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Old Mar 7th 2011 | 4:40 am
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Originally Posted by Cookie
Had to laugh when you said you had more than enough money in the account when you wrote the cheque - the money has to always be there until the cheque is cashed. I am sending you in front of Judge Judy
Oh please, not that.

Originally Posted by Almost Canadian
Do you normally request that organizations make payments to you for no particular reason?
No. And that's something else I did not say. What I said was that when something similar had happened previously, the charge had been refunded and the bank chose to make a goodwill gesture.

You are a lawyer, right?

Your suggestion that the bank or school reimburse you for fees that you incurred pursuant to a contract led me to believe that you thought it was fault of another.
So you missed the three previous comments from me admitting my responsibility. tsk tsk.

I apologize for my lack of speed. I can see now that you do want money for nothing.
Not quite right. I'm actualy not wanting to lose money. I'm not a lawyer, but I know the difference.

Whatever happened to "good faith"?

Originally Posted by Jingsamichty
Bristol, if you're not blaming the bank, or the school, then why did you say in your opening post that you'd basically expect the bank to refund the penalty charges and pay a wee bit extra as goodwill?
Again....I did not say I expected that. I said that previously it had turned out that way.

Originally Posted by jimf
Out of the blue BT sent me a final demand for 15 GBP the other day. When I checked the records it was correct because they'd done a credit wrongly when the account was closed but then they never sent a proper bill for 18 months just a final demand. I said I didn't think it was reasonable to pay at this stage - she went to check with her manager and said they would waive the charge.

There's no harm in asking depending on the situation.
Exactly.

Originally Posted by Alan2005
Bristol, you screwed up - you can't pass the buck to anyone else. But I really see no harm in asking the bank as a customer of normally good standing to overlook the mistake just this once. I'd do just that in your circumstances - what's the worst that can happen?
Judge Judy?

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Old Mar 7th 2011 | 4:41 am
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Originally Posted by jimf
Anyone know the length of time a personal cheque is valid for in Canada? Does it vary from bank to bank? I've heard 180 days or 6 months mentioned before but never seen anything "official" anywhere.
6 months

When is a cheque considered stale-dated, and is it no longer valid after that point?
Under CPA Rule A4, Section 23, a cheque is considered stale-dated after six months, unless it has been certified. Although it may be returned through the clearing for that reason, there is no obligation to do so, and the payor’s financial institution may still accept it as a valid payment item. An institution accepting a cheque that is dated more than six months earlier may choose to contact the payor’s financial institution to confirm whether the cheque will still be accepted

http://www.cdnpay.ca/imis15/eng/FAQs...12a9a894b#bm07
 
Old Mar 7th 2011 | 5:15 am
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Originally Posted by iaink
When is a cheque considered stale-dated, and is it no longer valid after that point?
Under CPA Rule A4, Section 23, a cheque is considered stale-dated after six months, unless it has been certified. Although it may be returned through the clearing for that reason, there is no obligation to do so, and the payor’s financial institution may still accept it as a valid payment item. An institution accepting a cheque that is dated more than six months earlier may choose to contact the payor’s financial institution to confirm whether the cheque will still be accepted



To me that suggests the cheque could be processed for payment as there is no obligation to return the cheque through clearing on the basis of date and the bank may accept it as valid payment.

There are a number of cheques I've written that I suspect have been forgotten about or lost but there are also some that were written on the agreed understanding that they might or might not be presented. Eg part of scouts annual fee paid in three post dated cheques which are only presented if the boys don't participate in fund raising or the fundraising isn't successful enough. If I ask the scout leader to return these cheques he's going to think I'm a right t**t. Sounds like I'll have to contact the bank direct to check what their policy is and get it in writing. It shouldn't be necessary to cancel a cheque in this situation.
 
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I suspect that should one get cashed after 6 months you would be able to argue with the bank about having it and any fees rescinded.

Before 6 months you have your work cut out.
 
