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Old Apr 2nd 2010 | 1:17 am
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As DIAC has revoked MODL on 8th Feb without any prior notice, many of us are depending on getting 7 band in all modules of IELTS.

Although 6 band in each module is acceptable, yet it does not allow people like me to score 120 points. In reality, 6 in all is not acceptable, and the only option is to get 7 band in all within one IELTS attempt. What kind of stupidity is that?

I have attempted IELTS for 4 times now. In my last attempt I scored 7+ in all modules except in the reading module which was 6.5. I am really pissed off now with DIAC point system.

I even applied for Victoria state sponsorship. The refused my application after one month stating that my experience and skill does not match the current need. On the other hand, I saw many other individuals getting sponsorship even that they were having same skill set as me yet they had lesser experience. I doubt the sponsorship process of the states!

I am kind of losing my interest in moving into a state where entry criteria is illogical.

Thats all. I don't feel like saying anything else.
 
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Originally Posted by oliman
As DIAC has revoked MODL on 8th Feb without any prior notice, many of us are depending on getting 7 band in all modules of IELTS.

Although 6 band in each module is acceptable, yet it does not allow people like me to score 120 points. In reality, 6 in all is not acceptable, and the only option is to get 7 band in all within one IELTS attempt. What kind of stupidity is that?

I have attempted IELTS for 4 times now. In my last attempt I scored 7+ in all modules except in the reading module which was 6.5. I am really pissed off now with DIAC point system.

I even applied for Victoria state sponsorship. The refused my application after one month stating that my experience and skill does not match the current need. On the other hand, I saw many other individuals getting sponsorship even that they were having same skill set as me yet they had lesser experience. I doubt the sponsorship process of the states!

I am kind of losing my interest in moving into a state where entry criteria is illogical.

Thats all. I don't feel like saying anything else.
what is your occupation ?
 
Old Apr 2nd 2010 | 1:58 am
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Specializing in .Net/C#
 
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this is really redeculous how they play with peoples life. Shame on australi's gov
 
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Originally Posted by oliman
As DIAC has revoked MODL on 8th Feb without any prior notice, many of us are depending on getting 7 band in all modules of IELTS.

Although 6 band in each module is acceptable, yet it does not allow people like me to score 120 points. In reality, 6 in all is not acceptable, and the only option is to get 7 band in all within one IELTS attempt. What kind of stupidity is that?
Well Australia is an English speaking country so I think it's a fair requirement that skilled immigrants should be proficient in English.
If I was you I would practice reading and sit the test one more time. You have already proven that you have the skills in the other parts so hopefully could you get the result you wish to have in all bands.

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Old Apr 2nd 2010 | 5:23 am
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Originally Posted by freppe
Well Australia is an English speaking country so I think it's a fair requirement that skilled immigrants should be proficient in English.
If I was you I would practice reading and sit the test one more time. You have already proven that you have the skills in the other parts so hopefully could you get the result you wish to have in all bands.
I agree, and also its not "all in one attempt", if you need to you can resit whenever you like.

Lastly, most IT jobs I see advertised ask for "exceptional communication skills", and I think they mean it...
 
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FYI, the IT job role has minimum level of client interaction involved and mostly you have to deal with the computers, programming languages, network configuration etc, and that is why 6 band in all is also acceptable by DIAC for IT guys.

But guess what! you have to score "7 in all" anyways to get required points, which is generally needed in profession like doctors, accountants etc where high level of interaction with other people is involved.

Don't you feel some contradiction/clash in here?
 
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Originally Posted by oliman
FYI, the IT job role has minimum level of client interaction involved and mostly you have to deal with the computers, programming languages, network configuration etc, and that is why 6 band in all is also acceptable by DIAC for IT guys.

But guess what! you have to score "7 in all" anyways to get required points, which is generally needed in profession like doctors, accountants etc where high level of interaction with other people is involved.

Don't you feel some contradiction/clash in here?
I'm well aware of what an IT job entails, I've worked in technical IT for 24 years, I've been a developer too.

Employers seem to want "communication skills", and they can choose who they employ.

I put .net into seek and got...

" * Must have strong communication and interpersonal skills - able to work within a team"

"Strong communication skills, team player, confidence in your ability to perform at a high standard, and an outstanding attitude would be the icing on the cake"

"Good communication skills "

out of the first 5 matches.

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Old Apr 2nd 2010 | 6:27 am
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Originally Posted by freebo
Employers seem to want "exceptional communication skills", and they can choose who they employ.
How can you claim that? I have been working for companies who had clients in USA, UK, Canada etc. We had telephonic client meetings and I never saw the element of the need of "exceptional communication skills" ever from a developer. Sorry but your reasoning does not justify the need of "exceptional communication skills"!
 
