Comments like this boil my blood.
Mar 23rd 2016, 2:47 am
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Comments like this boil my blood.
This was posted today on a local C'wack group and its not the first time someone has posted this sort of thing.
The hatred some have for the poor and what they perceive doesnt benefit them so the govt may as well not fund those programs.
Ive been banned from that group because well seems there are way too many red necks who dont like poor, disabled, homeless etc.
Just boils my blood.
"I am a realist, I pay a lot of taxes.... I would love to have low income housing for single parents and mentally/physically challenged , but we need schools, hospitals and infrastructure. Tax dollars pay for a lot.... Look at Prest road. Look at our police force .... Look at all those drivers trying to get up to promontory on two roads... those people are tax payers and they want their tax money to go to something that will benefit them. Welfare recipients took steps to get where they are and it's unreasonable to expect the tax payer to get them out when they are in need too."
Its amazing how differnt people can be out here vs where we were before.
Maybe in my old age I am becoming ultra liberal.
The hatred some have for the poor and what they perceive doesnt benefit them so the govt may as well not fund those programs.
Ive been banned from that group because well seems there are way too many red necks who dont like poor, disabled, homeless etc.
Just boils my blood.
"I am a realist, I pay a lot of taxes.... I would love to have low income housing for single parents and mentally/physically challenged , but we need schools, hospitals and infrastructure. Tax dollars pay for a lot.... Look at Prest road. Look at our police force .... Look at all those drivers trying to get up to promontory on two roads... those people are tax payers and they want their tax money to go to something that will benefit them. Welfare recipients took steps to get where they are and it's unreasonable to expect the tax payer to get them out when they are in need too."
Its amazing how differnt people can be out here vs where we were before.
Maybe in my old age I am becoming ultra liberal.
Mar 23rd 2016, 2:56 am
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Re: Comments like this boil my blood.
This was posted today on a local C'wack group and its not the first time someone has posted this sort of thing.
The hatred some have for the poor and what they perceive doesnt benefit them so the govt may as well not fund those programs.
Ive been banned from that group because well seems there are way too many red necks who dont like poor, disabled, homeless etc.
Just boils my blood.
"I am a realist, I pay a lot of taxes.... I would love to have low income housing for single parents and mentally/physically challenged , but we need schools, hospitals and infrastructure. Tax dollars pay for a lot.... Look at Prest road. Look at our police force .... Look at all those drivers trying to get up to promontory on two roads... those people are tax payers and they want their tax money to go to something that will benefit them. Welfare recipients took steps to get where they are and it's unreasonable to expect the tax payer to get them out when they are in need too."
Its amazing how differnt people can be out here vs where we were before.
Maybe in my old age I am becoming ultra liberal.
The hatred some have for the poor and what they perceive doesnt benefit them so the govt may as well not fund those programs.
Ive been banned from that group because well seems there are way too many red necks who dont like poor, disabled, homeless etc.
Just boils my blood.
"I am a realist, I pay a lot of taxes.... I would love to have low income housing for single parents and mentally/physically challenged , but we need schools, hospitals and infrastructure. Tax dollars pay for a lot.... Look at Prest road. Look at our police force .... Look at all those drivers trying to get up to promontory on two roads... those people are tax payers and they want their tax money to go to something that will benefit them. Welfare recipients took steps to get where they are and it's unreasonable to expect the tax payer to get them out when they are in need too."
Its amazing how differnt people can be out here vs where we were before.
Maybe in my old age I am becoming ultra liberal.
Mar 23rd 2016, 4:17 am
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Mar 23rd 2016, 4:18 am
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Re: Comments like this boil my blood.
This was posted today on a local C'wack group and its not the first time someone has posted this sort of thing.
The hatred some have for the poor and what they perceive doesnt benefit them so the govt may as well not fund those programs.
Ive been banned from that group because well seems there are way too many red necks who dont like poor, disabled, homeless etc.
Just boils my blood.
"I am a realist, I pay a lot of taxes.... I would love to have low income housing for single parents and mentally/physically challenged , but we need schools, hospitals and infrastructure. Tax dollars pay for a lot.... Look at Prest road. Look at our police force .... Look at all those drivers trying to get up to promontory on two roads... those people are tax payers and they want their tax money to go to something that will benefit them. Welfare recipients took steps to get where they are and it's unreasonable to expect the tax payer to get them out when they are in need too."
