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billy0911 Oct 18th 2014 11:51 pm

RRV
 
Hi Guys
Well our wee story is:
We stayed in Australia for two years of the five years but
My mother to seriously ill and passed away while I was on the way back to see her, a few months later
We went back to Scotland on a pre planned trip and saw my in laws were fairly ill, so we decided to go back and to look after them as their was No-one at that time who could do that
A short while later my father in law was diagnosed with angina
Then a short while later my mother in law had a major stroke
And her recovery was slow
Then my father in law had an heart attack and had to have a triple bypass, after that op he collapsed and died but fortunately he was resuscitated
Our permenant residents visa expired last year
What do the members think our chances are of getting an RRV
We do have an agent and she does not think we will get it, just
Hoping she is being pessimistic
The main visa holder will have a job offer

Many thanks in advance

B&V

billy0911 Oct 19th 2014 2:12 am

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Sorry about the grammar I typed this on my phone

old.sparkles Oct 19th 2014 2:13 am

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How long ago did the travel part of your PR visa expire? And how long ago did you leave Australia?

billy0911 Oct 19th 2014 2:40 am

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We left Jan 2009, and it's been just over the five years, as well as my mother passing away (I was on my way back and was in Sydney airport when I found out she passed away) this greatly unsettled us and also my mother's partner passed away after we came back.
The in laws have been extremely ill and not been able to look after themselves, do we have a chance?

old.sparkles Oct 19th 2014 2:49 am

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Originally Posted by billy0911 (Post 11442885)
We left Jan 2009, and it's been just over the five years, as well as my mother passing away (I was on my way back and was in Sydney airport when I found out she passed away) this greatly unsettled us and also my mother's partner passed away after we came back.
The in laws have been extremely ill and not been able to look after themselves, do we have a chance?

Why didn't you apply in 2012?

Either way, I think you have to listen to your agent. All the info on RRV's is here - Resident Return visa (subclasses 155 and 157)

billy0911 Oct 19th 2014 2:53 am

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We did not apply because We were given incorrect advice by an agent

billy0911 Oct 19th 2014 3:00 am

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And how rude of me, thanks for the info Old Sparkles
And yes we will listen to our agent
Just want to have an idea if we MIGHT get the visa or is it dead in the water before we even apply

old.sparkles Oct 19th 2014 3:07 am

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Originally Posted by billy0911 (Post 11442892)
And how rude of me, thanks for the info Old Sparkles
And yes we will listen to our agent
Just want to have an idea if we MIGHT get the visa or is it dead in the water before we even apply

I wouldn't say it's dead in the water - if you look at the link and read the options for those who haven't spent 2 of the last 5 years in Australia you will see that is not a dead cert either

billy0911 Oct 19th 2014 3:11 am

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Don't imagine this helps, but got a high school to accept my son
Daughter has been told she can apply for a nursing course at Tafe, as well as my wife having a job offer, and yes I know the visa is not a cert either

Bermudashorts Oct 19th 2014 4:16 am

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Originally Posted by billy0911 (Post 11442901)
Don't imagine this helps, but got a high school to accept my son
Daughter has been told she can apply for a nursing course at Tafe, as well as my wife having a job offer, and yes I know the visa is not a cert either

Yes you might get a RRV. Or you might not. You will never know and neither will anyone else unless you try. I recommend the person with the job offer tries first of all by themselves. If it is successful the rest of you put in your applications.

As you have left it over five years, you will have to show compelling reasons for your absence. I guess you will have no choice but to see if your family situation will work, but to be honest that is a simple fact of migration, that is that family members can become ill and maybe even die.

billy0911 Oct 19th 2014 4:22 am

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Yes I agree with your sentiments BS

billy0911 Nov 25th 2014 1:06 am

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Hi all
Well that's our RRV application submitted, my wife got a job offer, my daughter has been told she can go to Tafe for general nursing all providing we get the visa,
so hears hoping

B & V

old.sparkles Nov 25th 2014 1:31 am

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Originally Posted by billy0911 (Post 11483123)
Hi all
Well that's our RRV application submitted, my wife got a job offer, my daughter has been told she can go to Tafe for general nursing all providing we get the visa,
so hears hoping

B & V

:fingerscrossed: for you all :)

slackbloke Nov 25th 2014 2:33 am

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Originally Posted by billy0911 (Post 11442885)
We left Jan 2009, and it's been just over the five years, as well as my mother passing away (I was on my way back and was in Sydney airport when I found out she passed away) this greatly unsettled us and also my mother's partner passed away after we came back.
The in laws have been extremely ill and not been able to look after themselves, do we have a chance?

I'm just wondered about your timeline; you said you spent two years out of five in Australia and left in Jan 2009, but your PR (or the travel part of it) expired last year, which means it would have started in 2008? Were you on a different visa at the start?

billy0911 Nov 25th 2014 3:04 am

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Hi SB.
Our old visa (139) has expired, our agent is not hopeful but says you never know, we have an excellent supporting statement, however we are expecting a no, but still hoping,

slackbloke Nov 25th 2014 3:20 am

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Originally Posted by billy0911 (Post 11483184)
Hi SB.
Our old visa (139) has expired, our agent is not hopeful but says you never know, we have an excellent supporting statement, however we are expecting a no, but still hoping,

OK, never heard of that one. Presumably the job offer is not one that could be a sponsored visa job?

billy0911 Nov 25th 2014 3:25 am

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No don't think so, as I said chances are slim which is why we are only putting through an application for my wife

Bermudashorts Nov 25th 2014 3:31 am

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Originally Posted by billy0911 (Post 11483188)
No don't think so, as I said chances are slim which is why we are only putting through an application for my wife

I have seen RRVs being granted when it appears on paper that it should not be, so I think it could go either way to be honest. Now I am confused about your timeline though, you left in 2009, but when did the visa expire? Just curious really, but the more recently it expired, the better your chances I think.

billy0911 Nov 25th 2014 3:37 am

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What happened to my signature?
Anyway it expired January/February this year

billy0911 Nov 25th 2014 3:37 am

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What happened to my signature?
Anyway it expired January/February this year

billy0911 Nov 25th 2014 3:38 am

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Oh the Agent did say IF we get the visa it would be a 3 month one, which is fine

Pollyana Nov 25th 2014 3:47 am

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Originally Posted by billy0911 (Post 11483192)
What happened to my signature?
Anyway it expired January/February this year

Checked your profile and the signature box is blank so it looks like you removed it :confused:

billy0911 Nov 25th 2014 3:56 am

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Perhaps in a moment of despair/drunk/idiot or a combination of all three

Pollyana Nov 25th 2014 5:06 am

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Originally Posted by billy0911 (Post 11483202)
Perhaps in a moment of despair/drunk/idiot or a combination of all three

:lol::thumbup:

billy0911 Nov 26th 2014 10:57 pm

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Originally Posted by slackbloke (Post 11483168)
I'm just wondered about your timeline; you said you spent two years out of five in Australia and left in Jan 2009, but your PR (or the travel part of it) expired last year, which means it would have started in 2008? Were you on a different visa at the start?

Hi SB
sorry for late reply, we got our visa in 2006, and we moved to Brisbane 9th Nov 2006. We came back to Scotland February 2009.

B & V

slackbloke Nov 26th 2014 11:24 pm

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Originally Posted by billy0911 (Post 11485396)
Hi SB
sorry for late reply, we got our visa in 2006, and we moved to Brisbane 9th Nov 2006. We came back to Scotland February 2009.

B & V

No probs, I think what is confusing me is how long the travel part of the visa was valid for i.e. what was the last date of entry to Australia? You got the visa in 2006 but it expired this year 2014 which means it was valid for 8 years? Is that right? I was working on the assumption it would be 5 years like the 175.

billy0911 Nov 26th 2014 11:33 pm

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Originally Posted by slackbloke (Post 11485419)
No probs, I think what is confusing me is how long the travel part of the visa was valid for i.e. what was the last date of entry to Australia? You got the visa in 2006 but it expired this year 2014 which means it was valid for 8 years? Is that right? I was working on the assumption it would be 5 years like the 175.

Hi
we have been back in the UK 5 years 9 months.
so we are basically 9 months out which is why we are not holding our breath

B & V

slackbloke Nov 26th 2014 11:49 pm

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Originally Posted by billy0911 (Post 11485425)
Hi
we have been back in the UK 5 years 9 months.
so we are basically 9 months out which is why we are not holding our breath

B & V

Hmmm I think you may have some mis-understanding there. Your last entry date for your visa was 2011 based on previous posts, so that was when it expired. You would have been eligible for a 5 year RRV at any point 3 years after you returned to the UK so you're 2 years 9 months out.
Sorry, that doesn't help you, but perhaps your agent is not really explaining it very well.

Bermudashorts Nov 27th 2014 12:35 am

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Originally Posted by billy0911 (Post 11485425)
Hi
we have been back in the UK 5 years 9 months.
so we are basically 9 months out which is why we are not holding our breath

B & V

Slackbloke asked when your visa expired, not how long you have been back in the UK.

You earlier said your visa expired in February? But if you got it in 2006, it would have expired in 2011 and then if you got another one at that point, it will not expire until 2016.

