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haggis88 Jan 2nd 2014 7:59 am

American Netflix on Telus Internet
 
Sup team.

Now, i consider myself to be quite adept when it comes to computer related tech issues and never seem to have many issues with internet things, but this one has me stumped.

Basically the way that most of the VPNs tell you to do it is to change the DNS server addresses to their numbers and hey-presto you appear to have a US location (or whatever country you choose).

Now i've changed the DNS's on my devices (PS3, GS4 and Laptop) and it still keeps me in Canada...pretty sure its locating me in BC somewhere. So I was told you need to change the DNS's on the router, only problem being that Telus have those locked and you can't get into the settings on the admin panel.

I found a link that is meant to take you to that panel as a Telus tech, but it just says "Access Denied".

So has anyone in Western Canada successfully fooled their Telus equipment into giving them an American IP or am I snookered?

orly Jan 2nd 2014 8:26 am

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Might need a software solution. I've used BTGuard in the past (works great) but I don't think they have American locations. I'm sure there are plenty of options for a few dollars a month.

Zoe Bell Jan 2nd 2014 8:36 am

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We use unblock us and are on telus
It works fine
Think its about 5 bucks a month

haggis88 Jan 2nd 2014 8:37 am

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i signed up with blockless for a free trial, but their instructions don't work properly

Zoe, what settings did it require you to change? or is it software you run on your PC?

Gozit Jan 2nd 2014 8:59 am

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I second unblock-us. Their website is www.unblock-us.com. The easiest way is to set up the router, but if you have an ISP-supplied router (like you do) it is blocked by the ISP. So you just set up the devices with the unblock us dns servers, DL the netflix app and your good to go. And it is $4.99/month charged to your credit card. Any other questions feel free to let me know, as I have the service and enjoy it. You can also set your location to the UK and watch UK netflix.

Zoe Bell Jan 2nd 2014 9:04 am

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Wot he said
Ben set it up
Pm him if you want. But basically there's a webpage I access which allows me to change between us UK and Canada for our Netflix account

Aviator Jan 2nd 2014 1:07 pm

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We use Hotspot Shied, don't need to change any DNS settings and it is $30 a year for UK and US locations.

Gozit Jan 2nd 2014 1:11 pm

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Originally Posted by Aviator (Post 11060631)
We use Hotspot Shied, don't need to change any DNS settings and it is $30 a year for UK and US locations.

This is a good one too, I've used it in the past, but as far as I know it only works on the computer, so if OP wanted to stream netflix through his xbox or something to his tv, or his smartphone/tablet, Hotspot Shield wouldn't work, hence the recommendation for Unblock-us :)

Zoe Bell Jan 2nd 2014 1:19 pm

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yeah we have it set up so that netflix on the xbox is Canada by default but the WDTV media box is set either to US or UK as we want.

bats Jan 2nd 2014 1:30 pm

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We use Unblockus and have it set up on the modem. Odd thing is that on my Android tablet the App store knows we are in Canada.

cbrown89 Jan 2nd 2014 1:55 pm

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Unblockus is cheap and works

Aviator Jan 2nd 2014 4:50 pm

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Originally Posted by gozitanguygoinghome99xx (Post 11060634)
This is a good one too, I've used it in the past, but as far as I know it only works on the computer, so if OP wanted to stream netflix through his xbox or something to his tv, or his smartphone/tablet, Hotspot Shield wouldn't work, hence the recommendation for Unblock-us :)

It'll work on mobile devices or a PC.

Shard Jan 2nd 2014 10:39 pm

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Originally Posted by bats (Post 11060654)
We use Unblockus and have it set up on the modem. Odd thing is that on my Android tablet the App store knows we are in Canada.

Oh Google know everything about you. :(

bats Jan 2nd 2014 11:14 pm

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Originally Posted by Shard (Post 11061035)
Oh Google know everything about you. :(

Oh dear, everything?

Tangram Jan 2nd 2014 11:21 pm

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Originally Posted by bats (Post 11061063)
Oh dear, everything?

I have the same situation with the Apple App Store and iTunes. Even though unblockus has Netflix and BBC iPlayer giving me access to US and UK, the iTunes store still knows my account was set up in Canada, even though I have changed the store to US.

Not a biggy for me as I don't buy from there but it has stopped me downloading a couple of apps I wanted.

I guess the solution is to set up an account in that country but I can't be bothered.

bats Jan 3rd 2014 10:36 am

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Originally Posted by Tangram (Post 11061066)
I have the same situation with the Apple App Store and iTunes. Even though unblockus has Netflix and BBC iPlayer giving me access to US and UK, the iTunes store still knows my account was set up in Canada, even though I have changed the store to US.

