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Old Apr 29th 2019, 10:28 pm
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That's just socialism dressed up as an eco-policy!
Which is what the Feds appear to be proposing.
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Old Apr 30th 2019, 12:56 am
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I believe that, despite the fact that Alberta has had a carbon tax for some years now, its carbon use has increased.
BC is a commonly cited success story: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Britis...bia_carbon_tax

All I've found so far about AB is that the tax has only been in place since 2015 and there's been a lot of bickering about what to do with the revenue; no per capita figures for pollutant emissions.

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I appreciate that it would require some joined up thinking, which is exactly why it cannot be left to politicians to implement.
The only alternative I've seen proposed so far is lots of legislation, ban this, restrict access to that. Who, if not the politicians, would implement these laws?
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Gas companies seem to be on a mission to get people out of cars with the way they are pricing now.

Carbon tax went up 1 cent but prices 20 cents so yeah that 20 cent increase likely did more then the carbon tax has done.

Just would like better transit so I could stop driving. Gas is such a waste of money in my view but transit needs to improve.

Can't do anything about how housing is insulated or windows or hear source as a renter.

Question is can we have a modern life and reduce carbon low enough to make a difference?
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BC is a commonly cited success story: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Britis...bia_carbon_tax

All I've found so far about AB is that the tax has only been in place since 2015 and there's been a lot of bickering about what to do with the revenue; no per capita figures for pollutant emissions.
That article seems to suggest that the effect has only been a very small reduction although I appreciate that, when compared to the rest of Canada, it could be argued that it has been a success.

In the recent election, there was lots of talk about the fact that, despite the fact that Alberta's carbon tax has been in place, its use of carbon has increased.
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The only alternative I've seen proposed so far is lots of legislation, ban this, restrict access to that. Who, if not the politicians, would implement these laws?
The population of the world are the only ones that are going to be able to effect change. As a result of the fact that, in most democracies, politicians are afraid to make the difficult decisions because of how it will affect their popularity, it cannot be left to them to sort the issue out. If people have to rely upon laws to persuade them as to what is sensible, they deserve all that happens to them.
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Gas companies seem to be on a mission to get people out of cars with the way they are pricing now.

Carbon tax went up 1 cent but prices 20 cents so yeah that 20 cent increase likely did more then the carbon tax has done.

Just would like better transit so I could stop driving. Gas is such a waste of money in my view but transit needs to improve.

Can't do anything about how housing is insulated or windows or hear source as a renter.

Question is can we have a modern life and reduce carbon low enough to make a difference?
Canada produces 2% of the world Carbon, even if we all just stopped heating, cooling and driving what or how would 2% help? We would be poster boys for change but would everyone follow, I do t think so just yet
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Canada produces 2% of the world Carbon, even if we all just stopped heating, cooling and driving what or how would 2% help? We would be poster boys for change but would everyone follow, I do t think so just yet
Isn't China the actual poster boy for change? Massive carbon consumption being replaced by huge wind and solar farms. It's not a matter of Canada leading but of Canada joining in. Anyway, no one is asking that heating, cooling and driving, stop; just get rid of snowmobiles and jet skis and we're halfway there.
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The population of the world are the only ones that are going to be able to effect change. As a result of the fact that, in most democracies, politicians are afraid to make the difficult decisions because of how it will affect their popularity, it cannot be left to them to sort the issue out.
This is perilously close to painting Trudeau as a man of principal.
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This is perilously close to painting Trudeau as a man of principal.
If he set the price of carbon at $200 a tonne, I would agree with you.

I believe the climate experts are telling us that time is of the essence. I believe that the experts are saying that, to have the desired effect, $200 a tonne is required. Canada is nowhere near imposing such a price.
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Got my rebate, wondering what the best method of spending it, that involves increasing my carbon output would be
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Got my rebate, wondering what the best method of spending it, that involves increasing my carbon output would be
Four gallons and a box of matches?
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Old Jan 24th 2020, 4:58 pm
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In the Globe and Mail today....simplistic example

Brendan Frank, at the nonpartisan Ecofiscal Commission, illustrates this with an example: A commuter drives to work most days, but occasionally takes public transit. You raise the price of gas a little bit (the government estimates about 4 cents a litre to start), and suddenly driving just becomes a little bit more expensive. So the commuter starts taking public transit more often to save money. At tax time, they’re paid back and, by the government’s calculations, should have as much or more money than they started with – but by taking transit more, and driving less, they’ve created less pollution.

The point of the program is to create and slightly escalate that pain at the pump. Giving you the money back afterwards just makes it politically palatable. For the Liberals, it’s in the name of their program: It’s not a tax credit or rebate, it’s a “climate action incentive payment." They are trying to incentivize one action over another. Whether it will work remains to be seen.
So, we did quite well last year in our house, 4 adults all getting $128 each.

NB has now decided to implement a carbo tax plan and the feds have agreed it. I remember reading that the NB government would decide how to distribute the income and they have apparently decided to 'offset' by reducing the excise tax. Overall it means a tiny increase but apparently enough to satisfy the Federal government.

So that's the incentive as so well described in Ann M's post thrown away then. Essentially there's been a temporary increase and it's now going to seem like the price has gone down so everyone can start "filling up" again.
Under Ottawa's plan, the price must rise again in April 2021 and 2022. To stay in compliance, New Brunswick will have to increase its price as well.
But this will likely not be noticed given the regular fluctuations in price anyway.

I'm not complaining that we've 'lost' the money (after all, none of us are drivers) I just thought they might have redistributed in a way that didn't negate the whole principle behind it.




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Old Jan 24th 2020, 7:03 pm
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BC as previously stated has had a carbon tax since 2008 (although people do like to blame the NDP for it, when it was BC Liberals who did it) and really except when the tax goes up and gas companies jack the price up 20 cents because carbon tax went up 1 cent, most other products and services the tax is so buried into the product its impossible to know how much you end up paying for certain. Gas is one of the easiest though, and high prices do reduce driving and transit see's increases in ridership, although our transit can't handle current capacity so its a fine line to walk.

Looks like I get 154.50 per year total for BC Climate Action Tax Credit, its not paid all at once, so breaks down to $38.62 every quarter, its issued at the same time as GST credits.

If you have kids they add an extra $45.50 per child each year unless single parent family where then the first kid gets 154.50 per year.

Now no clue if this covers all the added costs we may pay because of the carbon tax, really impossible to know.

When BC started it in 2008, they said it would be revenue neutral and at this point any party who tries to get rid of the credit will see their government fall, so doubt any part dare do it.

BC has their own program and first in Canada so we didn't have to do anything when Ottawa decided to impose one nationwide, BC was already a step ahead so nothing changed here.


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