Joboss05

Hi everyone,
I'm planning to be in Italy in rented accommodation for 6 months in September. I am confused about how long I can stay without residency? At 3 months I need to declare that I'm staying longer to the police and then I need to apply for residency? I think?
Second option I've heard is that I can stay 183 days without residency?
Can someone put me straight please!
If I stay say for 2 months then return to the uk for a week. Does the 3 month rule start again when I return to Italy??

Your help is very much appreciated!

Ian

modicasa

You are right - the situation is absurd, and to be honest ITaly has got enough problems on its plate without worrying whether you are here legally or not. Technically if you are here for 6 months you should ask for residency, so the ideal thing is to stay for a couple of months, take a day trip elsewhere and then your 90 days starts again on your return. Before I lived here full time I never took any notice of the 90 day rule, and nothing ever happened to me - the police know its absurd. If you are not from the EU however, it matters more than for an EU citizen because there are visas and all sorts of complications.
When you sign your rental contract, make sure it is registered and you have a copy - that is your 'licence' to stay - and if you are obeying that side of the law then they wont care whether you stay here for 3 or 6 months.

6monthshere6monthsthere

If you are from the EU it is nothing to worry about, Modicasa knows the rules better than I do but I have never applied and first time I went through the airport after 8 months I expected to get pulled

I know that is stupid now, but I was nervous, anyway I am no resident and only been in the uk for 6 weeks in the last 2 years

Italy is poorer than the UK I think they are more concerned with those seeking a better life in Italy slash Europe than Brits who are not looking for work and have cash

Sancho

I think you're right - that the rules are unclear. Going by this, for instance

http://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens...mployed_it.htm

it looks as though you mustn't spend spend than 183 consecutive days in Italy in a year, which on the face on it would appear to mean you could spend, say, five months in Italy, then a month abroad, then five months in Italy again, ad infinitum. And what does "nell'arco di 12 mesi" mean ?. Any twelve months ? The twelve months from when you arrived ? etc.

(Not to mention the "centro d'interessi" bit.)

I'm sure there are other documents about this, and that other forum members will give you different interpretations, and that not even commercialistas will agree, either with each other or with the AdE (the Italian Revenue).

In which situation the best thing is to be very, very careful, and if in doubt not to push your luck. Don't give them any way, by any interpretation, of arguing that you're resident in Italy.

Garbatellamike

And once your rental contact is registered a Vigili will pop round to check you are actually living there - in my case he just asked the Concierge as I was out.

BTW, you will probably need a CF for the rental contract

As alluded to above the Italians are concerned about Ex-communitari and clandestini not EU citizens.

Joboss05

Thanks everyone that's been really helpful. Yes I am a UK resident so in the EU. Will make sure I get a contract for the 6 months. Do I still need to get a permission to stay stamp and see the police within the first 8 days of arrival and a codice fiscale?

37100

No, EU citizens no longer need a permit to stay. You are supposed to sign for residency if you intend to stay for more than 3mnths, but as the others say, no one is really bothered.

A codice fiscale is the easiest thing to get. You can apply for it at an Italian Embassy if you have time. If not, it's just a case of a trip to the tax office.

Garbatellamike

Codice Fiscali yes definitely and you can apply in the UK so you have it when you get here - I recommend you do this as you can't even get a pay and go SIM card without it.

I don't think EU citizens need the PdS anymore.

And I am a slow typist cf 37100

6monthshere6monthsthere

That is not true, just plain bad information

you just say you are a UK resident and they ignore the CF

I have had 5 or 6 payg sims (Mobile phone and mobile broadband and variable coverage) and was even offered a contract by the vodafone store without CF, Vodafone being the company I use most although mobile is TIM

Maybe in theory ou cant but the reality is it is very easy

Garbatellamike

Ah OK would not have thought about lying about my residence - thanks for the correction. Point that you need a CF for a whole host of reasons remains valid.

37100

It's illegal, but who cares, eh? Do you at least show your passport? And you might have been offered a contract, but you can't activate it without a CdF. Some shops will generate a CdF for you, of course, these aren't valid and often incorrect.

modicasa

Buying a SIM card without a CF just means that the shop generate a CF that might or might not be yours. They have a legal responsibility to assign a SIM card to a physical person - and to this end they use your CF. Until 18 months ago you could only have 3 SIMS in your name, now its the heady total of 7. For any transaction with a public office, using a computer generated CF is not acceptable. You must trot off to the Agenzia dell'Entrate adn get the easily forged piece of paper - at least then you can be sure that if there is another Tom Jones who shares your birthday in Italy, you will have separate CFs.

Joboss05

Thanks again guys, this info has been really helpful and it keeps my stress levels down!

6monthshere6monthsthere

It is illegal, well chuck me in jail for buying a PAYG sim card!

AHAHAH

I tell the shop, I am from the uk, here is my license done... simple as that

Its a stupid rule and the shops are perfectly aware that it is stupid to ask someone from the UK for this just to issue a frikkin sim card

I will keep a look out for the police on my illegal connections (One of which I am on now

The REALITY is, you will have NO trouble getting a sim, the actual reality is a lot more useful than the TECHNICALLY you should do this bs..

But then, I do not have a contract for rent so this is another law broken.. I should be on the FBI list

Garbatellamike

No not the FBI, thet are American. It is the GdF. Yes but if you are comfortable with lying and your illegal ways of doing things then that is your decision. However, I have to confess that I fundamentally disagree with you encouraging others to follow your example but that is just my naivity I suppose.

I provided the OP some advice with, as you helpfully pointed out, incomplete information. You then provided advice, also with incomplete information (it is illegal).

To the OP, I would say this: