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you're welcome

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If you would care to re-read my post about the requirements for foreigners to comply with Italian law, you will find that you are repeating some (but not all) of what I have already said.

Putting it really simply now, the current requirements are:

1. You must get a "Codice Fiscale". You can not buy anything of importance, such as a house or a car, here without one. Neither can you get a telephone (fixed or mobile), electrical or gas supply without one. You can not legally rent a property either.

2. Once you have somewhere to live, you must register with the comune in which you live within 3 months of your residency. This is a legal requirement whether you are a foreigner or Italian -EU or extra communita.

3. In order to obtain health care in Italy you must have a Carta Regionale dei Servizi - Tessera Sanitaria - which you can apply for after you have residency. This card is needed if you register with a doctor, get prescription medicines at a pharmacy, see an optician, visit a hospital, etc. You are entitled, as a EU citizen, to seek emergency medical treatment if you have a European Health Card, issued in your home country. This has a limited validity and also gives you limited access to the excellent medical facilities available in Italy.

4. As a EU citizen, you are not required by law to purchase a kit from the post office to enable your application for a permesso di soggiorno. For people with slightly unusual circumstances including those relationships outside of those recognised currently by the state (unmarried or homosexual for instance), you can still get a kit for EU citizens and it would prove advantageous to do so for many people.

It is important, in light of what you are claiming, to point out that the new government of dott Berlusconi has abandoned the change in law that the Prodi government were proposing to give rights to unmarried and gay partnerships similar to those "enjoyed" by hetrosexual, married unions.

5. As a tourist, you are required to register your arrival in Italy within 7 days of arrival. This is usually done by the hotel you are staying in (hence their requirement for your passport). This is an important point for people here to be aware of if you have visitors staying with you as well. It is not a new law and is not a law that has been rescinded - it is a long standing anti-terrorism law. Like it or not, it is a legal obligation that you ignore at your personal peril.

Italian law is difficult for many people to come to grips with as it is so different from the legal system of the country you, as English speakers, come from. Passing misinformation as has been clearly happening here, is not helpful to those that might be considering taking such wrong advice, if the end result could be a criminal conviction against them.

Now, I realise that it is unsafe to take the words of people at face value on here - and I would hope that anyone reading this that is unsure of what to do will feel the same.

The answer is always very simple. If you don't know what you should be doing to live here legally, get in touch with your embassy. The British Embassy has current information both available over the telephone to callers and also on the British government's Italian Embassy website. If your situation is more "unusual", you need to talk to an Italian qualified lawyer.

If you speak Italian, read this document.

http://www.governo.it/GovernoInforma...migrazione.pdf

A further point is that if you have stayed in Italy, legally, for 5 years or more, you can apply (at the comune for an EU citizen, at the questura if extra communita) for a permanent right of stay.

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DID YOU READ ANY OF MY LAST POSTS ?

Please STOP talking about a permesso di soggiorno. EU citizens DO NOT NEED IT !!!!!!!!!! We don't need a kit of any kind !

You DO NOT NEED a tessera sanitaria for any eye tests at the opticians. You can walk into any Opticians in any town and get your eyes checked and buy glasses. You will pay for this whether you have a health card or not.

NONE of our British visitors, friends and family need to register their presence at all.
Read this :
Per lo straniero che proviene da Paesi che non applicano l’Accordo di Schengen l’obbligo di rendere la dichiarazione di presenza è soddisfatto con l’apposizione del timbro uniforme Schengen sul documento di viaggio al momento del controllo di frontiera.

This clearly says that they do not to declare their presence. From the Poliza Di Stato website)

And as for the link you posted ............... nowhere on it does it mention the 7 days that you keep insisting on and more worryingly ......... it does not say when it was written and if it has ever been updated.


NOW GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT BEFORE SOME POOR BUGGER STARTS BELIEVING ALL THE SHITE YOU HAVE POSTED AND THINKS THAT GETTING INTO ITALY IS PRACTICALLY IMPOSSIBLE !

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furthermore, quote

"If you would care to re-read my post about the requirements for foreigners to comply with Italian law, you will find that you are repeating some (but not all) of what I have already said."

What you already said was total tosh compared to the CORRECT info that Testrossa posted. All you did was scare most of the people on here that they'd end up in jail !!!!!!

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Do you need to do any paperwork to enter Jail?