Its amazing how differnt people can be out here vs where we were before.
Maybe in my old age I am becoming ultra liberal.
The hatred some have for the poor and what they perceive doesnt benefit them so the govt may as well not fund those programs.
Ive been banned from that group because well seems there are way too many red necks who dont like poor, disabled, homeless etc.
Just boils my blood.
"I am a realist, I pay a lot of taxes.... I would love to have low income housing for single parents and mentally/physically challenged , but we need schools, hospitals and infrastructure. Tax dollars pay for a lot.... Look at Prest road. Look at our police force .... Look at all those drivers trying to get up to promontory on two roads... those people are tax payers and they want their tax money to go to something that will benefit them. Welfare recipients took steps to get where they are and it's unreasonable to expect the tax payer to get them out when they are in need too."
Its amazing how differnt people can be out here vs where we were before.
Maybe in my old age I am becoming ultra liberal.
Mar 23rd 2016, 12:09 pm
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Re: Comments like this boil my blood.
Up to a couple of years ago, to get any assistance with the cost of prescription drugs in NB essentially you had to be on welfare or income of that sort of level and no money in the bank.
The newspaper used to run regular articles about how every other province had "catastrophic drug" systems in place and how co-payments were minimised. You'd think there'd be some protest about the unfairness.
Not a word. Not even a petition. Sick and disabled were even blamed for not being able to afford costs.
Fast forward a couple of years and there's a modest proposal to ask wealthy seniors to pay an increased contribution to any nursing care needed.
"Wealthy" was where they had an income sufficient to make the contribution they already made AND they had over $100,000 in the bank or other investment. It wasn't even the excess over $100k that counted, just 10% of the excess.
So this proposal that had zero effect if you had less than $100k and a small effect if you had a bit more and still left $190k untouched if you had as much as $200k.
And it went hand in hand with reduced contributions from those less able to pay.
What did we see? Meetings, marches, petitions, letter writing campaigns and newspaper stories about how the government was going after seniors and seizing their assets.
And even non seniors were falling for it. "Oh those poor seniors."
That made my blood boil. The poor seniors are the ones who didn't get their contributions cut but nobody spoke for them.
I remember when social assistance rates went up here. First increase in 7 years according to the newspaper. The increase was to be staged over a couple of years so that in two years time they'd be getting 5% more than they got 9 years earlier. Did we see "About time" headlines? Any stories about "finally, an increase but they even have to wait an extra two years?" Nope.
It was all "I'd like a 5% pay rise but because I choose to work and pay taxes I can't get one."
But this is the sort of thing I see on CBC comments under news reports throughout Canada.
Why do people here always talk about tax dollars? I never heard tax pounds in the UK. People there don't object to paying taxes for benefits to anything like the extent they do in North America.
There are large protest campaigns for benefits cuts and even the current government is forced to backtrack sometimes like they just did.
Mar 23rd 2016, 1:14 pm
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Re: Comments like this boil my blood.
I'm shocked and surprised 'nice' Canadians have such attitudes. I would have thought this would be the minority view not a majority view. I expect this anti socialism attitude from USA but thought Canada was more along the European view that a little socialism actually helps build a better society.
This statement:
'Welfare recipients took steps to get where they are and it's unreasonable to expect the tax payer to get them out when they are in need too'
Is disgusting. A person born disabled or or a person who lost their job when a corporation out sourced their job to a third world country hardly caused their own problems.
People can be so disgustingly self serving.
This statement:
'Welfare recipients took steps to get where they are and it's unreasonable to expect the tax payer to get them out when they are in need too'
Is disgusting. A person born disabled or or a person who lost their job when a corporation out sourced their job to a third world country hardly caused their own problems.
People can be so disgustingly self serving.
Mar 23rd 2016, 1:44 pm
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Re: Comments like this boil my blood.
The Liberals in Tower Hamlets (London municipality) ended up somewhere to the right of the National Front, which was amusing.
