Ageism
#46
Re: Ageism
It's like anything with human societies. It's about control of resources. So scratch under the veneer of civilization, if you have and control resources as an older person you're valued, if you don't you're not.
#47
Re: Ageism
We have lots of derogatory terms to describe ageing: over the hill; mutton dressed as lamb; past it; old granny; seasoned; vintage ... (is that any better!!). I'm sure you can think of lots I'd rather not write here. As usual, the ones to describe older women are usually worse than those for older men.
It seems trivial but these kinds of descriptions reinforce negative perceptions of older adults.
It seems trivial but these kinds of descriptions reinforce negative perceptions of older adults.
I actually quite like Canada's use of "Senior" rather than OAP or pensioner.
As an aside, I get super irritated when the word is used to garner undue sympathy and its side effect of insulting the individual.
#48
Re: Ageism
The stupid thing is that 40 is the new 30. We're living longer and healthier lives. People are remaining in the work force longer. In some sectors there is a shortage of candidates.
So that all contradicts ageism.
It's true too that if discrimination is not tolerated for race, religion and sex how come it's still ok for age...
Somebody mentioned all the older workers in Home Depot and the likes...he's not that old!!! He still has 12 years left of his "normal" working life!
So that all contradicts ageism.
It's true too that if discrimination is not tolerated for race, religion and sex how come it's still ok for age...
Somebody mentioned all the older workers in Home Depot and the likes...he's not that old!!! He still has 12 years left of his "normal" working life!
#49
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Re: Ageism
The stupid thing is that 40 is the new 30. We're living longer and healthier lives. People are remaining in the work force longer. In some sectors there is a shortage of candidates.
So that all contradicts ageism.
It's true too that if discrimination is not tolerated for race, religion and sex how come it's still ok for age...
Somebody mentioned all the older workers in Home Depot and the likes...he's not that old!!! He still has 12 years left of his "normal" working life!
So that all contradicts ageism.
It's true too that if discrimination is not tolerated for race, religion and sex how come it's still ok for age...
Somebody mentioned all the older workers in Home Depot and the likes...he's not that old!!! He still has 12 years left of his "normal" working life!
I was told by Employment Services 7 years ago that I would likely never get another job, due to my age, lack of Canadian work experience and because I have a hearing impairment. That's a government department who apparently realise that whilst there are laws against them (Age / Canadian Experience / Disability) the reality is that they are not easily enforced. How do you prove that you were not offered a job due to one (or all) of those?
#50
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Location: Edmonton, Alberta
Posts: 141
Re: Ageism
A fit guy who ran marathons.
He wanted to work for Canada Post as a Mailman.
He met a manager for Canada Post at the gym. This manager told him not to bother as they had an unofficial policy not to hire anyone over 50. So yes even in government crown corporations ageism exists.
#51
Re: Ageism
I had a friend who was laid off at 50.
A fit guy who ran marathons.
He wanted to work for Canada Post as a Mailman.
He met a manager for Canada Post at the gym. This manager told him not to bother as they had an unofficial policy not to hire anyone over 50. So yes even in government crown corporations ageism exists.
A fit guy who ran marathons.
He wanted to work for Canada Post as a Mailman.
He met a manager for Canada Post at the gym. This manager told him not to bother as they had an unofficial policy not to hire anyone over 50. So yes even in government crown corporations ageism exists.
#53
Re: Ageism
Well, technically that's driven by years of service not age. I'm just saying it's incredibly hypocritical for a government entity to have an age discrimination policy if the government itself is espousing non-discrimination. Or maybe there is no such official policy in Canada?
#55
Re: Ageism
Well, technically that's driven by years of service not age. I'm just saying it's incredibly hypocritical for a government entity to have an age discrimination policy if the government itself is espousing non-discrimination. Or maybe there is no such official policy in Canada?
#56
Re: Ageism
I bet a lot is down to salary expectations too in many cases.
Some places would rather hire the less experienced candidate, pay them less, and train them up, even if there are gaps in knowledge.
Why pay the 50 year old with experience, than the 30 year old who will accept less dollars.
Not saying it's right. If I left my position, they'd bring in a 30 year old with 5 years experience and pay them considerably less. The job would still get done. Just not as good as me, obviously 😂
I work with a bunch of 30-something women. It's not acceptable to comment on this but we've had 10 babies in the past 15 months in our department alone. Now that is disruptive to the place. The work still gets done by cover-off's but it hampers the ability to move work forward. I'd rather hire the 50 year old than the 30 year old who will have a couple maternity leaves, then move on anyway. Sexist? Ageist? No, just practical.
Some places would rather hire the less experienced candidate, pay them less, and train them up, even if there are gaps in knowledge.
Why pay the 50 year old with experience, than the 30 year old who will accept less dollars.
Not saying it's right. If I left my position, they'd bring in a 30 year old with 5 years experience and pay them considerably less. The job would still get done. Just not as good as me, obviously 😂
I work with a bunch of 30-something women. It's not acceptable to comment on this but we've had 10 babies in the past 15 months in our department alone. Now that is disruptive to the place. The work still gets done by cover-off's but it hampers the ability to move work forward. I'd rather hire the 50 year old than the 30 year old who will have a couple maternity leaves, then move on anyway. Sexist? Ageist? No, just practical.
#57
Re: Ageism
one of my coworkers(I work for a contractor) is 70.On the MB gov side of things another 72 plus at least a dozen pension age 65 + Manitoba highways has no problem taking "oldies on" seems they are reliable ,most not druggies(anymore) and do whats asked without whining and moaning,and being on a camp job up north respect others!.
#58
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Re: Ageism
I bet a lot is down to salary expectations too in many cases. Excellent Point
Not saying it's right. If I left my position, they'd bring in a 30 year old with 5 years experience and pay them considerably less. The job would still get done. Just not as good as me, obviously 😂 Another valid point
I work with a bunch of 30-something women. It's not acceptable to comment on this but we've had 10 babies in the past 15 months in our department alone. Now that is disruptive to the place. The work still gets done by cover-off's but it hampers the ability to move work forward. I'd rather hire the 50 year old than the 30 year old who will have a couple maternity leaves, then move on anyway. Sexist? Ageist? No, just practical.
Not saying it's right. If I left my position, they'd bring in a 30 year old with 5 years experience and pay them considerably less. The job would still get done. Just not as good as me, obviously 😂 Another valid point
I work with a bunch of 30-something women. It's not acceptable to comment on this but we've had 10 babies in the past 15 months in our department alone. Now that is disruptive to the place. The work still gets done by cover-off's but it hampers the ability to move work forward. I'd rather hire the 50 year old than the 30 year old who will have a couple maternity leaves, then move on anyway. Sexist? Ageist? No, just practical.
#59
Re: Ageism
I just want to say a little something, my daughter, 22, was laid off in May. She is in Burlington, she applied to loads of jobs, resorted to doing a paper route for the summer just to be able to pay rent and eventually found a new job about 3 weeks ago, she applied for applied for anything and everything. I just don't think it's as easy to get a job as it used to be.