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Old Mar 20th 2010 | 11:47 pm
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Originally Posted by Piff Poff
We do have a laywer looking into the situation as another lawyer in her office has had this happen to another of her clients, it's looking bleak though as it's a case of no proof we asked about it. It's just a bit of a mess....Don't think I'll have my Alaskan Cruise for my 40th next year now

Stand outside the branch with a placard telling people how you have been treating. I am pretty sure it won't be long before they are being more sensible.

Have you tried the ombudsman ?
 
Old Mar 21st 2010 | 6:24 am
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Stand outside the branch with a placard telling people how you have been treating. I am pretty sure it won't be long before they are being more sensible.

Have you tried the ombudsman ?
I will look at the link and see if it can be any help - thank you. We just feel so stupid, we had no idea the figures were as high as they are, we just thought well, we know we owe X amount, we'll just pay it when they find it, but it's XXXX amount and now we have to sell our dream home just to ba able to afford to pay them back, we went to the dream home yesterday to get my Spitfire, it made us really sad. We know it will take forever to sell it so we are half hoping we get to use it this summer
 
Old Mar 22nd 2010 | 1:26 am
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Originally Posted by Piff Poff
I will look at the link and see if it can be any help - thank you. We just feel so stupid, we had no idea the figures were as high as they are, we just thought well, we know we owe X amount, we'll just pay it when they find it, but it's XXXX amount and now we have to sell our dream home just to ba able to afford to pay them back, we went to the dream home yesterday to get my Spitfire, it made us really sad. We know it will take forever to sell it so we are half hoping we get to use it this summer
Sorry, this makes it sound like you knew that you had been overpaid but choose not to say anything about it until you were found out. I may sound harsh but, in light of this, I have little sympathy for your situation.
 
Old Mar 22nd 2010 | 1:44 am
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Sorry, this makes it sound like you knew that you had been overpaid but choose not to say anything about it until you were found out. I may sound harsh but, in light of this, I have little sympathy for your situation.
We THOUGHT we had been overpaid, we THOUGHT the bank had made a mistake which is WHY we questioned it in the first place and left the money untouched for a year and questioned them again before we dipped into it we also THOUGHT it was a quarter of the amount it realistically is therefore making it unpayabale in our current situation.

I feel we have been scammed into using money we didn't have therefore owing money we wouldn't have owed and having to pay interest over the next ten years we wouldn't have had to pay, we will also be selling our dream home at a loss to try and make payments, we also obtained a mortgage we may not have initially been given due to this money, it's all a effing nightmare but at the end of the day you should be able to trust what a bank and a lawyer tells you especially when you question it more than once. When you keep being told the same answer on something your not sure about and your asking proffessionals what are you supposed to do? My biggest beef about all this is the time it took for the bank to realise their mistake FOUR effing years FOUR!

If the bank or the lawyer had looked into it when we initially asked or when we asked the second and third times,we would have paid off the amount by now and not spent OH's inheritance on buying a second home and building garages and decks on it.:curse:

I don't need sympathy from a cyber probably never will meet ever person, I just want someone out there to remember this story when they have a query about financial matters they are not too sure about.
 
Old Mar 22nd 2010 | 2:34 am
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We THOUGHT we had been overpaid, we THOUGHT the bank had made a mistake which is WHY we questioned it in the first place and left the money untouched for a year and questioned them again before we dipped into it we also THOUGHT it was a quarter of the amount it realistically is therefore making it unpayabale in our current situation.

I feel we have been scammed into using money we didn't have therefore owing money we wouldn't have owed and having to pay interest over the next ten years we wouldn't have had to pay, we will also be selling our dream home at a loss to try and make payments, we also obtained a mortgage we may not have initially been given due to this money, it's all a effing nightmare but at the end of the day you should be able to trust what a bank and a lawyer tells you especially when you question it more than once. When you keep being told the same answer on something your not sure about and your asking proffessionals what are you supposed to do? My biggest beef about all this is the time it took for the bank to realise their mistake FOUR effing years FOUR!

If the bank or the lawyer had looked into it when we initially asked or when we asked the second and third times,we would have paid off the amount by now and not spent OH's inheritance on buying a second home and building garages and decks on it.:curse:

I don't need sympathy from a cyber probably never will meet ever person, I just want someone out there to remember this story when they have a query about financial matters they are not too sure about.
OK. Has anyone explained the provisions of the Limitations Act to you? Normally, one has to issue proceedings within 2 years of a cause of action failing which the potential action becomes statute barred and the creditor can take no action against the debtor. Before you start winding up your life, it may be worth speaking to a lawyer about this. Don't go for the cheapest "jack of all trades" type. Speak to a litigation specialist.

I would offer to help but you have obviously taken objection to what I stated above. I wish you all the best.
 
Old Mar 22nd 2010 | 3:01 am
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I agree completely.

Going strictly on what you've said, you should make the bank drag you into court, where they can explain exactly why it took them so long to realise their mistake, then see how much responsibility for the mistake the judge puts onto them.

If you have all your queries and their assurances as evidence, the judge would surely consider that their are at least partly responsible.
 
Old Mar 22nd 2010 | 3:35 am
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Originally Posted by Mr Lee
Not been on here for ages but I thought I'd make an appearance for my customary moan.

Tell me. Is it just me or is this country full of companies/organisations/individuals looking to rip you off at every opportunity?

My latest discovery is the "non-profit" organisation we signed up with for an RESP for my son.

Now typically, we were very naive - new to the country, unsure of how things work here, etc. - but a woman referred to us by the bleedin' "Welcome Wagon" came and told us that signing up for one of these with her company would ensure our child's future was in safe hands.

I've just managed to get a statement from them.

We've "deposited" somewhere in the region of $2,000.

