Salaries...whats enough.
#31
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Re: Salaries...whats enough.
If there is a difference in experience, education, or something else of value to a company, I think a pay difference is justified. But if you are trying to justify a significant skill difference based on citizenship alone with the presumption that Westerners are just more deserving, well your line of thought is borderline racist and probably not sustainable (hence the need to hound Westerners to hold out).
Anyways we are getting a bit off-topic. If locals are averaging 8,500 RM per month, almost double the median salary is a good place to start to say the least.
Anyways we are getting a bit off-topic. If locals are averaging 8,500 RM per month, almost double the median salary is a good place to start to say the least.
#32
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Re: Salaries...whats enough.
Not all expats need rm25k + pm to live and work here.
I have been working and living in Malaysia for 3 yrs. Half of which was in KL. My salary is less than Haggis and I lived quite comfortably.
In KL I had rented a beautiful 3 bedroom 2 bathroom, 1500sqm condo. 15 min drive (of peak times) from city center.2 x car park bays. With a great view of Petronas towers.
My rent was rm1500pm.(I believe now it has gone up to rm2000)
water,electric, gas came to about rm300pm.
I had plenty of cash left over and even more so now since moving to Ipoh.
The above proves, you don't need a vast amount of money to live comfortably in Malaysia, it all depends on the individuals taste and lifestyle and I for one do not feel insulted by my salary.
I have been working and living in Malaysia for 3 yrs. Half of which was in KL. My salary is less than Haggis and I lived quite comfortably.
In KL I had rented a beautiful 3 bedroom 2 bathroom, 1500sqm condo. 15 min drive (of peak times) from city center.2 x car park bays. With a great view of Petronas towers.
My rent was rm1500pm.(I believe now it has gone up to rm2000)
water,electric, gas came to about rm300pm.
I had plenty of cash left over and even more so now since moving to Ipoh.
The above proves, you don't need a vast amount of money to live comfortably in Malaysia, it all depends on the individuals taste and lifestyle and I for one do not feel insulted by my salary.
#33
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Re: Salaries...whats enough.
Hi Haggis68.
It seems your post has stepped on a landmine!
As KoLF and BB have said, RM15,500 gross pm is going to be more than enough to live well in Ipoh. In fact, you could start looking at some pretty nice holidays around SE Asia during the school holidays.
Now that would make for a fun thread, picking out some choice spots in Bali (hello Davita), Singapore (hello exreg) as well as Thailand, Cambodia and Vietnam. Personally, I would like to check ouit Burma but BE doesn't seem to have anyone in place there as yet.
It seems your post has stepped on a landmine!
As KoLF and BB have said, RM15,500 gross pm is going to be more than enough to live well in Ipoh. In fact, you could start looking at some pretty nice holidays around SE Asia during the school holidays.
Now that would make for a fun thread, picking out some choice spots in Bali (hello Davita), Singapore (hello exreg) as well as Thailand, Cambodia and Vietnam. Personally, I would like to check ouit Burma but BE doesn't seem to have anyone in place there as yet.
#34
Re: Salaries...whats enough.
I would of thought 15K a month would be plenty. I didn't think Malaysia was that expensive. Maybe cost are more in KL, but not that much more surely.
#35
Re: Salaries...whats enough.
Agreed. I can only think that anyone who NEEDS more than that (as opposed to just greedy), needs to review their outgoings.
#36
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Re: Salaries...whats enough.
Interesting that the MM2H requirement is now a minimum of RM10K/month
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Re: Salaries...whats enough.
@lacmac post #32
Are you sure 1500sqm...that's huge. My apartment in Jakarta is 98sqm and it's 2 beds/2 baths and big enough.
Maybe you meant 1500 sq.ft.
and Rm 300pm for energy sounds cheap....
Can anyone advise the KWH rate for electricity in Malaysia? My rate here in Bali has been going up and up as they reduce subsidy...currently around Rm 0.5 per KWH.
Are you sure 1500sqm...that's huge. My apartment in Jakarta is 98sqm and it's 2 beds/2 baths and big enough.
Maybe you meant 1500 sq.ft.
and Rm 300pm for energy sounds cheap....
Can anyone advise the KWH rate for electricity in Malaysia? My rate here in Bali has been going up and up as they reduce subsidy...currently around Rm 0.5 per KWH.
Last edited by Davita; Apr 20th 2015 at 7:39 am.
#38
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Re: Salaries...whats enough.
Your correct Davita , Sorry my mistake,predictive text again.
Rm300 is when I use just 2 aircon units,Bedroom and sitting room which was fine for me.
Rm300 is when I use just 2 aircon units,Bedroom and sitting room which was fine for me.
@lacmac post #32
Are you sure 1500sqm...that's huge. My apartment in Jakrta is 98sqm and it's 2 beds/baths and big enough.
Maybe you meant 1500 sq.ft.
and Rm 300pm for energy sounds cheap....
Can anyone advise the KWH rate for electricity in Malaysia? My rate here in Bali has been going up and up as they reduce subsidy...currently around Rm 0.5 per KWH.
Are you sure 1500sqm...that's huge. My apartment in Jakrta is 98sqm and it's 2 beds/baths and big enough.
Maybe you meant 1500 sq.ft.
and Rm 300pm for energy sounds cheap....
