meph

After 5 years of living in the USA (brit ex-pats) we have just arrived in Sunny Avezzano. Yesterday actually, me the wife and 4 kids, what a nightmare, we are currently in a hotel and have a temp accommodation in the works. My work has helped no end and we have most things under control but we are struggling with obtaining a family status certificate, or understand what it is!. Can anyone explain what it is and how i go about getting one?

Thanks!

PAT M

You can get one from your Comune when you have registered with them for residency, it's a "Stato di Famiglia" and will show all the particulars of each family member, i.e. date and place of birth and their current address of residence. Good luck.

meph

ah well that's the problem, folk here seem to think that i can get it from the uk somehow...

ononno

Ciao, afraid you will find that officials here will never understand that the UK doesn't 'do' ID cards, or stati di famiglia or certificati di residenza. Best you can do from UK is certificates of hatches, matches, and despatches, and a passport.!
Try them for an autocertificazione?
ciao for now,
'o nonno

PAT M

Yes, you're right about Italian bureacracy not understanding the British lack of certificates/ID's, when I married my Italian OH (40 years ago) I was asked to produce a "Stato di Famiglia", living in London, I phoned the Italian Consulate and they advised me to go to a Notary, I had never even heard the word before, it cost me nearly a month's wages, that was my first run in with life in Italy.

ononno

ahh, what would we do without a notaio.My richest best friends are all they wonder where they got their money?
ciao for now,
'o nonno

casalottian

My wife and I needed a Stato di Famiglia certificate for a mortgage. We just told them we are just living together instead. Made no difference and was a lot easier.

ononno

Ciao, can beat that one! A couple of years ago needed a 'stato di famiglia' and because of a mix up between anagrafi when we changed address about 20 years ago; was told that whilst my wife was registered as 'coniugata' with me; I was not married to her! Took a bit of shouting in high places to get that sorted.
ciao for now,
'o nonno

Lorna at Vicenza

Hi Meph,
welcome to the forum and welcome to Avezzano.

It is easy to get a stato di famiglia BUT only when you are all already registered as residents in your town hall (comune) so that needs to happen first.

A stato di famiglia is just a town hall print out that says :

The family of John Smith, resident in Via Rossi n.12 Avezzano is made up of the following family members ...

and then it lists the names, place of birth and date of birth of all the people in the family and what relation they are to John Smith - head of the family.

I hope that helps a little but just shout if you have any more questions.

meph

Smashing Thanks!

meph

After a confusing and frustrating morning at the local government office, this subject has raised it’s ugly head again.....

I now have a fiscal code, and i am registered as living in Avezzano, but my wife and kids are not registered since my marriage certificate and the kids birth certificates are in English and not recognised, and on the system my married status is ‘unknown’ because I have a British marriage certificate.

The Local government employees tell me to contact the UK for multi lingual version of the same certificates. After some research on the British Embassy web page and a phone call to the Scottish Births and Deaths registrar it seems that

a/ I should have had the various documents ‘legalised’ by the Foreign & commonwealth office in London (before i left)

b/ I then have to get all the documents translated and then notarised.

Can anyone confirm that I’m on the right track here? Are there any alternatives to what will no doubt be a long drawn out and expensive process?


Thx

modicasa

I have never had to have official notarised translations of british and marriage certificates - a simple translation is enough to satisfy the law.

meph

OK thx.

Were the documents which you had translated first legalised by the Foreign & commonwealth office in London?

thx

LivingHere

I was able to register us using UK issued documents. The only time I ever needed anything translated was when I used OH's payslips to register myself. Although he works here his payslips are in English and I needed a letter from his employer saying who he was. You should be able to use your passports instead of the birth certificates, at least we did.

Also, we aren't married so OH wrote a letter (in Italian) saying that I was his financial responsibility. Maybe you could use this instead of a marriage certificate.

Are you working here? Is there someone there who can help you? Sometimes taking someone with you to fight your corner helps a whole lot.

meph

yes i'm working here and have had help but the government office is insisting that they will not register the wife or kids as residents without the equivalent certificates in Italian or multi lingual versions, which they also insist should be issued by the uk government, we were in the government office for an hour today going round and round in circles.