ali south

Jeremy what are non-SOL occupations
Thanks Tara

Rob Morton-Jone

Non SOL occupations are occupations that are not on the SOL (Skilled Ocupations List)

Hope it helps

Rob

kg

The point mentioned earlier by chris1... is very important.

Noosr do recognise b. eds - so use this for points - but it is not recognised otherwise, and therefore it will not be possible to gain employment within the Aussie educ. dept. so this needs to be understood and considered if teachers with B ed qualification think they'll have jobs aplenty waiting for them.

chr1sarter

Just some more clarity on this subject. There is now a 3 year teaching degree being offered by the Government, to get more teachers in the profession quickly. The traditional 4 year course no longer exists. The point raised at the beginning of this thread is valid. Noosr and the Aus Education System only recognise a Teaching Degree if they have spent 4 years obtaining it. The new 3 year course, will not be recognised or granted approval.
If you have the approval from Noosr, then you can teach in Aus. The Aus education system dont recognise B.ed, as the teaching qualification, as they have their own name for their own Degree, but to recognise that you have a teaching qualification. Several threads on this. Generally British Teachers moving to Aus, will have to under take a 5 day course and can only teach in the suburbs for a period of time (Approx 2 years) or in the Metro area as supply only.

gazzer

I received a positive assessment from NOOSR with a BAed (QTS) in Design and Technology. With only three years at college/uni. I also have 5 years post college experience.

although i was concerned about the four year requirement i did risk the application and i received a positive assessment after a couple of months.

NOOSR were great and although had a few questions (mainly my fault). I did send certified copies of my

degree cert,
academic transcript,
a letter confirming i attended the teacher training college (King Afred's were fanastic),
Qualified Teacher Status certificate,
letter from Dfes stating my number,
job description,
references,
CV
birth cert (don't forget that one - like me!)
other FE qualification certs and transcripts.


I thought that the SOL points for a teacher (secondary) is 60, i have seen post on this thread about 50? have i got it wrong?

All the best to those who are worried - i got the recognition with a three year degree (although it was specifically teaching related).

GAz

JAJ

Teacher (Education Officer) is assessed by Vetassess. Different rules to NOOSR, but also different points - 50 rather than 60.

Jeremy

gazzer

Jeremy

thanks - understand

Chr1sarter

Where did you got the info from re brit teachers on supply in Metro for two years? I know what the official line is but:

I know two UK teachers as immigrants - who were on contracts in Perth Suburb Schools as soon after they arrived.

I also met a principle in a Perth school (this summer) who stated the Design and Tech teachers (in my case) are as "rare a rocking horse s**t, and i'll have words with WA ed dept to get you here when you have perm visa". I could never imagine a UK headteacher saying such - it just goes to show how different things in oz are?

Maybe it depends on their needs?

Gaz

jasper pentop

Hi All

I am an Aussie teacher. I did an 18mth postgrad degree after a four year degree. When in the UK I found they were prepared to have me teach because of the shortage but my qualifications, like yours, where not truly recognised.
I was thinking about many of your predicaments - I would suggest updating your skills. Perhaps a one year post grad certificate - that will allow you to teach and I definitely know in SA you are registered and employable. Keep at it though, barriers are only broken down by people who come up against them!

I have found on my return my 3 years in UK havent left me with any additional qualifications. They will count some of my days of teaching towards moving me up a level. I came home because the govt advertised 160 new teaching positions. When they came out they were all for teachers with "brownie points" already in the system or for people who teach foreign languages. Other than a little supply (which I could be doing in blinking UK) I am really enjoying my stint as unemployed. Chin up, I know :P

Good luck with your careers and jobs

chr1sarter

Gaz,
The info about teachers not allowed to work in Metro, was a discussion point on this forum. Many teachers who had just gone over were surpirsed about this. If i can find the thread again i will send it on.

gazzer

chr1sarter

Thanks for info - I think it's a case of wheels within wheels as the expression goes. The previous threads would be interesting to see.

My cousin who works for the WA ed dept explained to me they try to encourage new (oz) qualified teachers start outside of metro or go remote for a couple of years - because basically nobody wants too do the time. They also have a "flying squad" pool of teachers who do anything from 4 weeks to one term in non metro area's particularly in subject shortage areas i.e. Design Technology".