Can anyone advise the KWH rate for electricity in Malaysia? My rate here in Bali has been going up and up as they reduce subsidy...currently around Rm 0.5 per KWH.
#39
Re: Salaries...whats enough.
Has been for several years as far as I recall.
Equally, there has been argument among MM2H'ers how excessive this is given cost of living in Malaysia (more so previously before the current bout of GST madness), but Tourism Malaysia based its decision not on actual costs, but on the sort of people they want to attract - so it is what it is.
Actually it is very difficult to pass the 10,000 MYR per month test due to the sort of documentation that they expect. Presumably this is why most MM2H'ers don't go down this route, but rather the FD route.
Equally, there has been argument among MM2H'ers how excessive this is given cost of living in Malaysia (more so previously before the current bout of GST madness), but Tourism Malaysia based its decision not on actual costs, but on the sort of people they want to attract - so it is what it is.
Actually it is very difficult to pass the 10,000 MYR per month test due to the sort of documentation that they expect. Presumably this is why most MM2H'ers don't go down this route, but rather the FD route.
#40
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Re: Salaries...whats enough.
Here are the present electricity rates in Malaysia for domestic users:
kWh RM/kWh
</= 200 0.218
201-300 0.334
301-600 0.516
601-900 0.546
901 - 0.571
We rarely come over RM 100:- per month since we installed inverter type A/C's in our bedroom and in the guest room.
But we run A/C only at nights in the bedroom, set to 25 or 26C which we find is enough to keep the air dry.
The rest we manage with open windows and electric fans.
Other major electricity consumers are washing machine (water heating type), storage tank type water heater for showers (switched on 10-15 min per day) and an inverter type refrigerator.
kWh RM/kWh
</= 200 0.218
201-300 0.334
301-600 0.516
601-900 0.546
901 - 0.571
We rarely come over RM 100:- per month since we installed inverter type A/C's in our bedroom and in the guest room.
But we run A/C only at nights in the bedroom, set to 25 or 26C which we find is enough to keep the air dry.
The rest we manage with open windows and electric fans.
Other major electricity consumers are washing machine (water heating type), storage tank type water heater for showers (switched on 10-15 min per day) and an inverter type refrigerator.
#41
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Re: Salaries...whats enough.
It looks like the min monthly increased in 2010 from 7k to 10k
#42
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Re: Salaries...whats enough.
@Twixy:
I deeply resent that statement. I have been married to a Malaysian for 20 years and my daughter is of mixed race.
@lacmac:
Well you did extremely well then! A 1,400 square foot apartment in Ampang is going to cost you RM5k per month minimum.
How did you manage that then? My old (Malaysian) mother-in-law lives in a kampong house without any air-con or any other major power consuming appliances and her electricity bill averages RM150 per month! Plus water charges of around RM60 per month.
Are you or your condo manager fiddling the meters or what?!
well your line of thought is borderline racist
@lacmac:
In KL I had rented a beautiful 3 bedroom 2 bathroom, 1500sqm condo
We rarely come over RM 100:- per month since we installed inverter type A/C's in our bedroom and in the guest room.
Are you or your condo manager fiddling the meters or what?!
Last edited by Britmal; Apr 20th 2015 at 12:03 pm.
#43
Re: Salaries...whats enough.
Bakedbean - you there?
i think this thread has served its purpose, i am happy with the discussion to date and have been well informed by all posters.
I think the slide into racial territory and other areas has fractured the thread and if could request it be deleted or in least stopped.
Lastly thanks to all who posted.
regards
i think this thread has served its purpose, i am happy with the discussion to date and have been well informed by all posters.
I think the slide into racial territory and other areas has fractured the thread and if could request it be deleted or in least stopped.
Lastly thanks to all who posted.
regards
#44
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Re: Salaries...whats enough.
I wasn't lucky, just researched the area.
My condo was right next to jalan kuching. It was 5min drive to Solaris dutamas and 15min to the Curve/Ikea.
By being 15 mins out of the centre, prices drop dramatically.
Before we had a baby my electric bill was about rm150 it has increased because the baby has several naps and we have the aircon in her room.
As gunnar45 does, we use our Inverter aircon only at night and fans during the day . likewise our fridge is an Inverter type.
My condo was right next to jalan kuching. It was 5min drive to Solaris dutamas and 15min to the Curve/Ikea.
By being 15 mins out of the centre, prices drop dramatically.
Before we had a baby my electric bill was about rm150 it has increased because the baby has several naps and we have the aircon in her room.
As gunnar45 does, we use our Inverter aircon only at night and fans during the day . likewise our fridge is an Inverter type.
#45
Re: Salaries...whats enough.
Bakedbean - you there?
i think this thread has served its purpose, i am happy with the discussion to date and have been well informed by all posters.
I think the slide into racial territory and other areas has fractured the thread and if could request it be deleted or in least stopped.
Lastly thanks to all who posted.
regards
i think this thread has served its purpose, i am happy with the discussion to date and have been well informed by all posters.
I think the slide into racial territory and other areas has fractured the thread and if could request it be deleted or in least stopped.
Lastly thanks to all who posted.
regards
I don't know if BB can delete a thread but there is nothing of great value here and it does give a bad image of BE, so let's hope she can.