Canada to ban sales of conventional cars by 2035 - Trudeau
#61
Re: Canada to ban sales of conventional cars by 2035 - Trudeau
If you live rurally in the UK, infrastructure makes the purchase of an EV impractical. A 20+ mile round trip to recharge at a low voltage rate and subsequent multi-hour wait (assuming the charger isn't already in use), is hardly appealing. With no off-street parking or streetlighting for infrastructure to potentially piggy-back off for the convenience of overnight charging, an EV makes no sense.
There are more car chargers in the UK than petrol stations, it's really not an issue here.
Last edited by christmasoompa; Jul 12th 2021 at 9:30 am.
#63
Re: Canada to ban sales of conventional cars by 2035 - Trudeau
I live rurally in the UK, and we have had two EV's for years. Granted, we have a charger on our driveway but I rarely use it anyway, and I can't see why most people would need to make a special trip to recharge. I tend to do it when I'm running around in my daily life and most of it is for free - charge at school whilst waiting to pick kids up, charge at supermarket whilst doing the weekly shop etc. Yesterday I charged at Ikea whilst I bought shelves. Hubby charges whilst at work or at the train station.
There are more car chargers in the UK than petrol stations, it's really not an issue here.
There are more car chargers in the UK than petrol stations, it's really not an issue here.
Those of us that don't commute to urban areas have no option but to make special trips to recharge - that's inconvenient and burns electricity just for the sake of recharging with more electricity.
#64
Re: Canada to ban sales of conventional cars by 2035 - Trudeau
If you're looking at just charging stations then you might think it would be a problem, but what about all the chargers at shops, schools, sports clubs, etc, etc - not to mention people's driveways. So many people let others use their driveway charger (including us) that not having your own driveway isn't necessarily an issue.
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#66
Re: Canada to ban sales of conventional cars by 2035 - Trudeau
I often had to wait in line to refuel at our local petrol station. Or I'd get to it and find I couldn't refuel at all because the tankers were in it and it was closed, causing an absolute panic as we have no other petrol stations near us. It's actually been easier for me to charge my car than to refuel it. If you live rurally (I personally don't think 80+ houses on a street is rural, surely that's at least a village if not a town?), then I don't see how an EV would be any more problematic with petrol stations generally gathered around towns or major roads.
Most people drive somewhere (otherwise, why would they need a car!), so why can't they just charge whilst shopping, taking kids to activities, etc etc? The only time I ever need to go to an actual charging station is when I'm driving hundreds of miles, otherwise it's just part of my daily running around.
If you're looking at just charging stations then you might think it would be a problem, but what about all the chargers at shops, schools, sports clubs, etc, etc - not to mention people's driveways. So many people let others use their driveway charger (including us) that not having your own driveway isn't necessarily an issue.
#67
Re: Canada to ban sales of conventional cars by 2035 - Trudeau
You're right, but not everybody has your lifestyle either. I thought we were just amicably exchanging views based on our own personal circumstances? My guess is that most people would have a lifestyle similar to mine i.e. lots of shorter journeys to places where they can charge (often for free) whilst they run their errands, rather than driving hundreds of miles every week and not wanting to stop.
Last edited by christmasoompa; Jul 12th 2021 at 12:00 pm.
#69
Re: Canada to ban sales of conventional cars by 2035 - Trudeau
According to the charge station map thingamajig, there are 18 public charging stations in Red Deer. Each one of them would be a trip out of my way to use. They according to the links I have managed to find cost on average $15 an hour to charge ( level 3). It's currently costing me about 12 bucks a week to run my mini. It will do about 550 kms to a tank. So far it makes zero sense to go the ev route.
#70
Re: Canada to ban sales of conventional cars by 2035 - Trudeau
According to the charge station map thingamajig, there are 18 public charging stations in Red Deer. Each one of them would be a trip out of my way to use. They according to the links I have managed to find cost on average $15 an hour to charge ( level 3). It's currently costing me about 12 bucks a week to run my mini. It will do about 550 kms to a tank. So far it makes zero sense to go the ev route.
Last edited by christmasoompa; Jul 13th 2021 at 8:59 am.
#71
Re: Canada to ban sales of conventional cars by 2035 - Trudeau
That is rubbish. Do they not have free community type chargers in places like shopping centre car parks etc like they do in the UK? I guess it's just such a massive country that putting the infrastructure in place is a nightmare, but seems odd that they're planning on banning ICE's by 2035 without at least a half decent system already.
#72
Re: Canada to ban sales of conventional cars by 2035 - Trudeau
That is rubbish. Do they not have free community type chargers in places like shopping centre car parks etc like they do in the UK? I guess it's just such a massive country that putting the infrastructure in place is a nightmare, but seems odd that they're planning on banning ICE's by 2035 without at least a half decent system already.
Ones I have personally noticed are the 4 Tesla ones at one of the big hotels and there is one at the slightly bigger mall. None of the supermarkets have them. There is another bank of Tesla ones on Gas Alley that I have driven past. Add in the lack of trains it makes it really hard to get on the green transport band wagon.
#73
Re: Canada to ban sales of conventional cars by 2035 - Trudeau
https://www.castanet.net/news/Writer...ehicle-skeptic
This just showed up on the Red Deer News and Area page. I havevonly glanced at it as I'm supposed to be walking my doggy.
This just showed up on the Red Deer News and Area page. I havevonly glanced at it as I'm supposed to be walking my doggy.
#74
Re: Canada to ban sales of conventional cars by 2035 - Trudeau
What do I know, I only live here The nearest small town for shopping/groceries etc is 17 miles away. There's no other amenities for 8 miles. What's your definition of rural UK life?
#75
Re: Canada to ban sales of conventional cars by 2035 - Trudeau
EV's are an imperfect interim solution to solving vehicular pollution. Tail pipe emissions may be greener, but battery/electricity manufacture and supply isn't currently sustainable to replace the world's ICE fleet. Purchase costs are too high for the majority too - at 20 months old, with 18,000 miles driven, an EV costs £25,000 as an average sale price. That's well over £10k more than the average equivalent used ICE vehicle that's sold off a dealer's lot. The gap between what somebody has to pay for an EV or even a hybrid equivalent and a petrol or diesel car is currently so vast it's hard to see things changing quickly.
FWIW my job's in the automotive world, and global manufacturers don't see the situation above any differently - they produce EVs because of legislation and incentives, not necessarily because they're seen as the holy grail to help solve climate change. Hydrogen paste and synfuels are equally important areas of research to them.
Last edited by R I C H; Jul 13th 2021 at 3:56 pm.