Recognised ACS IT Qualifications. Help Needed.
Nov 27th 2003, 6:37 pm
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Recognised ACS IT Qualifications. Help Needed.
Hi,
Can anyone provide me with a list of the qualifications that the ACS will accept as part of the assessment when trying to obtain a skilled migrant visa on an IT application developer stream. The reason I ask is that I am a Java/J2EE developer with 5.5 yrs exp and I have been told that unless I obtain a formal qualification eg.
1. MSc in computing (will take 2-3 years to obtain part time)
2. Become a Microsoft Certified Systems Developer (I am Java/J2EE eg Sun Microsystems)
3. Wait another three years, by which time I can become a member of the British Computing Society.
I am really suprised that they do not accept SUN Microsystem certification for us Java/J2EE developers. I have seen plenty of job on www.jobserve.com.au where they are looking for Java developers.
Any help welcomed.
Thanks
Justin
Can anyone provide me with a list of the qualifications that the ACS will accept as part of the assessment when trying to obtain a skilled migrant visa on an IT application developer stream. The reason I ask is that I am a Java/J2EE developer with 5.5 yrs exp and I have been told that unless I obtain a formal qualification eg.
1. MSc in computing (will take 2-3 years to obtain part time)
2. Become a Microsoft Certified Systems Developer (I am Java/J2EE eg Sun Microsystems)
3. Wait another three years, by which time I can become a member of the British Computing Society.
I am really suprised that they do not accept SUN Microsystem certification for us Java/J2EE developers. I have seen plenty of job on www.jobserve.com.au where they are looking for Java developers.
Any help welcomed.
Thanks
Justin
Nov 27th 2003, 7:15 pm
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Re: Recognised ACS IT Qualifications. Help Needed.
Originally posted by flanagaj
I am really suprised that they do not accept SUN Microsystem certification for us Java/J2EE developers. I have seen plenty of job on www.jobserve.com.au where they are looking for Java developers.
Justin
I am really suprised that they do not accept SUN Microsystem certification for us Java/J2EE developers. I have seen plenty of job on www.jobserve.com.au where they are looking for Java developers.
Justin
If they don't accept SUN certification, there's no other way for you to get positive assessment now. And, you know, the alternatives left for you will take time.
Regards.
Afzalulh
Nov 27th 2003, 8:39 pm
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Re: Recognised ACS IT Qualifications. Help Needed.
Originally posted by afzalulh
You can mail ACS to be sure.
If they don't accept SUN certification, there's no other way for you to get positive assessment now. And, you know, the alternatives left for you will take time.
Regards.
Afzalulh
You can mail ACS to be sure.
If they don't accept SUN certification, there's no other way for you to get positive assessment now. And, you know, the alternatives left for you will take time.
Regards.
Afzalulh
What worries me is if I have no choice but to embark on a lengthy educational course only to finish the course and find that IT is no longer worth 60 points.
Nov 27th 2003, 10:40 pm
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Re: Recognised ACS IT Qualifications. Help Needed.
Hi Justin
>On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 19:37:48 +0000, flanagaj <member18199@british_expats.com> wrote:
>Hi,
>Can anyone provide me with a list of the qualifications that the ACS
>will accept as part of the assessment when trying to obtain a skilled
>migrant visa on an IT application developer stream. The reason I ask is
>that I am a Java/J2EE developer with 5.5 yrs exp and I have been told
>that unless I obtain a formal qualification eg.
>1. MSc in computing (will take 2-3 years to obtain part time)
>2. Become a Microsoft Certified Systems Developer (I am Java/J2EE eg
> Sun Microsystems)
>3. Wait another three years, by which time I can become a member of the
> British Computing Society.
There's also option 4, which is applying for an ACS assessment via
Recognised Prior Learning. You do need 6 years professional IT
experience at least for this, as you have a degree (it would otherwise
be 8).
Alternatively, if you can discover either 20% IT content in your
existing degree, or become an MCSE, you can apply for standard skill
assessment once you have 6 years professional IT experience.
>I am really suprised that they do not accept SUN Microsystem
>certification for us Java/J2EE developers. I have seen plenty of job on
>www.jobserve.com.au where they are looking for Java
>developers.
ACS only recognised corporate certifications where they have been
asked to assess them by the company concerned. Microsoft, Novell and
Lotus have had some of their certifications accredited by ACS, while
other companies have not. I understand that some people have asked
Cisco to approach ACS to get Cisco certificates accredited, but I've
no idea what the latest situation is.
Maybe ask Sun if they can approach ACS the way others have?