Not a biggy for me as I don't buy from there but it has stopped me downloading a couple of apps I wanted.

I guess the solution is to set up an account in that country but I can't be bothered.

My feelings too.

Bleepedy Bloops Jan 4th 2014 8:53 am

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Maybe all of you geniuses should see what the government's new Copyright Modernization Act has to say about IP cloaking!

hint: (it's illegal)

:eek:

Gozit Jan 4th 2014 9:48 am

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Originally Posted by Bleepedy Bloops (Post 11063097)
Maybe all of you geniuses should see what the government's new Copyright Modernization Act has to say about IP cloaking!

hint: (it's illegal)

:eek:

Heh :) I don't care, unless part of that act says that they [Youtube, Netflix, Hulu etc.] are required to bring the content available in the US/UK to Canada, or change the laws preventing such companies from doing so. (if there are any)

Bleepedy Bloops Jan 4th 2014 10:10 am

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Originally Posted by gozitanguygoinghome99xx (Post 11063148)
Heh :) I don't care, unless part of that act says that they [Youtube, Netflix, Hulu etc.] are required to bring the content available in the US/UK to Canada, or change the laws preventing such companies from doing so. (if there are any)

There are no laws preventing Canadian Netflix from paying the licencing fees to acquire rights to popular first run movies, they just don't have the revenue to do it. So it's all a matter of money basically.

Anyway, not sure why so many people think US Netflix is all that much better than the one we have here. :confused:

Gozit Jan 4th 2014 10:45 am

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Oh, and the reason for you people saying stuff like App Store/Google Play still seeing you in Canada, thats because Unblock US only filters Netflix/Hulu/other data that NEEDS to seem like its coming from US through its servers so that you can enjoy the full speed of your internet connection while having the content you need unblocked through their server... :)

Gozit Jan 4th 2014 10:49 am

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Originally Posted by Bleepedy Bloops (Post 11063164)
There are no laws preventing Canadian Netflix from paying the licencing fees to acquire rights to popular first run movies, they just don't have the revenue to do it. So it's all a matter of money basically.

Anyway, not sure why so many people think US Netflix is all that much better than the one we have here. :confused:

I know what you mean... It's not "all that" that people make it seem. The UK netflix actually has more shows than the US and Canadian combined. But for us, the shows that we have netflix for are all on the US one, and not on the Canadian one for whatever reason. (Sons of Anarchy, Breaking Bad....) Also, it unblocks US-only sites like Hulu (although I dont use Hulu)

bats Jan 4th 2014 11:05 am

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Originally Posted by Bleepedy Bloops (Post 11063164)
There are no laws preventing Canadian Netflix from paying the licencing fees to acquire rights to popular first run movies, they just don't have the revenue to do it. So it's all a matter of money basically.

Anyway, not sure why so many people think US Netflix is all that much better than the one we have here. :confused:

It depends on which shows/movies you want to watch. There are more titles on the US one but sometimes Canadian or British Netflix has the very one you are looking for. As happened with Dexter. USA and UK Netflix have more captioned offerings too.

I thought the new bill only affected downloads, streaming was fine. UnblockUS has moved to Barbados to avoid having to release information on its customers.

Bleepedy Bloops Jan 4th 2014 1:46 pm

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Originally Posted by gozitanguygoinghome99xx (Post 11063197)
Oh, and the reason for you people saying stuff like App Store/Google Play still seeing you in Canada, thats because Unblock US only filters Netflix/Hulu/other data that NEEDS to seem like its coming from US through its servers so that you can enjoy the full speed of your internet connection while having the content you need unblocked through their server... :)

Just a head's up... VPN services give you zero protection when some company suspects you of watching their content outside the US. It's just like illegal downloading, when an ISP is asked by court order to hand over your personal IP they have to do it by law.

Gozit Jan 4th 2014 4:56 pm

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Originally Posted by Bleepedy Bloops (Post 11063319)
Just a head's up... VPN services give you zero protection when some company suspects you of watching their content outside the US. It's just like illegal downloading, when an ISP is asked by court order to hand over your personal IP they have to do it by law.