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Originally Posted by BristolUK
But there was money in the account to cover the cheque. 7 times as much when the the cheque was written. And then a series of further deposits increased that to 18 times the amount

It doesn't matter how much is in there when you wrote the check, or how high the balance got in between writing it, the only balance that matters is the balance in the account when the check is presented for payment.
 
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Originally Posted by Jsmth321
It doesn't matter how much is in there when you wrote the check, or how high the balance got in between writing it, the only balance that matters is the balance in the account when the check is presented for payment.
Yes, I realise that.

Tell you what...any volunteers to send me a cheque...not too much....say $100.

I'll keep them all for different periods, maybe the full six months and then I'll deposit them.

Then we'll see how many people forgot about it with all the activity on their accounts since.

If I'm the only imperfect individual out of, say, 20, I'll pay all the costs.

 
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I have to say that if I had done such a dumb thing I would have kept quiet about it and not posted my stupidity on here.
 
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not sure about the schools bank in your case but the bank i have to deal with as treasurer of a local club charges $7 for the nsf-notification to the club when a cheque bounces.

our policy is to get the fee back from the person who triggered the message and fee.
 
Old Mar 7th 2011 | 12:22 pm
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Originally Posted by Simon Legree
I have to say that if I had done such a dumb thing I would have kept quiet about it and not posted my stupidity on here.
But self deprecation is a Brit thing isn't it?

Originally Posted by lof
our policy is to get the fee back from the person who triggered the message and fee.
I think that's standard.

My policy is to bank a cheque when I receive one.
 
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Originally Posted by BristolUK
Yes, I realise that.

Tell you what...any volunteers to send me a cheque...not too much....say $100.

I'll keep them all for different periods, maybe the full six months and then I'll deposit them.

Then we'll see how many people forgot about it with all the activity on their accounts since.

If I'm the only imperfect individual out of, say, 20, I'll pay all the costs.

Has it occurred to you that you might be the only individual out of say 20, who would even notice?
 
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Originally Posted by Novocastrian
Has it occurred to you that you might be the only individual out of say 20, who would even notice?
You mean because so many people are so well off that their bank balances wouldn't fall low enough for timing to be an issue? Of course I have.
 
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Originally Posted by BristolUK
You mean because so many people are so well off that their bank balances wouldn't fall low enough for timing to be an issue? Of course I have.
Having a bank account that usually contains at least $100 doesn't make you "well off". Well maybe compared to those who don't I suppose.
 
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Originally Posted by BristolUK
My policy is to bank a cheque when I receive one.
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which was less than a week from the date on the cheque and two days after i got it in one particular case...

my point probably was that i'd consider myself lucky to be charged only by my own bank and not paying the other bank charge and an administration fee charged by the organisation the cheque was payable to on top of it. (unless that's the $40 fee you were talking about in your original post...)



* MY personal policy is to have at least as much money on my account than i have outstanding in cheques and upcoming online payments at any given time...
 
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Originally Posted by lof
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i'd consider myself lucky to be charged only by my own bank and not paying the other bank charge and an administration fee charged by the organisation the cheque was payable to on top of it. (unless that's the $40 fee you were talking about in your original post...)
That may well happen yet. It's March break so the school hasn't really had chance to pick up on it yet.



* MY personal policy is to have at least as much money on my account than i have outstanding in cheques and upcoming online payments at any given time...
As someone who learns lessons, that will be my policy from now on too.

But for the once or twice a year I write a cheque, a spread sheet or buying a program is a sledgehammer to crack a nut.

I already keep a note of credit card statemet dates. I'll just add a note about the cheque to that. Even if 7 out of 8 times so far it wasn't necessary.
 
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Originally Posted by Alan2005
Having a bank account that usually contains at least $100 doesn't make you "well off". Well maybe compared to those who don't I suppose.
That reminds me of the poster who said he wasn't well off because he couldn't afford half a dozen of the houses someone gave links to.

Those he could afford were in the range of $750,000 and $1.5m.
 


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