Jeremy
This is not intended to be legal advice in any jurisdiction
>On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 19:37:48 +0000, flanagaj <member18199@british_expats.com> wrote:
>Hi,
>Can anyone provide me with a list of the qualifications that the ACS
>will accept as part of the assessment when trying to obtain a skilled
>migrant visa on an IT application developer stream. The reason I ask is
>that I am a Java/J2EE developer with 5.5 yrs exp and I have been told
>that unless I obtain a formal qualification eg.
>1. MSc in computing (will take 2-3 years to obtain part time)
>2. Become a Microsoft Certified Systems Developer (I am Java/J2EE eg
> Sun Microsystems)
>3. Wait another three years, by which time I can become a member of the
> British Computing Society.
There's also option 4, which is applying for an ACS assessment via
Recognised Prior Learning. You do need 6 years professional IT
experience at least for this, as you have a degree (it would otherwise
be 8).
Alternatively, if you can discover either 20% IT content in your
existing degree, or become an MCSE, you can apply for standard skill
assessment once you have 6 years professional IT experience.
>I am really suprised that they do not accept SUN Microsystem
>certification for us Java/J2EE developers. I have seen plenty of job on
>www.jobserve.com.au where they are looking for Java
>developers.
ACS only recognised corporate certifications where they have been
asked to assess them by the company concerned. Microsoft, Novell and
Lotus have had some of their certifications accredited by ACS, while
other companies have not. I understand that some people have asked
Cisco to approach ACS to get Cisco certificates accredited, but I've
no idea what the latest situation is.
Maybe ask Sun if they can approach ACS the way others have?
Jeremy
This is not intended to be legal advice in any jurisdiction
Nov 28th 2003, 5:43 am
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Re: Recognised ACS IT Qualifications. Help Needed.
Originally posted by Jaj
There's also option 4, which is applying for an ACS assessment via
Recognised Prior Learning. You do need 6 years professional IT
experience at least for this, as you have a degree (it would otherwise
be 8).
There's also option 4, which is applying for an ACS assessment via
Recognised Prior Learning. You do need 6 years professional IT
experience at least for this, as you have a degree (it would otherwise
be 8).
I imagine the applying via the RPL route has less chance of success than the routes where I have a formally recognised qualification ?
Dec 1st 2003, 8:17 am
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Re: Recognised ACS IT Qualifications. Help Needed.
Applying via RPL involves more work on your part than standard skill
assessment - as you need to prove your learning through a detailed
report, as opposed to simply providing evidence of your qualifications
and work experience (which you need to do too as part of RPL).
Many people successfully go through the RPL process once they meet the
ACS requirements. You could consider hiring an agent familiar with
ACS processes if you feel you need assistance, but the RPL itself can
only be written by you. And you do need at least the minimum amount
of professional IT experience.
Once you have an ACS assessment, you are on a par as far as DIMIA are
concerned with anyone else who has gone through the ACS skill
assessment process via a different route.
Jeremy
>On Fri, 28 Nov 2003 06:43:36 +0000, flanagaj <member18199@british_expats.com> wrote:
>Originally posted by Jaj
>> There's also option 4, which is applying for an ACS assessment via
>> Recognised Prior Learning. You do need 6 years professional IT
>> experience at least for this, as you have a degree (it would otherwise be 8).
>I imagine the applying via the RPL route has less chance of success than
>the routes where I have a formally recognised qualification ?
>--
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This is not intended to be legal advice in any jurisdiction
assessment - as you need to prove your learning through a detailed
report, as opposed to simply providing evidence of your qualifications
and work experience (which you need to do too as part of RPL).
Many people successfully go through the RPL process once they meet the
ACS requirements. You could consider hiring an agent familiar with
ACS processes if you feel you need assistance, but the RPL itself can
only be written by you. And you do need at least the minimum amount
of professional IT experience.
Once you have an ACS assessment, you are on a par as far as DIMIA are
concerned with anyone else who has gone through the ACS skill
assessment process via a different route.
Jeremy
>On Fri, 28 Nov 2003 06:43:36 +0000, flanagaj <member18199@british_expats.com> wrote:
>Originally posted by Jaj
>> There's also option 4, which is applying for an ACS assessment via
>> Recognised Prior Learning. You do need 6 years professional IT
>> experience at least for this, as you have a degree (it would otherwise be 8).
>I imagine the applying via the RPL route has less chance of success than
>the routes where I have a formally recognised qualification ?
>--
>Posted via http://britishexpats.com
This is not intended to be legal advice in any jurisdiction
Dec 1st 2003, 10:03 am
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Re: Recognised ACS IT Qualifications. Help Needed.