Mar 23rd 2016, 3:51 pm
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Re: Comments like this boil my blood.
There can and is substantial difference in views between this area and Vancouver- Squamish region.
Out this way is very conservative and religion is high. Last I heard we have one of the highest number of churches per capita in Canada.
Further west the views tend to be more liberal and NDP and things like welfare and disability makes the news often and there are very vocal groups who defend and support those services in an attempt to get government to change course.
Take the recent changes to disability, first change in a decade but instead of just giving the disabled a raise the govt also took something away, so while approx 45k on disability come out ahead, the remaining 55k dont or just slightly better off. This got media and grope in Vancouver vocal about the changes and how skewed the govt views things and the BS spin government placed on it.
Now of course you always have the types you mention, but the views in Vancouver region by and large tend to be much more liberal and NDP leaning.
Now Squamish is very NDP leaning, and total opposite of this city...lol
Seems the more religious an area the less people care about others, seems the opposige of how it should be.
I was banned from that group where the comment was made. I was told I am too socialist and even called a communist and that if I accept god into my life he will nake sure I have a good life....
Could be worse I suppose, even though the BC Liberals are not exactly liberal they are still more down to earth then some parties would be.
I would rather give the NDP a chance but people still seem upset with them because of the 90s but then the BC Libs are going on like 16 plus year in power so change might be looming in the next election or 2.
I do think sometimes people get too caught up in taxes and budget concerns. Taxes in BC combined with federal and not even thag bad in my view vs the benefits received namely healthcare being the biggest.
My great aunt who died in her late 80s always said politicians and the public dwell on seniors too much.
She would get so mad when people would say the govt should help her more. Not that she was against the govt helping seniors its just she was financially well off and didnt see any need for help and would rather see those who needed help get it.
I do think low income low asset seniors do need help, but at the same time not all seniors are poor or low income. Being old and retired doesnt mean low income or poor.
Out this way is very conservative and religion is high. Last I heard we have one of the highest number of churches per capita in Canada.
Further west the views tend to be more liberal and NDP and things like welfare and disability makes the news often and there are very vocal groups who defend and support those services in an attempt to get government to change course.
Take the recent changes to disability, first change in a decade but instead of just giving the disabled a raise the govt also took something away, so while approx 45k on disability come out ahead, the remaining 55k dont or just slightly better off. This got media and grope in Vancouver vocal about the changes and how skewed the govt views things and the BS spin government placed on it.
Now of course you always have the types you mention, but the views in Vancouver region by and large tend to be much more liberal and NDP leaning.
Now Squamish is very NDP leaning, and total opposite of this city...lol
Seems the more religious an area the less people care about others, seems the opposige of how it should be.
I was banned from that group where the comment was made. I was told I am too socialist and even called a communist and that if I accept god into my life he will nake sure I have a good life....
Could be worse I suppose, even though the BC Liberals are not exactly liberal they are still more down to earth then some parties would be.
I would rather give the NDP a chance but people still seem upset with them because of the 90s but then the BC Libs are going on like 16 plus year in power so change might be looming in the next election or 2.
I do think sometimes people get too caught up in taxes and budget concerns. Taxes in BC combined with federal and not even thag bad in my view vs the benefits received namely healthcare being the biggest.
My great aunt who died in her late 80s always said politicians and the public dwell on seniors too much.
She would get so mad when people would say the govt should help her more. Not that she was against the govt helping seniors its just she was financially well off and didnt see any need for help and would rather see those who needed help get it.
I do think low income low asset seniors do need help, but at the same time not all seniors are poor or low income. Being old and retired doesnt mean low income or poor.
Really, you find it that different?
Up to a couple of years ago, to get any assistance with the cost of prescription drugs in NB essentially you had to be on welfare or income of that sort of level and no money in the bank.
The newspaper used to run regular articles about how every other province had "catastrophic drug" systems in place and how co-payments were minimised. You'd think there'd be some protest about the unfairness.
Not a word. Not even a petition. Sick and disabled were even blamed for not being able to afford costs.
Fast forward a couple of years and there's a modest proposal to ask wealthy seniors to pay an increased contribution to any nursing care needed.