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Originally Posted by oliman
As DIAC has revoked MODL on 8th Feb without any prior notice, many of us are depending on getting 7 band in all modules of IELTS.

Although 6 band in each module is acceptable, yet it does not allow people like me to score 120 points. In reality, 6 in all is not acceptable, and the only option is to get 7 band in all within one IELTS attempt. What kind of stupidity is that?

I have attempted IELTS for 4 times now. In my last attempt I scored 7+ in all modules except in the reading module which was 6.5. I am really pissed off now with DIAC point system.

I even applied for Victoria state sponsorship. The refused my application after one month stating that my experience and skill does not match the current need. On the other hand, I saw many other individuals getting sponsorship even that they were having same skill set as me yet they had lesser experience. I doubt the sponsorship process of the states!

I am kind of losing my interest in moving into a state where entry criteria is illogical.

Thats all. I don't feel like saying anything else.
DIAC is not asking 7 in all. It is YOU who want to get it because of scoring less points then required. You are applying at wrong time I would say. Just wait for some time and let them announce new occupation list and see what chances you have. Where were you when MODL was in place?

Every country has an immigration system according to their needs and we cannot blame them for their system. (USA has worst immigration system in the world but it fits to their needs but not good for us)

I am sure you have not presented your case properly for State sponsorship. They don't know you. YOU need to tell them what skills you have and how much experience you have. Others must have done this better then you that's why they got it. Have a look at your resume/CV and experience letters you provided to them and compare them to those who got the sponsorship.

If I were you, I would have taken this as a challenge and have ended up with IELTS as 8 in each section.
 
Old Apr 2nd 2010 | 7:31 am
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Originally Posted by msabiransari
Where were you when MODL was in place?
I was fishing along with a beautiful lady in a bikini. Of course I was busy in arranging documents and skill assessment, and had no message from heaven to hurry up as MODL would be revoked on 8th Feb!

Originally Posted by msabiransari
You are applying at wrong time I would say. Just wait for some time and let them announce new occupation list and see what chances you have
This is just an assumption and a positive hope! In my opinion, waiting is nothing but a risk, as you said yourself that...
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Where were you when MODL was in place?
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If I were you, I would have taken this as a challenge and have ended up with IELTS as 8 in each section.
Well I haven't given up, neither I said such in any of the post of this thread. It's only that having the options of "competent english" and "proficient english" seems meaningless when you have to score 7 band in all at any case.

Also, I furnished my C.V pretty well before applying for SS. Anyways, I would do what I have to do!
 
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Originally Posted by oliman
I was fishing along with a beautiful lady in a bikini.
You must have not done it my friend. Preparing for IELTS is more important then fishing along a beautiful lady in bikini because DIAC need IELTS.

Well as you said pissed off, It shows you have given up on this.

By the way Did you submit your assessment to Victoria?

I agree things gets change quickly but if you cannot do IELTS then you left with two options either to wait for new CSL or go for SS. You better know what to do.

Cheers,

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Old Apr 2nd 2010 | 8:00 am
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Originally Posted by msabiransari
You must have not done it my friend. Preparing for IELTS is more important then fishing along a beautiful lady in bikini because DIAC need IELTS.

Well as you said pissed off, It shows you have given up on this.

By the way Did you submit your assessment to Victoria?

I agree things gets change quickly but if you cannot do IELTS then you left with two options either to wait for new CSL or go for SS. You better know what to do.

Cheers,

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Hi Sabir,

It's not whether I can do ielts or not, my point is that IELTS with proficient english has become unnecessarily mandatory for a lot of other people now who somehow lack exactly 5 points now.

I did submitted my assessment in my SS application. Anyhow thanks for comentig to my thread.
 
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Originally Posted by oliman
How can you claim that? I have been working for companies who had clients in USA, UK, Canada etc. We had telephonic client meetings and I never saw the element of the need of "exceptional communication skills" ever from a developer. Sorry but your reasoning does not justify the need of "exceptional communication skills"!
Its not my reasoning which is in question, simply what employers want, I'll say it again "employers can choose to employ whombever they want to"
 
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Originally Posted by oliman
FYI, the IT job role has minimum level of client interaction involved and mostly you have to deal with the computers, programming languages, network configuration etc, and that is why 6 band in all is also acceptable by DIAC for IT guys.

But guess what! you have to score "7 in all" anyways to get required points, which is generally needed in profession like doctors, accountants etc where high level of interaction with other people is involved.

Don't you feel some contradiction/clash in here?
Most businesses today have recognized that communication is the key to success. If people cannot communicate effectively internaly and externally then they cannot make a difference and they lose out to competitors who can.

Whilst I understand you are upset, you need to see this from a potential employers perspective rather than your own. Take the emotion out of this and strive to meet their requirements and you will be successful

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