Originally posted by Jaj
Applying via RPL involves more work on your part than standard skill
assessment - as you need to prove your learning through a detailed
report, as opposed to simply providing evidence of your qualifications
and work experience (which you need to do too as part of RPL).
Many people successfully go through the RPL process once they meet the
ACS requirements. You could consider hiring an agent familiar with
ACS processes if you feel you need assistance, but the RPL itself can
only be written by you. And you do need at least the minimum amount
of professional IT experience.
Once you have an ACS assessment, you are on a par as far as DIMIA are
concerned with anyone else who has gone through the ACS skill
assessment process via a different route.
Jeremy
>On Fri, 28 Nov 2003 06:43:36 +0000, flanagaj <member18199@british_expats.com> wrote:
>Originally posted by Jaj
>> There's also option 4, which is applying for an ACS assessment via
>> Recognised Prior Learning. You do need 6 years professional IT
>> experience at least for this, as you have a degree (it would otherwise be 8).
>I imagine the applying via the RPL route has less chance of success than
>the routes where I have a formally recognised qualification ?
>--
>Posted via http://britishexpats.com
This is not intended to be legal advice in any jurisdiction
Applying via RPL involves more work on your part than standard skill
assessment - as you need to prove your learning through a detailed
report, as opposed to simply providing evidence of your qualifications
and work experience (which you need to do too as part of RPL).
Many people successfully go through the RPL process once they meet the
ACS requirements. You could consider hiring an agent familiar with
ACS processes if you feel you need assistance, but the RPL itself can
only be written by you. And you do need at least the minimum amount
of professional IT experience.
Once you have an ACS assessment, you are on a par as far as DIMIA are
concerned with anyone else who has gone through the ACS skill
assessment process via a different route.
Jeremy
>On Fri, 28 Nov 2003 06:43:36 +0000, flanagaj <member18199@british_expats.com> wrote:
>Originally posted by Jaj
>> There's also option 4, which is applying for an ACS assessment via
>> Recognised Prior Learning. You do need 6 years professional IT
>> experience at least for this, as you have a degree (it would otherwise be 8).
>I imagine the applying via the RPL route has less chance of success than
>the routes where I have a formally recognised qualification ?
>--
>Posted via http://britishexpats.com
This is not intended to be legal advice in any jurisdiction
Dec 1st 2003, 4:43 pm
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Re: Recognised ACS IT Qualifications. Help Needed.
I went down the RPL route last year, it does take a lot of effort on your part.
I had to send off references, original training certificates, detailed job descriptions and ultimately a sworn affidavit from a Solicitors office, but after a quite lengthy process I did receive accreditation.
The ACS are quite helpful but only seemed to respond to one email and don't seem to want to get involved in long dialogue. The trick is to include as many questions as you can in the email you send.
The most recent email address I had for the ACS was as follows:-
[email protected]
Big Ears.
I had to send off references, original training certificates, detailed job descriptions and ultimately a sworn affidavit from a Solicitors office, but after a quite lengthy process I did receive accreditation.
The ACS are quite helpful but only seemed to respond to one email and don't seem to want to get involved in long dialogue. The trick is to include as many questions as you can in the email you send.
The most recent email address I had for the ACS was as follows:-
[email protected]
Big Ears.
Dec 1st 2003, 7:11 pm
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Re: Recognised ACS IT Qualifications. Help Needed.
Originally posted by Big Ears
I went down the RPL route last year, it does take a lot of effort on your part.
I had to send off references, original training certificates, detailed job descriptions and ultimately a sworn affidavit from a Solicitors office, but after a quite lengthy process I did receive accreditation.
The ACS are quite helpful but only seemed to respond to one email and don't seem to want to get involved in long dialogue. The trick is to include as many questions as you can in the email you send.
The most recent email address I had for the ACS was as follows:-
[email protected]
Big Ears.
I went down the RPL route last year, it does take a lot of effort on your part.
I had to send off references, original training certificates, detailed job descriptions and ultimately a sworn affidavit from a Solicitors office, but after a quite lengthy process I did receive accreditation.
The ACS are quite helpful but only seemed to respond to one email and don't seem to want to get involved in long dialogue. The trick is to include as many questions as you can in the email you send.
The most recent email address I had for the ACS was as follows:-
[email protected]
Big Ears.
Dec 1st 2003, 7:29 pm
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Re: Recognised ACS IT Qualifications. Help Needed.
Hi flanagaj,
I made my RPL mid year and obtained possitive assessment in about 6 weeks... it required a lot of effort but was not impossible by any means.
I´m know waiting for my Visa (meds and police checks on their way) and can tell you that RPL was the most difficult part of thye process in my case.
Good luck in yours!...
I made my RPL mid year and obtained possitive assessment in about 6 weeks... it required a lot of effort but was not impossible by any means.
I´m know waiting for my Visa (meds and police checks on their way) and can tell you that RPL was the most difficult part of thye process in my case.
Good luck in yours!...
Originally posted by flanagaj
Many Thanks. Have you obtained your visa yet ? If so was the RPL the toughest step ?
Many Thanks. Have you obtained your visa yet ? If so was the RPL the toughest step ?
Dec 1st 2003, 8:15 pm
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Originally posted by evila
Hi flanagaj,
I made my RPL mid year and obtained possitive assessment in about 6 weeks... it required a lot of effort but was not impossible by any means.
I´m know waiting for my Visa (meds and police checks on their way) and can tell you that RPL was the most difficult part of thye process in my case.
Good luck in yours!...
Hi flanagaj,
I made my RPL mid year and obtained possitive assessment in about 6 weeks... it required a lot of effort but was not impossible by any means.
I´m know waiting for my Visa (meds and police checks on their way) and can tell you that RPL was the most difficult part of thye process in my case.
Good luck in yours!...
Dec 1st 2003, 8:16 pm
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Re: Recognised ACS IT Qualifications. Help Needed.
Originally posted by evila
Hi flanagaj,
I made my RPL mid year and obtained possitive assessment in about 6 weeks... it required a lot of effort but was not impossible by any means.
Hi flanagaj,
I made my RPL mid year and obtained possitive assessment in about 6 weeks... it required a lot of effort but was not impossible by any means.
Dec 1st 2003, 8:41 pm
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Re: Recognised ACS IT Qualifications. Help Needed.
I'm a MCSD, have a Diploma in Computer Science and 8+ years experience. I was not sure about the MSCD, as ACS may not count it as diploma equivalent, I tried for RPL. Got positive assessment within 3 weeks!
Only problem I had with the section 3 of the RPL form. But experts of this forum helped me enough to fill it.
Cheers!
afzalulh
Only problem I had with the section 3 of the RPL form. But experts of this forum helped me enough to fill it.
Cheers!
afzalulh
Dec 1st 2003, 9:30 pm
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Originally posted by afzalulh
I'm a MCSD, have a Diploma in Computer Science and 8+ years experience. I was not sure about the MSCD, as ACS may not count it as diploma equivalent, I tried for RPL. Got positive assessment within 3 weeks!
Only problem I had with the section 3 of the RPL form. But experts of this forum helped me enough to fill it.
Cheers!
afzalulh
I'm a MCSD, have a Diploma in Computer Science and 8+ years experience. I was not sure about the MSCD, as ACS may not count it as diploma equivalent, I tried for RPL. Got positive assessment within 3 weeks!
Only problem I had with the section 3 of the RPL form. But experts of this forum helped me enough to fill it.
Cheers!
afzalulh
I was told by a migration expert that an MCSD is an ACS recognised qualification, so that would have definately helped your RPL.
o you know if you can apply for RPL before putting in your visa app. The only reason I ask is that I think getting a positive assessment on the RPL could go one way or the other for me due to my skills. ie BSc Chem deg, 6 yrs IT exp (no formal IT quals)
Dec 2nd 2003, 10:40 am
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Re: Recognised ACS IT Qualifications. Help Needed.
Originally posted by flanagaj
afzalulh,
I was told by a migration expert that an MCSD is an ACS recognised qualification, so that would have definately helped your RPL.
o you know if you can apply for RPL before putting in your visa app. The only reason I ask is that I think getting a positive assessment on the RPL could go one way or the other for me due to my skills. ie BSc Chem deg, 6 yrs IT exp (no formal IT quals)
afzalulh,
I was told by a migration expert that an MCSD is an ACS recognised qualification, so that would have definately helped your RPL.
o you know if you can apply for RPL before putting in your visa app. The only reason I ask is that I think getting a positive assessment on the RPL could go one way or the other for me due to my skills. ie BSc Chem deg, 6 yrs IT exp (no formal IT quals)
You can definitely apply for RPL before putting in your visa application. I have not as yet entered a visa application but have received my accreditation from ACS and coding to use on the visa application form.
In fact I was under the impression that I would need this accreditation from ACS before I could complete my visa application (although don't quote me on this as I may be wrong.)