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why - have you got a "get out of jail free" card? :rofl:

We'll all be needing one if we believe everything Nardini has said. :eek:

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And those responses were precisely the reason why anyone that might want to do things the correct, legal way here should contact the British Embassy rather than reading the complete load of nonsense that people that seem to have no life other than posting complete rubbish on this "help" board seem to think is both clever and big.

CONTACT THE BRITISH EMBASSY.

At least I have a life in Italy, rather than an enormous (but very sad) post count.

CONTACT THE BRITISH EMBASSY!

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THE ONLY RUBBISH WAS MOST OF WHAT YOU WROTE.

This is what is true and correct :
http://www.parlamento.it/leggi/deleghe/07030dl.htm

I am, like many other people are, in perfect legal order with every bit of my life here in Italy and I have been for the past 18 years.

Now piss off back to your fantastic life in your cave and do stop going on about the defunct permesso di soggiorno !

It's been ages since I came across such a misinformed wanker and even worse ........ one still insisting he is right yet nobody else agrees with you on nearly all of your points.
Vafanculo !

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and even your beloved British Embassy website states :

ONCE YOU ARRIVE IN ITALY
Permesso di soggiorno: from 1 January 2007 the permesso di soggiorno no longer applies to European Union nationals living in Italy. However British (and European) nationals must take out a residence certificate at the Anagrafe within three months, by providing some proof of employment or financial resources, which can be in the form of bank statements, tax returns or a
contract

http://ukinitaly.fco.gov.uk/en/help-...reqs-for-italy

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Nardini

Do you really think you are helping anyone on this site?

You previously wrote on one post that you were cool headed or something to that affect I don't think by insulting other members you are doing a good job of getting your point across.

Has it ever occurred to you that maybe your facts may be outdated???

I have been here for many many years and never have I registered my guests with any public body. When I took my nieces to a hotel I needed a letter from my sister giving permission for her children to stay with me, but they were minors.

Having said that some members who you are insulting have given invaluable help to many many people long before you ever came on this site.

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Umm, I did just that, I contacted the Embassy in London last week, as I am in the final stages of moving to Pisa, they did not mention half of what your posts describe, more that for 3 months I don't really have to do anything, but once I have indeed decided to stay then there was a procedure that needed to be followed, it seems reasonably straight forward:rofl:

To be very honest, your posts have been very confusing, maybe if you get the chance you could also contact the embassy and then all the helpful advice given on the forum will tie in together.

With regards to renting property, mobile phones etc, these are available to EU citizens without much hassle, or so I was lead to believe:thumbup:

The embassy was sadly lacking on information as to whether I can get sky TV in Pisa however, the lady inferring that I should start to support an Italian team rather than Man U.:eek:

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Please leave Lorna alone. Her 'enormous' amount of posts helps keep this board going. Any advice, any of us give here, is only meant to be a starting point for expats who don't have their family to lean on for support.

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Nardini, I'm sure you meant well but it was the tone of your initial post that didn't come across too nice. A bit too heavy-handed for this site.

The best advice you will ever get. In fact any team will do. Not just Italian. A nice team like Liverpool.

Beat her with sticks.

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Beat her with sticks.[/QUOTE]

No, I'll send my m-i-l over for a few years.:sneaky:

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No, I'll send my m-i-l over for a few years.:sneaky:[/QUOTE]
please - no nasty or interfering old mother-in-laws.

I can think of more people in need of such punishment. Please not me !

I am only a daft little poster after all. Please don't take this life away from me for I have no other ....................... according to some :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

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Hello Guys been in the UK and Back now and been reading this Post: Nardini you made me laugh so much do you live in a cave? If so please it's time to come out and see the real world. What the F you on about you are so antiquated it's unreal you are the biggest Richard Cranium i have come across

So my advice, stop taking the funny pills and listen to the women what they are saying they have it spot on. (bugger agreeing with women...need to get back to Italian way and quick)

PS: the reason he does not have a clue is because he probably works for the Embasy

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Agree with Rosalindann .......Lorna gives her whole - she's always available to help on any subject whatsoever and the information she gives is spot on.
Its a shame that sometimes people from 'other' forums pop over and then (either by tone or words) say the wrong thing and upset others. There really is no need - we're all in the same boat - living in a different country to that we were born and brought up in and trying to help those who are sailing in the same boat as us !! :blink: