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I had a local company come round last week and discuss putting in a new Bomblone to GPL to our cooker and boiler.

They do to systems, basically the same but one is metered and you pay for the gas as you use (billed a month later) and the other which i believe is more common where you pay for the gas up front and buy 1000 liters or however much gas you require.

My neighbour was concerned that the metered version was much more costly in the long run but i'm not sure if this is true?? I presume that as gas price always go up then you pay whatever the rate is at that time?

The rep said that the current price per liter for GPL is €0.75 + IVA - Is this inline with what you GPL users are paying?

Also, i'm told that IVA on GPL is 21% - is that correct? So, the price for our GPL would be €0.91 per liter?

Also, if i go with them i presume that i would only be able to get gas from them and not shop around for better prices?


Thanks

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No one using gas then ?????

Surely, someone can quote a rough price for GPL ??

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Our heating systme works both on wood and lpg gas but we tend to use gas just for the hot water. I just called kalor gas as we need to order some and they quoted a list price of 90cents per lt.

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We have a bombolone supplied by the gas company and filled by them as needed. We get a bill every two months and this works really well for us.
Last bill the price was €0.903 per lt. after our dicount as we are in the country.

We have a pellet stove for central heating as we found GPL too expensive.
Had system a few years with great service and no problems.

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So the price i was quoted is about what seems to be the going rate?

Does anyone use the metered system? Must be more affordable but how much more in the long run?

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Yes. We have a metered system.
As I said we get a bill every two months after they have read the meter.

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Out of interest how much of a cost saving is the pellet boiler?

How much per year does it cost to run and what size house is it heating?

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House is about 80 years old with high ceilings and central heating system is quite old but works fine.
House is 200mq. Heating system is divided. Can run whole house or just
downstairs. (We live downstairs with small apartment upstairs)
Heating downstairs + hot water (approx 120mq.) we find a 15kg. bag of pellets lasts about 7 to 8 hours. this obviously depends on the temperature your heater is set to run at.
A newer system will probably be more efficient.
At the moment we are paying €4.30 per bag for pellets.

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Forgive me i'm wrong but that doesn't really seem much cheaper than gas?

How long in the day is your boiler running for?

I presume it supply a separate cylinder for your hot water supply to the taps?

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No-one has mentioned running an LPG boiler on bottled gas.
I can't offer a direct price comparison with "bombolone" since the gas is sold by kilo (10, 15, 20, 25Kg @€44x20Kg) and, although I can measure the cylinder, I can't remember how to work the PiR2H thing! In deepest Winter, at 800m, we would consume a 20Kg bottle in 8 days having the CH on 3 hours in the early morning and 3 in the evening to back-up a wood stove. It also heats the water 24/7 and from Apr to Oct a bottle will last from 30 to 45 days for unlimited hot water.
Common sense says that it is more expensive to buy gas this way but it is easier to manage in cash-flow terms, is as thermally efficient and you can always switch to "bombolone" at a later date.

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We find it much cheaper than gas.
Before heater was installed used gas for a few hours each evening at the beginning of winter. Over a six week period this cost us €1200.
Hence the pellet stove.
How long heating is on for depends on the weather. At the moment just in the evening.
Hot water is provided by heat exchanger - no tank.

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[QUOTE=Lasbury;9735944]
Before heater was installed used gas for a few hours each evening at the beginning of winter. Over a six week period this cost us €1200.
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Am I in a parallel world?

I pay half the electricity of any one else and one tenth the gas!

Roll up, roll up, Alpago is underpopulated.

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Am I in a parallel world?

I pay half the electricity of any one else and one tenth the gas!

[/quote]

How many Sq Metres do you have?
how high are the ceilings?
what latitude and altitude do you live at?
How many people in your family?
Is the house empty all day while everyone is at work?
Any babies or young children in the family?

These are the the main drivers for energy consumption.

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How many Sq Metres do you have?
how high are the ceilings?
what latitude and altitude do you live at?
How many people in your family?
Is the house empty all day while everyone is at work?
Any babies or young children in the family?

These are the the main drivers for energy consumption.[/QUOTE]

House is stone, built in 50s, semi-interrato plus 1 floor plus habitable attic, totaling 180 m2 floor area; ceiling height variable, 3m at 1st floor.
At 826m in the 1st line of the Dolomites; crestline averages 2,200m within 3 hours walk from the house, and there's snow on the tops just now. Dec/Jan night-time temp is from -5 to -10.
2xpensioners resident, when we aren't shopping.
Maybe the wife is right, I'm a mean sod!

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i spend around €2K each on elec and Gas plus another €300 on wood. i live at sea level below 45th parrallel, maybe i need to turn the thermostat down!

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Am the only one thinking WOW!!! thats mega bucks!!!

Our electric is something like €1200 per year and i thought that was expensive!! We dont have gas or gpl yet but based on our neighbours usage guessed it'd be something like €1000.

Wood weve managed to get most of ourselves this year so free but did pay about €200 but then again at the moment it our main heat source at present.

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[QUOTE=Lasbury;9735944]
Before heater was installed used gas for a few hours each evening at the beginning of winter. Over a six week period this cost us €1200.
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Dear Lasbury,
Before I get a partita IVA and set up a consultancy, the above isn't a missprint, is it?

For wood, gas and elec combined I paid €1.600 in 2009 and 2010. And we live normally... I think.

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[QUOTE=jiminalpago;9737889]I doubt it is a misprint, we used to pay around 500 euro per 2 months and we only used the heating for a few hours in the morning and 3 hrs in the evening. And we do have direct gas. Some of our friends were hit with bills for over 2,000 euro for the heating season, which is similar to what we paid.

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[QUOTE=Isakat;9737987][QUOTE=jiminalpago;9737889]

I doubt it is a misprint, we used to pay around 500 euro per 2 months and we only used the heating for a few hours in the morning and 3 hrs in the evening. And we do have direct gas. Some of our friends were hit with bills for over 2,000 euro for the heating season, which is similar to what we paid.[/QUOTE

we often use our aircon (they also heat) rather than turn on the gas heating in the evenings. Just heat the room you are in, you have immediate heat and after half an hour, turn it off. We both have a blanket each on the sofa.

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As I alluded to before, apart from the other factors I listed, the only realcomparisons that can be made regarding utility bills should be based on a €/sqmparameter.

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[QUOTE=jiminalpago;9737889][QUOTE=Lasbury;9735944]
Before heater was installed used gas for a few hours each evening at the beginning of winter. Over a six week period this cost us €1200.
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Dear Lasbury,
Before I get a partita IVA and set up a consultancy, the above isn't a missprint, is it?

No, it is correct.
Old stone house which had been empty for about 10years with old central heating system which works fine so we didn't fancy having walls and floors demolished to renew it. We have not been brave enough to try it since so
could be a little better now house has been lived in for a few years.
We didn't really want to live in one room in the winter as lots of people here do - so looked into different forms of heating. Pellets seemed to be best option and we are really happy with the system.
Friends here even on town gas are paying €600 every two months and not
putting heating on except for an hour here or there. Most are also using wood
to warm just one room.

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[QUOTE=pugliese;9738224][QUOTE=Isakat;9737987]Well, for a start Galipoli might not be as cold in winter as where we are. This morning it was 5 degrees above zero. Also, it does not help heating a house with a cement structure and marble floors.
We were thinking of installing an aircon system throughout the house when we were sure that we will have enough electricity produced with the photovoltaic system to cover the power usage.
I grew up in a house where we heated just one room due to being poor, I do not want ever again to live a life like that.

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[QUOTE=Isakat;9739274][QUOTE=pugliese;9738224]Admittedly it is milder here in Gallipoli (10.5°C this morning at 6.30 a.m) but our aircon heaters (LG Art Cool) definitely do warm the room up in no time. We also have marble floors, cement building and 3 m high ceilings. The thing I prefer to the central heating, is that the heat is immediate, like turning on a hot hairdryer. Also grew up in England with no central heating, just paraffin heaters that stunk to heaven when lit in the mornings.

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This summer we had a liberation from the bombolone ceremony... We abandoned GPL and will install pellets heating next year. For the moment we are running on wood, but the I am trying to convince the rest of the family to install geothermal. System for an average two floor detached house in stone with internal insulation can cost around €12000. Little maintenance needed and small space in the garden as the radiators are now buried vertically from 1 to 3meters underground. Of course we are talking long term investment in this case and might not suit someone planning a 'short stay', but seems reasonable if you think all fuel costs will increase in the coming years. ;)

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[QUOTE=homeandgardens;9742664] For the moment we are running on wood, but the I am trying to convince the rest of the family to install geothermal. QUOTE]

Don't forget the option a wood stove offers of getting rid of the bones after a meal. Can't do that with geothermal! I hate the trudge up to the "humido" bin during the summer.
The thought came to me because the only option in the Dolomites for lunch today was a BBQ; must be murder for you folk in the pianura and points south when it gets to November.

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[QUOTE=jiminalpago;9743994]not if you've got a dog!

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[QUOTE=pugliese;9744167]Touche'