Currently our "net contributions" are approx. $400. The rest is swallowed up by "fees".

Now we're obviously kicking ourselves over this - should have read the small print, investigated further, etc, etc, but how many people, new to Canada, with a small baby are able to do that?

Add to that the rip off baby photographer (another Welcome Wagon scam - who fortunately we saw coming a mile off and so didn't waste any money with), the energy "marketers" who have suckered us and thousands of other gullible and uninformed consumers into paying way too much for our gas, the rampant trade in bank card skimming (our accounts have been compromised three times in the last two years alone. I don't know anybody who this hasn't happened to here), warranty restrictions, the "buyer beware" culture... I feel like I don't know who to trust any more.

Plus of course, there's Canadian Tire...
"Financial services" have become big business in many countries and it is a minefield out there. There are plenty of horror stories coming out of the UK regarding fees eradicating pensions, etc. and financial products being misrepresented.

http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/pension...5&in_page_id=6

For purchases, I use cash or a credit card and always withdraw the cash from inside the bank. On top of that, I never do business at the door or over the phone. I even get dubious emails, which I promptly delete, that tell me something is to my advantage if I send them certain information. I had my credit card scammed for $5000 but was let off the hook because I just signed an Affidavit stating that I never made the purchase.

Most banks give a guarantee that the money in an account will be refunded if the account is compromised, as long as certain conditions are complied with.

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Old Mar 22nd 2010 | 12:57 pm
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Originally Posted by Mr Lee
Not been on here for ages but I thought I'd make an appearance for my customary moan.

Tell me. Is it just me or is this country full of companies/organisations/individuals looking to rip you off at every opportunity?

My latest discovery is the "non-profit" organisation we signed up with for an RESP for my son.

Now typically, we were very naive - new to the country, unsure of how things work here, etc. - but a woman referred to us by the bleedin' "Welcome Wagon" came and told us that signing up for one of these with her company would ensure our child's future was in safe hands.

I've just managed to get a statement from them.

We've "deposited" somewhere in the region of $2,000.

Currently our "net contributions" are approx. $400. The rest is swallowed up by "fees".

Now we're obviously kicking ourselves over this - should have read the small print, investigated further, etc, etc, but how many people, new to Canada, with a small baby are able to do that?

Add to that the rip off baby photographer (another Welcome Wagon scam - who fortunately we saw coming a mile off and so didn't waste any money with), the energy "marketers" who have suckered us and thousands of other gullible and uninformed consumers into paying way too much for our gas, the rampant trade in bank card skimming (our accounts have been compromised three times in the last two years alone. I don't know anybody who this hasn't happened to here), warranty restrictions, the "buyer beware" culture... I feel like I don't know who to trust any more.

Plus of course, there's Canadian Tire...




yeah, no offense and I'm sorry you got ripped off but rather than "Canada = Scam Central," you just sound gullible and like they saw you coming a mile off.
 
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Originally Posted by Auld Yin
The situations described are not Canadian phenomena. Fraudsters used to come to your front door to scam you but now the money is in your debit/credit card so that's where they go to do their dirty work. Debit/credit card skimming is active in the UK and probably everywhere in the world. Canada is no more Scam Central than is the UK, USA, Oz etc, etc, etc and forever.


exactly...
 
Old Mar 22nd 2010 | 2:12 pm
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OK. Has anyone explained the provisions of the Limitations Act to you? Normally, one has to issue proceedings within 2 years of a cause of action failing which the potential action becomes statute barred and the creditor can take no action against the debtor. Before you start winding up your life, it may be worth speaking to a lawyer about this. Don't go for the cheapest "jack of all trades" type. Speak to a litigation specialist.

I would offer to help but you have obviously taken objection to what I stated above. I wish you all the best.
We have spoken to a lawyer, she said there were two years from when the bank realised there was an error for action and she said that they could just say they had only just realised there was a problem last week so basically we had no chance. But from reading the ombudsmen thing on litigation it says something about 2 years from when the bank OUGHT to have known there was a mistake.

Your right I did take offense earlier, we had a sad weekend after visiting the house and I was probably feeling a little more sensitive than I usually am and feel stupid enough
 
Old Mar 22nd 2010 | 4:21 pm
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yeah, no offense and I'm sorry you got ripped off but rather than "Canada = Scam Central," you just sound gullible and like they saw you coming a mile off.
Well, they probably did see us coming a mile off...

..but the sad thing is I don't doubt they dupe thousands of others too.

Perhaps what you meant to say, instead of your rather ill thought out and frankly, yes - offensive comment, is that these companies take advantage of people who aren't any the wiser. We were new immigrants. It's not a case of being "gullible". You just don't expect to be ripped off in what is supposed to be a developed country.
 
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Mr Lee,

would you care to elaborate on these ridiculous fee's that have so decimated this RESP.

Just from a point of interest....my kids have flown the coop but it may help other with some meat on the bones.

Cheers.
 
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We had a knock on the door last week and it was The Welcome Wagon, I thought the lady was a bit pushy so I trusted my instincts and didn't let her in..I'm glad I did..Welcome Wagon my arse..
Can I just ask - who are the welcome wagon?
 
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http://www.welcomewagon.ca/en/index.php

Basically a person will come to your house with all sorts of goodies from local businesses when you first move into a new area/have a baby/get married.

We got vouchers for house key cutting, free burgers, free ice cream, free toothbrushes, magnetic calendars, pens, pads, intro letters to local business, money off coupons etc. I beleive it costs the businesses that participate quite a lot of money.
 
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Can I just ask - who are the welcome wagon?
An organization who are supported by local businesses such as shops and restaurants. They "welcome" newcomers with a basket of products. The object of it is to introduce you to these local businesses in the hopes that you will patronize them.
 


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