Language Test
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Language Test
As normal, I'm struggling with conflicting information. There are a number of sites that suggest a Level A2 Italian test is required to be undertaken within a certain time scale. If this doesn't apply to EU persons - does it apply to non-EU? In other words, in a post Brexit arrangement, might new UK applicants need to undertake this test? Has any EU or non EU person had experience of this either within their initial 5 years or post 5 years ie permanent residency?
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Re: Language Test
with rgard to what? residency or citizenship?
Obviously any test that is for non Eu, will be applicable to Brits after Brexit.
Obviously any test that is for non Eu, will be applicable to Brits after Brexit.
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Re: Language Test
It relates to Italian Language Test for EU Long Term Residence Permit applicants. My understanding is that foreign citizens who wish to request a long term EU residence permit must have regularly lived in Italy for at least 5 years and have an income and an appropriate home for both self and immediate family. When requesting the residence permit, one must demonstrate a competence in Italian at level A2 of the EU Framework? For example see: How to enrol for the Italian Language Test for the EU Long Term Residence Permit. - Pratomigranti
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Re: Language Test
Again, there is no longer term residency permit for EU citizens. The is residency, end of. You roll up at the comune with your passport etc and they register you as a resident. Your link is for non EU nationals applying for an EU long term residents permit at their local Questura.
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Yes but I'm speculating on whether post Brexit UK citizens will be treated the same as non EU ie taking the Questura route. So this suggests that in fact non EU persons (which UK citizens will be after March 2019) need to take a language test?
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You won't know, well no-one will, what might or might not be required for UK citizens to live in Italy until everything is decided, so I certainly wouldn't worry until that happens, and in any case there will be a transition period so that will be the time to sort things out, it's no use trying to sort things out that you can't sort out yet.
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I agree. However, knowing who does take the test might be helpful to me.
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Learning a bit of Italian is certain to be useful even if not required.
The port of Rotterdam is getting ready for hardest Brexit and so should UK citizens in living in Europe.
The port of Rotterdam is getting ready for hardest Brexit and so should UK citizens in living in Europe.
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Yes I agree. I'm learning Italian. I understand all these things. However, I don't want this thread to close on that basis! There is a Language Test for EU long term residence (just Google it). However, does anyone know who is required to sit this test at present? Is it on-EU? Is it for citizenship only? I don't know!
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Has any EU or non-EU person ever had to sit this exam at ANY stage of their application?
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This is British expats. British expats don't have to take the exam so you are not likely to find anyone who can answer your question.
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I think there are two things.
1) At this point in time, and assuming there will be no agreement and thus hard Brexit, as it looks at this moment in time, Brits will be third country nationals and have to take whatever residency tests that other third country nationals (eg, American, African, Asian) have to take there now.
2) You talk about '' taking the Questura route'' in one of your posts, as if you can smell a loop hole.
No: as everyone has told you, there is no EU long term residence permit. A permanent residence permit relates only to the country where you obtain it, and you lose it if you spend a certain amount of time resident outside that particular country. You can't get the visa in Italy then move to live in Germany, for example, without obtaining EU citizenship of an EU country. This is the rule now, and nobody has a crystal ball.
But if sniffing out a possible workaround is your aim as it appears (rightly or wrongly), I would direct you to Section 34 of the EUs publication last week: it dispels any hope we might have of what is termed onward movement.
If maintaining your four freedoms is important to you, as it is vital to many of us who live on the mainland and have to work cross-borders, then I would advise you to be involved with the various campaigns who are fighting for our rights to maintain our lives without a ball and chain shackling us as is proposed. <snipped>
1) At this point in time, and assuming there will be no agreement and thus hard Brexit, as it looks at this moment in time, Brits will be third country nationals and have to take whatever residency tests that other third country nationals (eg, American, African, Asian) have to take there now.
2) You talk about '' taking the Questura route'' in one of your posts, as if you can smell a loop hole.
No: as everyone has told you, there is no EU long term residence permit. A permanent residence permit relates only to the country where you obtain it, and you lose it if you spend a certain amount of time resident outside that particular country. You can't get the visa in Italy then move to live in Germany, for example, without obtaining EU citizenship of an EU country. This is the rule now, and nobody has a crystal ball.
But if sniffing out a possible workaround is your aim as it appears (rightly or wrongly), I would direct you to Section 34 of the EUs publication last week: it dispels any hope we might have of what is termed onward movement.
If maintaining your four freedoms is important to you, as it is vital to many of us who live on the mainland and have to work cross-borders, then I would advise you to be involved with the various campaigns who are fighting for our rights to maintain our lives without a ball and chain shackling us as is proposed. <snipped>
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Yes I agree. I'm learning Italian. I understand all these things. However, I don't want this thread to close on that basis! There is a Language Test for EU long term residence (just Google it). However, does anyone know who is required to sit this test at present? Is it on-EU? Is it for citizenship only? I don't know!
I've been here for over twenty years as a resident and have never sat a test, never been asked to sit a test and never even been asked if I have done an Italian language course or gained any kind of certification.
I'm a resident- full stop. There is no short or long residency. You either are or you aren't. You're on the books at the town hall or you aren't.
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Re: Language Test
WHAT???
I've been here for over twenty years as a resident and have never sat a test, never been asked to sit a test and never even been asked if I have done an Italian language course or gained any kind of certification.
I'm a resident- full stop. There is no short or long residency. You either are or you aren't. You're on the books at the town hall or you aren't.
I've been here for over twenty years as a resident and have never sat a test, never been asked to sit a test and never even been asked if I have done an Italian language course or gained any kind of certification.
I'm a resident- full stop. There is no short or long residency. You either are or you aren't. You're on the books at the town hall or you aren't.
why oh why do folks insist on tying themselves up in knots about stupid non regulations.
Why make an arabesque out of a straight line from a to b.
that's what the local burocrats do.
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Re: Language Test
Yes I agree. I'm learning Italian. I understand all these things. However, I don't want this thread to close on that basis! There is a Language Test for EU long term residence (just Google it). However, does anyone know who is required to sit this test at present? Is it on-EU? Is it for citizenship only? I don't know!
I would say just listen to the people who have boots on the ground here. None of us have taken a test. I certainly haven't. Infact on my way to residency I did many things that the comune just looked at me and said it wasn't needed.
Ultimately to reach A2 you will need very basic Italian, such as do you know how to respond to Come stai? in both the negative and positive sense. Do you have a basic grasp of masucline and feminine words etc.
No one is going to expect you to be able to translate Shakespere.
And that is if the test even exists for residency....which it doesnt...
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