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ed_the_lad Mar 22nd 2007 10:04 pm

Re: IT skills shortage
 
Things aren't looking too bad at the moment, i did well on the second technical interview and now my references are being checked, its out of my hands now!

stuckinswansea Mar 22nd 2007 10:17 pm

Re: IT skills shortage
 
I'll keep everything crossed for you!

dogscogs Mar 27th 2007 11:45 pm

Re: IT skills shortage
 
I've just sent off my RPL to the ACS so I'm quite a way off from job hunting yet.

Have many others had similar problems with recruiters in Oz being lazy?

Also, I have noticed from the Job sites that the Australian idea of a network engineer seems to encompass things like MCSE's and Security Engineers too - am I looking for the wrong job title or is there a genuine lack of specialization within the industry in Oz?

BoredinBelfast Mar 30th 2007 5:29 pm

Re: IT skills shortage
 
Hi Dogscogs - interestingly as a security consultant in the same position as yourself I am astounded by the apparent lack of specialisation. Anyone out there got any experience of this or are the recruiters simply trying to 'cast their net' wide??

stuckinswansea Mar 30th 2007 5:46 pm

Re: IT skills shortage
 

Originally Posted by BoredinBelfast (Post 4583297)
Hi Dogscogs - interestingly as a security consultant in the same position as yourself I am astounded by the apparent lack of specialisation. Anyone out there got any experience of this or are the recruiters simply trying to 'cast their net' wide??

It can be as bad here!
This is from a UK Agency yesterday, Routers/VPN, AD Admin, Telephones, SQL Admin....

:D Three guys and all for 20k GBP

Kevin



printers, scanners, whiteboards & projectors etc.
·TCP/IP network infrastructure support e.g. Routers, Firewalls, VPN etc.
·Office systems e.g. Word, Spreadsheet, PowerPoint, Email

·Maintenance of domain accounts within an Active Directory structure
·Software deployment/installation
·Administration of SQL databases
·Backups and restoring

·Installation of telephone handsets, fax


dogscogs Apr 1st 2007 9:15 pm

Re: IT skills shortage
 
lol, I think they want a one man IT department by the sound of it :-)

sunburn Apr 20th 2007 1:40 pm

Re: IT skills shortage
 
Having just got back from an interview I wondered how you'd got on ?
...well Ed ?
:zzz:

ed_the_lad Apr 21st 2007 9:14 am

Re: IT skills shortage
 
I got the job! I start on Tuesday, 3 month contract, but its the foot in the door i needed, senior position, so i'm pretty happy! Hope all goes well for you and the job your searching for.

sunburn Apr 21st 2007 9:48 am

Re: IT skills shortage
 

Originally Posted by ed_the_lad (Post 4676462)
I got the job! I start on Tuesday, 3 month contract, but its the foot in the door i needed, senior position, so i'm pretty happy! Hope all goes well for you and the job your searching for.


congratulations :thumbup:

Ste&Dawn Apr 21st 2007 5:11 pm

Re: IT skills shortage
 

Originally Posted by ed_the_lad (Post 4676462)
I got the job! I start on Tuesday, 3 month contract, but its the foot in the door i needed, senior position, so i'm pretty happy! Hope all goes well for you and the job your searching for.

Hey there ED nice one! :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

As a matter of interest is the job which you have been offered a senior Cisco role? May I be cheeky enough to ask how much they have offered you?

Oh by the way welcome to the world of Cisco, now the really hard work starts!

Steve

stuckinswansea Apr 21st 2007 5:49 pm

Re: IT skills shortage
 

Originally Posted by ed_the_lad (Post 4676462)
I got the job! I start on Tuesday, 3 month contract, but its the foot in the door i needed, senior position, so i'm pretty happy! Hope all goes well for you and the job your searching for.

Well done Ed, I think quite a few of us have been following your progress and wondering what it will be like for them when they finally arrive!
Good to see you have got a result in 3-4 months but it must have been a nail biting time!

Kevin

BoredinBelfast Apr 21st 2007 6:50 pm

Re: IT skills shortage
 
Congratulations Ed - well done you!

ed_the_lad Apr 22nd 2007 4:19 am

Re: IT skills shortage
 

Originally Posted by Ste&Dawn (Post 4677892)
Hey there ED nice one! :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

As a matter of interest is the job which you have been offered a senior Cisco role? May I be cheeky enough to ask how much they have offered you?

Oh by the way welcome to the world of Cisco, now the really hard work starts!

Steve

Yes, its a senior Cisco role, $450 per day, thanks all!!

Richardowen Apr 29th 2007 4:32 am

Re: IT skills shortage
 

Originally Posted by stuckinswansea (Post 4583357)
It can be as bad here!
This is from a UK Agency yesterday, Routers/VPN, AD Admin, Telephones, SQL Admin....

:D Three guys and all for 20k GBP

Kevin



printers, scanners, whiteboards & projectors etc.
·TCP/IP network infrastructure support e.g. Routers, Firewalls, VPN etc.
·Office systems e.g. Word, Spreadsheet, PowerPoint, Email

·Maintenance of domain accounts within an Active Directory structure
·Software deployment/installation
·Administration of SQL databases
·Backups and restoring

·Installation of telephone handsets, fax



This is called skills fishing... the company has little money or a small IT budget, and is chancing their arm - seeing what they can get for the money. They'll end up with fairly low skilled people that know a little about a lot of different things and never have the money to give them any further training.

Saying that, it's funny to me that people still think that job's come with specific salaries. At the end of the day a job is worth what someone is willing to accept to do it. That's why there's often a big difference between salaries for the same positions within many companies, especially in the IT field. It's also why it's not a good idea to ever tell any of your co-workers what you make. :rofl:

IMHO there's a shyness in the UK when it comes to asking for money which is silly cos if you don't ask you don't get. If you get offered a job they will likely ask you what you expect to be paid, within a salary range that you should always know before the interview.

From my several years of experience recruiting Network Engineers the vast majority of people will go for somewhere just above the middle of this range. It baffles me why people don't ask for the top value straight away.

Rich./

stuckinswansea Apr 29th 2007 7:48 am

Re: IT skills shortage
 

Originally Posted by Richardowen (Post 4712269)
This is called skills fishing... the company has little money or a small IT budget, and is chancing their arm - seeing what they can get for the money. They'll end up with fairly low skilled people that know a little about a lot of different things and never have the money to give them any further training.

Saying that, it's funny to me that people still think that job's come with specific salaries. At the end of the day a job is worth what someone is willing to accept to do it. That's why there's often a big difference between salaries for the same positions within many companies, especially in the IT field. It's also why it's not a good idea to ever tell any of your co-workers what you make. :rofl:

IMHO there's a shyness in the UK when it comes to asking for money which is silly cos if you don't ask you don't get. If you get offered a job they will likely ask you what you expect to be paid, within a salary range that you should always know before the interview.

From my several years of experience recruiting Network Engineers the vast majority of people will go for somewhere just above the middle of this range. It baffles me why people don't ask for the top value straight away.

Rich./

Good advice, thanks!

I agree, I tend only to see this in the 18 to 25k range where 'experience of IIS' usually means 'knows how to start and stop the service' not 'can build a server farm from scratch'


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