Depends if your VPN service has IP masking/encryption or not. ;)
In the case of unblock us it isnt even a VPN just different DNS servers so yes your IP is the same. I've had numerous emails from Robbers (Rogers) to stop illegal downloading on my account, (I download from The Pirate Bay :P) but there was no threat as to what exactly they would do about it, so i just keep doing what i do anyway :rofl:

Shard Jan 4th 2014 8:34 pm

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Originally Posted by gozitanguygoinghome99xx (Post 11063406)
Depends if your VPN service has IP masking/encryption or not. ;)
In the case of unblock us it isnt even a VPN just different DNS servers so yes your IP is the same. I've had numerous emails from Robbers (Rogers) to stop illegal downloading on my account, (I download from The Pirate Bay :P) but there was no threat as to what exactly they would do about it, so i just keep doing what i do anyway :rofl:

Just read your extended signature. Malta seems to be a beautiful place. Have meant to visit over the years, but it's still on the list. Do you plan to go to university there?

bats Jan 5th 2014 3:00 am

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Originally Posted by Bleepedy Bloops (Post 11063319)
Just a head's up... VPN services give you zero protection when some company suspects you of watching their content outside the US. It's just like illegal downloading, when an ISP is asked by court order to hand over your personal IP they have to do it by law.

Only if subject to Canadian law.

Bleepedy Bloops Jan 5th 2014 3:24 am

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Originally Posted by bats (Post 11064092)
Only if subject to Canadian law.

How could it NOT be? :rofl:

bats Jan 5th 2014 4:39 am

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Originally Posted by Bleepedy Bloops (Post 11064129)
How could it NOT be? :rofl:

By not being in Canada.

Aviator Jan 5th 2014 4:54 am

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Originally Posted by Bleepedy Bloops (Post 11063319)
Just a head's up... VPN services give you zero protection when some company suspects you of watching their content outside the US. It's just like illegal downloading, when an ISP is asked by court order to hand over your personal IP they have to do it by law.

It is just a contravention of the terms of service of the provider, it is not illegal to watch content though a VPN. All they can do is cut you off. Has nothing to do with copyright breaches for illegal download and the copyright legislation in your country of residence applies, so if a US court get a Canadian address there is bugger all they can do.

It never stopped Adrian Assange.

Bleepedy Bloops Jan 5th 2014 5:02 am

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Originally Posted by bats (Post 11064210)
By not being in Canada.

Are YOU in Canada?

Viewing non-licensed content from a fake IP IN Canada is illegal IN Canada. The location of the VPN service is irrelevant.

Aviator Jan 5th 2014 5:03 am

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Originally Posted by Bleepedy Bloops (Post 11064247)
Are YOU in Canada?

Viewing non-licensed content from a fake IP IN Canada is illegal IN Canada. The location of the VPN service is irrelevant.

Not as far as I am aware, what legislation governs this?

The new copyright law is not in place yet.

http://torrentfreak.com/canada-wants...tomers-131011/

bats Jan 5th 2014 5:08 am

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Originally Posted by Bleepedy Bloops (Post 11064247)
Are YOU in Canada?

Viewing non-licensed content from a fake IP IN Canada is illegal IN Canada. The location of the VPN service is irrelevant.

The company does not have to provide information about you if they are not in Canada. Also am pretty sure streaming content is not affected by copyright law.

Bleepedy Bloops Jan 5th 2014 5:19 am

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Originally Posted by Aviator (Post 11064250)
Not as far as I am aware, what legislation governs this?

The new copyright law is not in place yet.

http://torrentfreak.com/canada-wants...tomers-131011/

It's Just basic Canadian copyright law, it doesn't need to be included in the new Act and it's been around for ever. Using/viewing/copying any copyrighted material without permission is piracy. Having a proxy IP isn't illegal in itself it's what you do with it. :D


Originally Posted by bats (Post 11064256)
The company does not have to provide information about you if they are not in Canada. Also am pretty sure streaming content is not affected by copyright law.

The company doesn't have to, your ISP does!

Aviator Jan 5th 2014 6:13 am

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Originally Posted by Bleepedy Bloops (Post 11064278)
It's Just basic Canadian copyright law

It is not, show us where in the copyright act this is covered, as I cannot find any reference to it. The new copyright law may address this, the old one does not.

In the US it is an offence, so is downloading pirated material in Canada, but not watching geo blocked content through a VPN.

Gozit Jan 5th 2014 1:21 pm

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Originally Posted by Bleepedy Bloops (Post 11064278)
It's Just basic Canadian copyright law, it doesn't need to be included in the new Act and it's been around for ever. Using/viewing/copying any copyrighted material without permission is piracy. Having a proxy IP isn't illegal in itself it's what you do with it. :D



The company doesn't have to, your ISP does!

But if you are paying the VPN company to encrypt your IP data and all your connections run through the foreign VPN IP, the ISP cannot see your "illegal" traffic, and therefore cant hand any data over to anyone, as they dont have any! If someone tries to get it through the VPN company, the VPN company will most likely say "I dont have to under my country's laws" because the VPN is usually located strategically in a country that doesnt have laws against internet piracy.