"Wealthy" was where they had an income sufficient to make the contribution they already made AND they had over $100,000 in the bank or other investment. It wasn't even the excess over $100k that counted, just 10% of the excess.
So this proposal that had zero effect if you had less than $100k and a small effect if you had a bit more and still left $190k untouched if you had as much as $200k.
And it went hand in hand with reduced contributions from those less able to pay.
What did we see? Meetings, marches, petitions, letter writing campaigns and newspaper stories about how the government was going after seniors and seizing their assets.
And even non seniors were falling for it. "Oh those poor seniors."
That made my blood boil. The poor seniors are the ones who didn't get their contributions cut but nobody spoke for them.
I remember when social assistance rates went up here. First increase in 7 years according to the newspaper. The increase was to be staged over a couple of years so that in two years time they'd be getting 5% more than they got 9 years earlier. Did we see "About time" headlines? Any stories about "finally, an increase but they even have to wait an extra two years?" Nope.
It was all "I'd like a 5% pay rise but because I choose to work and pay taxes I can't get one."
But this is the sort of thing I see on CBC comments under news reports throughout Canada.
Why do people here always talk about tax dollars? I never heard tax pounds in the UK. People there don't object to paying taxes for benefits to anything like the extent they do in North America.
There are large protest campaigns for benefits cuts and even the current government is forced to backtrack sometimes like they just did.
Up to a couple of years ago, to get any assistance with the cost of prescription drugs in NB essentially you had to be on welfare or income of that sort of level and no money in the bank.
The newspaper used to run regular articles about how every other province had "catastrophic drug" systems in place and how co-payments were minimised. You'd think there'd be some protest about the unfairness.
Not a word. Not even a petition. Sick and disabled were even blamed for not being able to afford costs.
Fast forward a couple of years and there's a modest proposal to ask wealthy seniors to pay an increased contribution to any nursing care needed.
"Wealthy" was where they had an income sufficient to make the contribution they already made AND they had over $100,000 in the bank or other investment. It wasn't even the excess over $100k that counted, just 10% of the excess.
So this proposal that had zero effect if you had less than $100k and a small effect if you had a bit more and still left $190k untouched if you had as much as $200k.
And it went hand in hand with reduced contributions from those less able to pay.
What did we see? Meetings, marches, petitions, letter writing campaigns and newspaper stories about how the government was going after seniors and seizing their assets.
And even non seniors were falling for it. "Oh those poor seniors."
That made my blood boil. The poor seniors are the ones who didn't get their contributions cut but nobody spoke for them.
I remember when social assistance rates went up here. First increase in 7 years according to the newspaper. The increase was to be staged over a couple of years so that in two years time they'd be getting 5% more than they got 9 years earlier. Did we see "About time" headlines? Any stories about "finally, an increase but they even have to wait an extra two years?" Nope.
It was all "I'd like a 5% pay rise but because I choose to work and pay taxes I can't get one."
But this is the sort of thing I see on CBC comments under news reports throughout Canada.
Why do people here always talk about tax dollars? I never heard tax pounds in the UK. People there don't object to paying taxes for benefits to anything like the extent they do in North America.
There are large protest campaigns for benefits cuts and even the current government is forced to backtrack sometimes like they just did.
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Mar 23rd 2016, 5:00 pm
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Re: Comments like this boil my blood.
When someone in the community - wherever it is - has someone in the family ill and treatment isn't available locally or whatever and major expenses or loss of earnings are involved in dealing with it, it's heart-warming to see the support from the community. Fund-raising, transportation, equipment donated or whatever.
But why the flip don't they put as much effort in to make the government do something to make sure people aren't faced with financial ruin in the first place?
Extend medicare to cover prescriptions. Have a benefit to cover earnings loss. Have an allowance of some sort to meet travel costs and other expenses for family situations like this.
The UK does it. So could Canada.
Mar 23rd 2016, 5:17 pm
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Re: Comments like this boil my blood.
There was a lady locally selling various items she owned so she could pay for transportation to get to Vancouver for her cancer treatment.
I know there are various groups who can sometimes find a volunteer driver for cancer patients but it doesnt always seem possible to find one and well a lot of people with cancer cant work and making them drive 100km or more to get treatment and then cover all the costs to get there while not working is wrong.
