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Old Jul 2nd 2010, 3:43 pm
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Brazil and Uruguay
Uruguay here also.......... I think they are vastly underrated compared to Brazil and Argentina.


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Uruguay here also.......... I think they are vastly underrated compared to Brazil and Argentina.


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in the rest of the games.
Luis Suarez for Uruguay was quite an impressive little bugger.
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Old Jul 2nd 2010, 4:25 pm
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Luis Suarez for Uruguay was quite an impressive little bugger.
and all forlan does is score goals.
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Whoooohooooo!!! Go men in orange! And ahhh how the mighty have fallen.
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Why are Brazil ALWAYS #1 on the FIFA world rankings? No matter what happens - number one.
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Hmmmm a cup team not living up the hype. Wow that's a surprise
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So the Italians are blaming the influx of foreign players into their league for their loss. Is England to jump on this bandwagon? Is this causeing a depletion of talent.
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and all forlan does is score goals.
Well, he does now. Didn't in the Premiership....

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Why are Brazil ALWAYS #1 on the FIFA world rankings? No matter what happens - number one.
Excellent question - although you smell the rotting influence of Blatter in this. Why are Egypt 12th? USA 14th? Beating teams in your own region seems to count, but Egypt knock over dustbins and this has no relation to their global abilities. Victories should count for more when beating a top team - like they do in cricket I think.
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Old Jul 3rd 2010, 5:14 pm
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Originally Posted by Herpes Simplex View Post
Why are Brazil ALWAYS #1 on the FIFA world rankings? No matter what happens - number one.
Not true

July 2008 - April 2010 it was Spain
except Aug, Sept and Oct 2009 when it was Brazil
before July 2008 it was Argentina till September 2007 when it was Italy
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Well it seems the might have tumbled. We shall see if Spain is ousted next. Paraguay does have the whole romance of playing for their downed man. Keep in mind I am new to the football world but seems to me what the system needs is a social evolution of sorts. WW2 established the US as a world dominance and England their respect and seemed weak. (Sorry) everyone needs to be challenged and either move to the next level or accept your place on the social scale. England footballers it seems to me need to either piss or get off the pot. Play hard and challenge yourself or accept that u are just another team. Not a power house. Germany is winning because they are fit and playing hard agressive football. They aren't intimidated by SA deity status
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but I wonder if it's a coincidence that the Champions of Italy (and Europe) last season didn't have a single Italian player in their starting lineup

to be honest i don't think theres anything wrong with the quality of italy and france, they just had a bad run simple

italy showed glimpses of what they can do (which england can't) despite crashing out, and as usual most people look at the scoreboard and ignore the long term consistency of those teams, who will be back strong again soon
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We are seeing an exodus of foreigners out of the English league, well the good players at least....... Alonso, Ronaldo etc etc....... Fabergas and Mascherano maybe going to Barcelona.

Why aren't foreign clubs taking English players? maybe it is because they know English players have been shit for awhile and we've only just seen it first hand.

How is it that Gerard Pique couldn't get a game ahead of Rio Ferdinand
at United, yet in 2 years at Barcelona he'll have won it all if Spain win the world cup............
because pique is a long term developer, trained under that philosophy before he went to england

footballing skills first, followed by tactics and defensive training, which is evident in the top class teams defenders who have more skill on the ball than all our england players (look at sergio ramos playing right back)

at the time he may have been a slight defensive liability, but he wouldn't be now, something even ferguson couldn't understand
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because pique is a long term developer, trained under that philosophy before he went to england

footballing skills first, followed by tactics and defensive training, which is evident in the top class teams defenders who have more skill on the ball than all our england players (look at sergio ramos playing right back)

at the time he may have been a slight defensive liability, but he wouldn't be now, something even ferguson couldn't understand
well you got to get the most out of Ferdinand he was £30 mil and he started his career at Barca youth team so slotting back there wasn't a shock
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England needs world class players so they can feel challenge. I just believe its as simple as blood and mud fro the Lions. They created the game to be played hard and take no priosnors. That's what they need to get back to. These millons that are being tossed about by clubs such man city need to look outside of the box. Its an honor to play there. They need not lose that
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England needs world class players so they can feel challenge. I just believe its as simple as blood and mud fro the Lions. They created the game to be played hard and take no priosnors. That's what they need to get back to. These millons that are being tossed about by clubs such man city need to look outside of the box. Its an honor to play there. They need not lose that
England fans and journalists need to wake up and realise that most of the current England team are playing as a collection of individuals, and that they wouldn't know teamwork if it bit them. Gerrard, Lampard, Rooney especially, play in teams whose system is aimed at giving these players the ball, and any team which manages to close one of these players down can win the game.

I think foreign players are a good thing for the Premier League. If English plauyers are good enough, they'll play. If not, they won't. If there were no (or less) foreign players in the PL, these English players would be playing for clubs though with lesser skill. How does that help PL teams when playing against the best in Europe, or England playing against the best in the world. It doesn't.
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