i'm sure many other factors involved. Their culture is totally different to that of the UK for example and therefore impossible to compare. In most instances around the world when masks have been introduced or reintroduced we don't see the curve flattening much and most always we see more restrictions added to compliment the masks.

Originally Posted by Jingsamichty (Post 13081069)

The trouble is that Boris Johnson places his personal popularity as an additional factor in his decision making. If he hadn't relaxed mask-wearing, and promised that relaxations would be irrevocable, then he wouldn't now be facing hostility at the potential reintroduction of distancing measures. He's a typical profit-taker, declaring profits before the contract is actually delivered. So while there may or may not be significant differences in the cases, hospitalisations and deaths between Scotland and England (I don't know), there is a world of difference in the attitude towards tackling the virus. Sturgeon has been consistent. Johnson has flipped and flapped about like a prize salmon. It's not helpful, and the cynic in me wonders if his latest Omicron announcements are just to get rid of the Downing Street party headlines.

Originally Posted by JamesM (Post 13081048)

Although obesity in the UK is 27% and in Japan it is only 4%.

The average Jap is much fitter.

There is a high correlation between Covid and obesity.

Originally Posted by Jingsamichty (Post 13081079)

I think the obesity correlation is very, very significant. Look at the US deaths for further corroboration of that.

Originally Posted by Shard (Post 13080970)

It depends the evolution of the virus. If it starts to become relatively benign then the a combination of gained immunity and vaccine immunity may lead to a herd immunity. Conversely, if a more virulent strain emerges, then the naysayers will impair herd immunity and be deserving scapegoats.

Originally Posted by JamesM (Post 13081023)

Where is this data?

Originally Posted by JamesM (Post 13081023)

Most people I know who got covid pre-vaccine still went and got the vaccine after. Especially as two of them went to hospital.