My mom in the US when she had cancer in 2003 her insurance company even provided transportation coverage but here we seem to expect sick people to just figure it out.
Unless you live in a big city in Canada, medical transportation costs can really add up.
I know there are various groups who can sometimes find a volunteer driver for cancer patients but it doesnt always seem possible to find one and well a lot of people with cancer cant work and making them drive 100km or more to get treatment and then cover all the costs to get there while not working is wrong.
My mom in the US when she had cancer in 2003 her insurance company even provided transportation coverage but here we seem to expect sick people to just figure it out.
Unless you live in a big city in Canada, medical transportation costs can really add up.
It probably is. Just a bigger minority than one would hope for.
When someone in the community - wherever it is - has someone in the family ill and treatment isn't available locally or whatever and major expenses or loss of earnings are involved in dealing with it, it's heart-warming to see the support from the community. Fund-raising, transportation, equipment donated or whatever.
But why the flip don't they put as much effort in to make the government do something to make sure people aren't faced with financial ruin in the first place?
Extend medicare to cover prescriptions. Have a benefit to cover earnings loss. Have an allowance of some sort to meet travel costs and other expenses for family situations like this.
The UK does it. So could Canada.
When someone in the community - wherever it is - has someone in the family ill and treatment isn't available locally or whatever and major expenses or loss of earnings are involved in dealing with it, it's heart-warming to see the support from the community. Fund-raising, transportation, equipment donated or whatever.
But why the flip don't they put as much effort in to make the government do something to make sure people aren't faced with financial ruin in the first place?
Extend medicare to cover prescriptions. Have a benefit to cover earnings loss. Have an allowance of some sort to meet travel costs and other expenses for family situations like this.
The UK does it. So could Canada.
Mar 23rd 2016, 5:22 pm
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Re: Comments like this boil my blood.
What a very interesting thread - most enoyable....it I had my karma button, I'd use it, but I'm still having problems.
Anyway 
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Mar 23rd 2016, 6:55 pm
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Re: Comments like this boil my blood.
Regrettably we live in 'what's in it for me' a society, not just Canada. Often folks who 'pay taxes', when the chips are down, are the first ones in line for hand outs. Also though, we have those who know how to manipulate the welfare system, who are equally (maybe more responsible) denying those in need what they should get. Politicians never will put more than a symbolic amount of effort into any segment of society that does not generate support for the politicians. The more votes they can count on, the more influence.
Welfare enforcement catches some, but the ones who really know how to work it manage to stay a jump ahead. We need a better system to catch false claimants.
What I also find astounding is the horrendous waste of money going into church buildings, just so a few folks can have a sing-song once a week and wave their hands in the air.
What's the forum you went on? Maybe I could go on there and stir the pot for a while, until I get banned of course.
Welfare enforcement catches some, but the ones who really know how to work it manage to stay a jump ahead. We need a better system to catch false claimants.
What I also find astounding is the horrendous waste of money going into church buildings, just so a few folks can have a sing-song once a week and wave their hands in the air.
What's the forum you went on? Maybe I could go on there and stir the pot for a while, until I get banned of course.
Mar 23rd 2016, 7:01 pm
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What I also find astounding is the horrendous waste of money going into church buildings, just so a few folks can have a sing-song once a week and wave their hands in the air.
What's the forum you went on? Maybe I could go on there and stir the pot for a while, until I get banned of course.
Mar 24th 2016, 5:18 pm
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Re: Comments like this boil my blood.
I as a tax payer (a lot as I live in NB....) fully support social programs that help people in less fortunate circumstances whether that be physical, mental or financial.
The only bone that I would pick with the current system is that you have too many people (on this coast at least) who have little genuine interest in working. They will do enough to get EI for the rest of the year. There should be tighter controls on those who are frequent flyers. Perhaps increasing contributions for those who are drawing above a certain amount?
The only bone that I would pick with the current system is that you have too many people (on this coast at least) who have little genuine interest in working. They will do enough to get EI for the rest of the year. There should be tighter controls on those who are frequent flyers. Perhaps increasing contributions for those who are drawing above a certain amount?