Pica

No relaxation here in the red zone of Castiglione M R sadly. I'm desperate to get to Montesilvano for good Brie, Lurpak butter and soba noodles !

pommybird

What is the feeling in Italy about the tourist summer season, do you reckon Italy will be closed for business this summer?

Geordieborn

In Greece they are talking about the season kicking on the 1st July - not a cat in hells chance I reckon. Many here in the UK have written off any holidays for this year! We certainly won't be looking before May21 unless a vaccine comes along before that.

philat98

Are you still in a red zone Pica? In Umbria the red zone only lasted 2-3 weeks. Did they test all the residents for the virus?

Pica

Hi philat, Yes still confined 🙄 and no we haven't all been tested and as far as I know it's only the members of the council who have been and anyone admitted to hospital with symptoms.

philat98

I looked on Ansa and your village is no longer a red zone

Pica

Really! I shall check. This morning's announcement from our comune said no change. It's all very confusing but thanks for that. I need to get to our garden centre for bedding plants as well as Iper Simply.

Pica

Just checked and yes we are longer a red zone BUT we still can't travel out of our very small municipality. Can you travel out of yours?

philat98

We are allowed to do our shopping in the next comune because the shops in the village are very limited. After next weekend we can travel within the region.

Serrano

At a national level nobody is permitted to leave their comune for any except a few prescribed reasons. Which, by the way, would not include either bedding plants nor visits to IperSimply (isn't yours a Conad yet?) assuming you have food shops in your Comune.

This might or might not be eased after 3 May, but I wouldn't bank on it by any means ...

philat98

Our Mayor wrote on facebook that residents can shop in the adjacent comune. Only for food though.
I stop at the garden shop on the way back from the supermarket.

Serrano

The trouble with this sort of thing is that unless your mayor (or the Region) has made a statutory decree to that effect - which would likely be immediately quashed at a higher level - the law stilll prevails.

Look at the government's site for iorestoacasa, FAQ section where it says clearly:

"È possibile fare la spesa in un Comune diverso da quello in cui si abita? Gli spostamenti verso Comuni diversi da quello in cui si ha la residenza o il domicilio sono vietati. È possibile spostarsi in altri Comuni solo ed esclusivamente per comprovate esigenze lavorative o in casi di assoluta urgenza o per motivi di salute. Laddove quindi il proprio Comune non disponga di punti vendita, o sia necessario acquistare con urgenza generi di prima necessità non reperibili nel Comune di residenza o domicilio, lo spostamento è consentito solo entro tali stretti limiti, che dovranno essere autocertificati. Il Ministero dell’Interno, con apposita circolare (n. 15350/117(2) Uff.III-Prot.Civ, del 23 marzo u.s.), ha comunque chiarito che si può considerare giustificato lo spostamento dal Comune di residenza nel caso in cui il punto vendita per l’approvvigionamento di generi alimentari più vicino o più accessibile rispetto alla propria abitazione si trovi nel territorio di un Comune confinante. Il cittadino identificato in un comune diverso da quello di residenza ha comunque l’onere di addurre e comprovare di trovarsi in tale specifica situazione. Sarà cura poi delle Autorità verificare la veridicità della dichiarazione resa con l’adozione delle conseguenti sanzioni in caso di false dichiarazioni."

Now how impressed do you think the Carabinieri would be with your mayor's Facebook postings?

philat98

I suspect that what you say is correct.
I prefer to shop in the Ipermarket in the next comune because it is spacious, very clean and the number of people entering is carefully controlled. Umbria has controlled the pandemic well and will hopefully lift some restrictions in May.
A lot of these rules dont make much sense. I read that in Fase2 we will be able to move only within the region. But where I live I can walk my dog into Lazio.

Serrano

Oh, agreed, I would much prefer to go to the Conad and Lidl etc which are about 25Km from here (not least because they have some lines - grapefruit juice to take a trivial example - that are simply not available in my Comune. And also cheaper), but I understand the logic behind the restrictions that forbid it.

The problem with laws is that they are arbitrary (remeber the saying "the law is an ass") - so what makes sense in the centre of Rome may well not in a small country town; what makes sense in the small town may not make sense for a house in the middle of the countryside etc. But in that respect we all have to take the rough with the smooth.

And just forget what you have read (incluing anything I might say ) about what will happen in the next phase. The simple truth is that NOBODY (government included) knows what's going to happen in 8 days' time. Yes, the government have got plans, but they are confidential and will probably be modified by events over the next week. In general the Regions are very, very reluctant to be more liberal on restrictions than central government (because any downsides would be immediately at their door) - and central government would be very likely to abrogate any liberties they were not comfortable with.

brian12

We risk the 7 mile drive to IperCoop once a week.We leave at 12.30 and find all the plod are probably scoffing their pasta,hopefully.They are certainly not on the road.Knowing our luck we'd be nicked on the last week of lockdown,lol.