Originally Posted by sonlymewalter

Most businesses today have recognized that communication is the key to success. If people cannot communicate effectively internaly and externally then they cannot make a difference and they lose out to competitors who can.

Whilst I understand you are upset, you need to see this from a potential employers perspective rather than your own. Take the emotion out of this and strive to meet their requirements and you will be successful

Good luck

Originally Posted by oliman

FYI, the IT job role has minimum level of client interaction involved and mostly you have to deal with the computers, programming languages, network configuration etc, and that is why 6 band in all is also acceptable by DIAC for IT guys.

But guess what! you have to score "7 in all" anyways to get required points, which is generally needed in profession like doctors, accountants etc where high level of interaction with other people is involved.

Don't you feel some contradiction/clash in here?

Originally Posted by oliman

As DIAC has revoked MODL on 8th Feb without any prior notice, many of us are depending on getting 7 band in all modules of IELTS.

Although 6 band in each module is acceptable, yet it does not allow people like me to score 120 points. In reality, 6 in all is not acceptable, and the only option is to get 7 band in all within one IELTS attempt. What kind of stupidity is that?

I have attempted IELTS for 4 times now. In my last attempt I scored 7+ in all modules except in the reading module which was 6.5. I am really pissed off now with DIAC point system.

I even applied for Victoria state sponsorship. The refused my application after one month stating that my experience and skill does not match the current need. On the other hand, I saw many other individuals getting sponsorship even that they were having same skill set as me yet they had lesser experience. I doubt the sponsorship process of the states!

I am kind of losing my interest in moving into a state where entry criteria is illogical.

Thats all. I don't feel like saying anything else.

Originally Posted by r_1159

this is really redeculous how they play with peoples life. Shame on australi's gov

Originally Posted by Dorothy

How is it stupid or illogical for an english speaking country/state to expect that their residents speak english to a high degree?

Originally Posted by oliman

If high degree of English is considered to be important, then why is there the acceptable option of "competent English" while it does not fulfill you the points to immigrate?

Originally Posted by JOE2010

Why not just redo the test until you pass? I scored 6.5 and instead of whining I just bought the books and practised, and scored 8.5.

You should be asking what or where you are going wrong with your IELTS test (and you may get some help from many who have sat the test and passed), venting your frustration here is not helpful, and I doubt it makes a difference.

Good luck.

Originally Posted by oliman

If high degree of English is considered to be important, then why is there the acceptable option of "competent English" while it does not fulfill you the points to immigrate?

Originally Posted by freebo

I'm well aware of what an IT job entails, I've worked in technical IT for 24 years, I've been a developer too.

Employers seem to want "communication skills", and they can choose who they employ.

I put .net into seek and got...

" * Must have strong communication and interpersonal skills - able to work within a team"

"Strong communication skills, team player, confidence in your ability to perform at a high standard, and an outstanding attitude would be the icing on the cake"

"Good communication skills "

out of the first 5 matches.

Originally Posted by Bermudashorts

I think you could learn from Joe, who just got on with improving his English. So many native English speakers have to do IELTS these days too, those that are accountants like myself and also those that are short on points. This probably isn't entirely logical, but we just get on with it because it is one of those hoops we have to jump through.

In the case of a non native English speaker, why not see it as an opportunity to improve your English. It will only benefit you once you are in Australia, there is no "if" about whether it is important to speak good, read and write good english or not.

Originally Posted by nimtiaz

It is undoubtedly true that English language proficiency is very important in an english speaking country like Australia. But, getting less scores in IELTS objective sub-tests (reading & listening) do not necessarily mean that someone has less english ability. It depends mostly on practicing enough with applying proper techniques which is not always possible. And also the hardness level is practically different among IELTS sub-tests. Even the psycho-physical condition at the test date may have some impact on the scores. So, from my view point, there should be seperate scores for four different sub-tests as per generalized hardness levels of the sub-tests.

Originally Posted by hamidgamal

I wrote the IELTS test last month to get higher score to get higher priority as accountant ,my agent who is Australian advised me to rewrite it because he believed that my English is very good and he said that previous looks funny for him ,however my second result the same as before . i achieved 7 in both listening and speaking ,5.5 in reading and 5 in writing .that result was big disappointment for me because i felt that i have done great this time ,even i told everyone that i was confident that i will achieve more than 7 .really i don't what went wrong in reading and writing after 2 months of practices get the same result .i have to rewrite the test again on 08/05/2010 hopefully getting higher score to finish up this stress ,it was almost a year since i stared the processing to migrate to Australia as account as i have a bachelor degree in accounting ,any way if i don't get a better result i will not think about Australia ,and i will migrate to Uk as highly skilled migrant after the recent change.

Originally Posted by nimtiaz

Don't loose your confidence level, bcoz it is necessary to get ur desired score. But, it would be better if u can admit that u're not doing up to the mark as per the test requirements.
It's not uncommon that somebody is getting 5.5 while expecting 8+ in the reading sub-test of the GT module just because of making silly mistakes (Academic module is a different story). For writing tasks, u should evaluate ur performance from examinars point of view. Though it's a subjective test, the IELTS authority tried to make it objective as much as possible to avoide evaluation variation among examiners. So, there are sub-sections for marking and u should be well aware of that. Above all, u must write clearly and precisely with making no silly mistakes.
U need a lot of practice by following proper guidelines which will eventually make u truly confident b4 attempting the test again.
Best of luck with ur IELTS.

Originally Posted by hamidgamal

I wrote the IELTS test last month to get higher score to get higher priority as accountant ,my agent who is Australian advised me to rewrite it because he believed that my English is very good and he said that previous looks funny for him ,however my second result the same as before . i achieved 7 in both listening and speaking ,5.5 in reading and 5 in writing .that result was big disappointment for me because i felt that i have done great this time ,even i told everyone that i was confident that i will achieve more than 7 .really i don't what went wrong in reading and writing after 2 months of practices get the same result .i have to rewrite the test again on 08/05/2010 hopefully getting higher score to finish up this stress ,it was almost a year since i stared the processing to migrate to Australia as account as i have a bachelor degree in accounting ,any way if i don't get a better result i will not think about Australia ,and i will migrate to Uk as highly skilled migrant after the recent change.