It is a little bit tricky to comment on this thread when you are being so unclear around dates ... did you get a 5 year RRV as you left Australia in 2009?

billy0911 Nov 27th 2014 12:51 am

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I will get the exact dates in the morning
Sorry for any confusion

B & V

billy0911 Nov 27th 2014 1:02 am

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A wee copy & paste from email from agent
The regulations are that you must apply within 5 years from your last departure date from Australia. And I am over that by about 7 months

old.sparkles Nov 27th 2014 1:11 am

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Originally Posted by billy0911 (Post 11485523)
A wee copy & paste from email from agent
The regulations are that you must apply within 5 years from your last departure date from Australia. And I am over that by about 7 months

A wee copy and paste from RRV Page, DIBP website


Subclass 155 Resident Return visa

You might be able to be granted this visa if you:
•have spent a period totalling two years in the last five years in Australia as either an Australian permanent resident or citizen (the 'residence requirement').
•have not spent two of the last five years in Australia as a permanent resident or citizen, but can satisfy the processing officer that you have substantial business, cultural, employment or personal ties of benefit to Australia, and:
◦are lodging while in Australia and can show compelling reasons for any continuous absence from Australia of more than five years;
◦are lodging while overseas, were a permanent resident or citizen when you last departed Australia and can show compelling reasons for any continuous absence from Australia of more than five years;
◦are lodging while overseas, were a permanent resident or citizen in the last 10 years and can show compelling reasons for absence(s) over five years;
•have not spent two of the last five years in Australia as a permanent resident or citizen, but are the partner or dependent family member of a person who holds a subclass 155 visa, or who has also applied for a Resident Return visa and satisfies criteria for grant.
(The bold is my highlighting)

Page here - Resident Return visa (subclasses 155 and 157)

Bermudashorts Nov 27th 2014 1:20 am

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Originally Posted by billy0911 (Post 11485523)
A wee copy & paste from email from agent
The regulations are that you must apply within 5 years from your last departure date from Australia. And I am over that by about 7 months

Well your agent is wrong.

You need to show compelling reasons for your absence if you are outside Australia for more than five years.

It would still be interesting to get those dates cleared up. We know you left Australia February 2009.

But it is not clear when your visa expired because the dates you have given for visa grant and visa expiry do not stack up.

billy0911 Nov 27th 2014 1:20 am

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Yip OS that goes with what she has said, as I said i think it's doubtful but we can only try

billy0911 Nov 27th 2014 1:27 am

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Hi OS, that seems to agree with what she has said and nothing is ever guaranteed, we have put a supporting statement giving compelling reasons etc
And we have just submitted the application for my wife, as we think we will get refused so only one lot of money at risk.
I would like to thank you for your Input and I will put the dates of the original visa up tomorrow.
I will say though the agent has been brilliant

billy0911 Nov 27th 2014 2:25 pm

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Originally Posted by billy0911 (Post 11485543)
Hi OS, that seems to agree with what she has said and nothing is ever guaranteed, we have put a supporting statement giving compelling reasons etc
And we have just submitted the application for my wife, as we think we will get refused so only one lot of money at risk.
I would like to thank you for your Input and I will put the dates of the original visa up tomorrow.
I will say though the agent has been brilliant

Visa was granted 29 June 06, with initial entry by 11 Nov 06

Bermudashorts Nov 27th 2014 6:24 pm

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Originally Posted by billy0911 (Post 11486107)
Visa was granted 29 June 06, with initial entry by 11 Nov 06

So it expired in June 2011, not February 2014 as you stated earlier?

You haven't applied for a RRV previously?

billy0911 Nov 27th 2014 6:30 pm

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Feb 2014 I was then out of the country for 5 years
And no did not apply for RRV

Scotty1 Nov 27th 2014 8:54 pm

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Billy - this does not make sense. I was granted a 139 before you. My visa label has an initial entry date, but it also has a sentence that says Must not arrive after 5 Nov 10, exactly 5 years after the visa was granted. Are you certain that your "must not arrive after" date is Feb 2014 rather than June 2011?
The main way that it could be Feb 14 is if you applied for a RRV, say when you were going back to the uk, and were granted one? However if that were the case your 139 visa would have a "label inoperative" stamped on it?
Regardless fingers crossed for you getting one

Bermudashorts Nov 27th 2014 9:47 pm

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Originally Posted by Scotty1 (Post 11486409)
Billy - this does not make sense. I was granted a 139 before you. My visa label has an initial entry date, but it also has a sentence that says Must not arrive after 5 Nov 10, exactly 5 years after the visa was granted. Are you certain that your "must not arrive after" date is Feb 2014 rather than June 2011?
The main way that it could be Feb 14 is if you applied for a RRV, say when you were going back to the uk, and were granted one? However if that were the case your 139 visa would have a "label inoperative" stamped on it?
Regardless fingers crossed for you getting one

:lol: I have been trying to establish this for days, so has slackbloke. I think billy is very, very confused about visas.

But I am slowly deducing that there is no relevance to the February 2014 date previously given, other than that is the five year anniversary of leaving the country.


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