Serrano

Congratulations giodafa.

I almost agree with you - if the jobsworths have had a bad night, you'll get absolutely nowhere unless you have all the information to hand (ideally with you, and also memorised). With the right information, they often bend eventually - though you may have to pretend to lose your temper one or more times!

labus

Thanks.
But is someone else working in the family?
I ask because I try to find a way to get the tessera for my wife and I if we decide to go to Italy. We are self-sufficient, retired early, so there is no pension for another 10 years from now.

Serrano

Labus - sorry, the simple answer is that she qualified solely by virtue of her 5+ years in Italy. If neither you nor your wife are working, neither of you should be entitled to a tessera for the first 5 years. In other words, for the first 5 years all except emergency treatment would have to be private.

Very occasionally the people administering the system don't understand the rules themselves and someone slips through the net, but it is very rare indeed. And most certainly not a right!

labus

Thanks a lot. So 5 years automatically qualifies you for tessera, even though you don't aquire citizenship?
I like to be very well informed before I decide to emigrating to Italy or not.

Lorna at Vicenza

Citizenship is a big and very complicated thing in Italy. It is not like British or other people going to live in USA, Canada or Australia...... even though I know it can be complicated there too.

In Italy you begin as a resident. Some residents need a permesso di soggiorno (a permit to stay). Residents have to prove how they can live here.

After 5 years (for EU) you can ask for permanent residency. This does not in anyway guarantee you for citizenship. Getting citizenship is an entirely separate process and can take years.

Serrano

Exactly

Very wise - but still be prepared for lots of surprises!

giodafa

Labus just been going through the laws regarding eu citizens which Serrano posted on this forum and you don't seem to fit in anywhere. If Serrano thinks you not entitled , you're probally not. He isn't just a man (I'm assuming he's a man) who THINKS he knows it all he actually DOES know it all

labus

Lorna, I'm not necessarily interested in the citizenship, I already have two. I only need the tessera. If I can get it in 5 years, it's OK, but I need to be sure that it is stipulated in the law.
We have enough to support ourselves but not for ever on private insurance.

labus

Oh, I don't expect everything to go smoothly. I don't forget Italians resemble Romanians as far as burocracy is concern. Roman empire left lots of good and bad habits while on Romanian territory about 2000 years ago.

labus

I don't fit for citizenship, tessera or both?

37100

No one can guarantee that the law won't change though!

labus

I know that laws change, but I also hope that they will not change the rules in the middle of the game. I understand if they say from this day on all the newcomers will be whipped and sent to galere.
I would know what to expect beforehand.

Lorna at Vicenza

You can come here and get residency - no tessera with that.

After 4 years you can apply for citizenship. Citizenship includes a tessera.

After 5 years you can ask for permanent residency. You can get a tessera with that.

So to answer your question .......... no tessera when you move to Italy unless you get a job and pay the taxes and the system.

labus

Thanks for the reply Lorna.
I could apply for both, citizenship and permanent rezidency, and see which one gets me the tessera first.

Lorna at Vicenza

It is very unlikely that you will get citizenship in just one year so I would say that permanent residency would be quicker.