I also second the motion that it isnt illegal to unblock geoblocked streaming content (such as US or UK netflix) to view in a blocked country.

Gozit Jan 5th 2014 1:24 pm

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Originally Posted by Shard (Post 11063575)
Just read your extended signature. Malta seems to be a beautiful place. Have meant to visit over the years, but it's still on the list. Do you plan to go to university there?

Hey Shard, thanks for reading it! Yes I plan to go to university over there, but my parents don't like the idea... :thumbdown: We'll see if i can convince them ;) I eventually want to live there [for good] having been on many "holidays" staying with my nana and nanu and doing as the locals do, and I have alot of fun doing it, and love being so close to the beautiful Mediterranean... Also just think the lifestyle over there is much more community-oriented, and slower paced... People arent just existing for their jobs, they have a social life, you get more time off work to spend with friends and family, etc etc... The fact that I absolutely detest the Canadian winter and everything to do it plays a big factor in my decisions too ;)

Shard Jan 6th 2014 10:43 am

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Originally Posted by gozitanguygoinghome99xx (Post 11064779)
Hey Shard, thanks for reading it! Yes I plan to go to university over there, but my parents don't like the idea... :thumbdown: We'll see if i can convince them ;) I eventually want to live there [for good] having been on many "holidays" staying with my nana and nanu and doing as the locals do, and I have alot of fun doing it, and love being so close to the beautiful Mediterranean... Also just think the lifestyle over there is much more community-oriented, and slower paced... People arent just existing for their jobs, they have a social life, you get more time off work to spend with friends and family, etc etc... The fact that I absolutely detest the Canadian winter and everything to do it plays a big factor in my decisions too ;)

Good for you. Try to study something that will enable you to get work there (healthcare is usually a good bet). There are many beautiful places on the Med, and you're right about a good lifetstyle, but many young people need to leave it simply to work.

Gozit Jan 6th 2014 12:41 pm

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Originally Posted by Shard (Post 11066302)
Good for you. Try to study something that will enable you to get work there (healthcare is usually a good bet). There are many beautiful places on the Med, and you're right about a good lifetstyle, but many young people need to leave it simply to work.

Thanks Shard :) Yeah the two areas I am considering are Business/Management and Computer Sciences, which apparently are both abundant jobs in Malta. I know exactly what you mean, alot of my friends there ask me why I want to come there when they know they are leaving to find work-most to the UK. But, these people don't plan on going to Uni, for whatever reason, they just want to go to college/MCAST (malta college for arts, science and technology) which won't get you a well paying Maltese job. A uni degree on the other hand I am hoping will fare a little better in the job market down there.

Cheers

Shard Jan 7th 2014 1:12 am

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Originally Posted by gozitanguygoinghome99xx (Post 11066381)
Thanks Shard :) Yeah the two areas I am considering are Business/Management and Computer Sciences, which apparently are both abundant jobs in Malta. I know exactly what you mean, alot of my friends there ask me why I want to come there when they know they are leaving to find work-most to the UK. But, these people don't plan on going to Uni, for whatever reason, they just want to go to college/MCAST (malta college for arts, science and technology) which won't get you a well paying Maltese job. A uni degree on the other hand I am hoping will fare a little better in the job market down there.

Cheers

I've bolded the key word in your comment. Good luck with whatever your choose, and don't forget to listen to your parents' advice too. ;)

Oakvillian Jan 7th 2014 4:49 am

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Originally Posted by Bleepedy Bloops (Post 11064278)
It's Just basic Canadian copyright law, it doesn't need to be included in the new Act and it's been around for ever. Using/viewing/copying any copyrighted material without permission is piracy. Having a proxy IP isn't illegal in itself it's what you do with it. :D

Is it? How, exactly, do you reach that conclusion? I pay a subscription to Netflix, which gives me legitimate, non-piratical access to the content that they have fairly licensed. I would love to see a Canadian cable company (because it's the Bell/Rogers/Telus cartel that has withheld Canadian rights from Netflix Canada, although resistance seems to be crumbling in the face of inevitable failure) try to argue in court against a legitimate Netflix subscriber claiming "fair use" for copyrighted material that they have subscribed to. I simply don't see how geo-blocked content is enshrined in copyright law.

The implication of what you're saying is that it should also be illegal for me to order a book via amazon.com that is not available on amazon.ca. That is patently absurd. So, therefore, is claiming copyright infringement for paid-for streamed content delivered via a geographically-ambiguous DNS server.


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