Some more info for everyone in teaching and thinking of WA.

Registered teachers are placed on a WA ed dept database, listing skills, experience, subject etc etc......

A school needs someone the ed dept allocates the school with the person best suited to the position nearest the top of the list. If they don't want to go... the next one down etc etc...

Teachers in WA are now being encouraged to move or seek promotion after 5 years to prevent going stale.

Schools do have the option to select their own teacher if it proves difficult to find someone to fill a position and head teachers do have some influence/say in this type of situation.

In reality like everything else the official line is followed yet in practice there is some flexibility. I'm not suggesting it is going to be easy for any of us on the migration path and i suspect the australian teachers are looked after first.

One of the most interesting aspects of our visit a few months ago in contrast to the UK was how positive and welcoming the principals i met. They proved to be friendly and helpful. They found time to discuss their schools and what I could offer them.

Although I found the "offical line" a worry and concerned that if i did migrate we would end up in the back of beyond. My experinces when visiting proved enlightening. The teachers in Perth seemed a lot more relaxed than the UK. They were down to earth, friendly and most of all welcoming and found time to talk. The pupils/students i met were the same.

Actually all of those ozzies i met in Perth and surrounding areas proved to be a nice bunch of people. In a whole month i only met one miserable individual who turned out to be Eastern European. When we returned to the UK we realised how bloody miserable our fellow county folk are. Whether it's the climate, housing, roads, schools or maybe the whole package. We are going to WA as soon as poss and should have done it years ago.

So for all you teachers out there - don't worry about the "official line", I'm telling you, although the profession has its problems there as well as here. The Ozzies have a different attitude that can only make the prospect of teaching there better than here.

After seeing todays news 17th oct (Tomlinsons recommendations on radical reform in English Education), it looks like we are going to adopt a similar system as the ozzies. Well good luck in say - but i won't be around to see it I'll be in WA!

Gaz

Prince1975

Guys please check out the NOOSR Country education profile. I came to see that BEd degree from Indian Universities are approved by NOOSR as equivalent to the Australian teaching degree.

Meryl

Regulations in Victoria
http://www.vit.vic.edu.au/appreg.htm
Meryl
5 years training
Dip T (Prim) 1972
Dip Spec Ed 1977
G D Student Welfare 1990s
Countless years experience



On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 05:59:47 +0000, Prince1975
<[email protected]> wrote:

    >> I think we have to be careful here, as i dont think these statements
    >> can be true. I certainly dont want to put teachers off applyig. My
    >> wife's B. ed was approved by Noosr, the trade approval body in
    >> Australia as a qualified Teacher without any problems. The education
    >> departments in Aus may not recognise a B.ed but Noosr do.
    >> I'm not sure about the 3 year rule, but i know other teachers on this
    >> forum, may have a better idea.
    >> Best of luck to all Teachers out there.
    >Guys please check out the NOOSR Country education profile. I came to see
    >that BEd degree from Indian Universities are approved by NOOSR as
    >equivalent to the Australian teaching degree.

chr1sarter

Gaz,
I dont think working in the surburbs is that bad. Not sure about how far out of the city the line is drawn. Thanks for your update. Very informative. Checked back through forum, and found serval threads on this subject.

http://britishexpats.com/forum/showt...t=teaching+aus

http://britishexpats.com/forum/showt...teaching+metro

I see that your time line is about one week behind us. Keep us infomred how you get on. If you paid by CC, it should have been charged by now, so check statements on line. One step further.

Cheers

ktd

Hi all,
am a new member to expats but have been reading for a while.
Absolutely gutted as had happily sent off my skilled assessment thinking no probs! This is easy part. Posted it off on monday and then discovered your thread on thursday.
BIG PROBLEM as my teaching degree was only three years despite having taught primary for 5yrs.#
Have spent last week in tears and husband has big shock as we needed 60 points to get our visa.
This has made us think twice about using migration agent, as possib;y we would have been advised on this and are sure there are going to be loads of hiccups like this one.
Feeling very disheartened and just praying that i have a YTS working on my skill ass at NOOSR who doesnt pick up on 3yr major problem

ali south

good luck, you may be fine, please let me know how you get on, talk to Go Matilda, they are great
Tara