Johannes Kokkila

Hello,

I have applied for Occupational Training Visa and it is now in process in
Australia, but I will not get it ready untill I should be on my way. So is
it by any means possible to apply for e.g. tourist visa and change it to
Occupational Training Visa after I arrive in Australia? Assuming that I have
all the papers are in order.

I'm from Finland

- Jossu -

Jaj

1. If you're from Finland you can get an ETA instead of a standard
tourist visa.

2. Where did you apply for your visa? (I presume at a DIMIA office
outside Australia).

3. If you've applied for your visa offshore, you need to be offshore
at time of grant. That often means a trip to Singapore or New
Zealand.

4. Make sure the office dealing with your Occupation Trainee visa
application knows about your proposed travel to Australia and if you
do want your visa granted elsewhere you need to tell them.

5. Most temporary visas are processed quite quickly - why do you
think you'll need to go to Australia first?

6. If you go to Australia on an ETA, you cannot start the work you
plan to do until the occupational trainee visa (subclass 442) is in
your passport.

Jeremy

    >On Thu, 28 Nov 2002 05:45:24 +0200, "Johannes Kokkila" wrote:
    >Hello,
    >I have applied for Occupational Training Visa and it is now in process in
    >Australia, but I will not get it ready untill I should be on my way. So is
    >it by any means possible to apply for e.g. tourist visa and change it to
    >Occupational Training Visa after I arrive in Australia? Assuming that I have
    >all the papers are in order.
    >I'm from Finland
    >- Jossu -

This is not intended to be legal advice in any jurisdiction

Johannes Kokkila

1. Actually I ment this ETA...

2. Form 913 about Nomination for occupational training is now in process in
the Immigration Department in Australia. If my application is approved, I
will received a 147 application for a temporary (non business) visa.

Then I'm supposed take this form to my nearest Australian Embassy (in
Berlin) --> I'll be issued with a sub class 442 Occupational Training Visa
to enter Australia. This is the part I had planned to do in Sydney after
arrival.

4. How can I do this... is there a form for this or will I just inform
off-the-records.

5. The thing is that I've planned (with my friend) to travel a bit around
Asia (from 13th of Jan to 21st of Feb) before going to Australia. We
allready booked our flights in September. Then there came some delays (not
my fault ) and the visa process started not untill this week. I've heard
that the part of process that is now going on now in Australia might take
even 8 weeks. After that I certainly do not have time to send my passport to
Berlin... So I will have the papers but no sub class 442 Occupational
Training Visa.

6. I am not working in Sydney... I'll be at the University of Sydeny as a
trainee or more like an unofficial exchange student... I will not get payed
of anything...

thanks,
Johannes


"JAJ" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > 1. If you're from Finland you can get an ETA instead of a standard
    > tourist visa.
    > 2. Where did you apply for your visa? (I presume at a DIMIA office
    > outside Australia).
    > 3. If you've applied for your visa offshore, you need to be offshore
    > at time of grant. That often means a trip to Singapore or New
    > Zealand.
    > 4. Make sure the office dealing with your Occupation Trainee visa
    > application knows about your proposed travel to Australia and if you
    > do want your visa granted elsewhere you need to tell them.
    > 5. Most temporary visas are processed quite quickly - why do you
    > think you'll need to go to Australia first?
    > 6. If you go to Australia on an ETA, you cannot start the work you
    > plan to do until the occupational trainee visa (subclass 442) is in
    > your passport.
    > Jeremy
    > >On Thu, 28 Nov 2002 05:45:24 +0200, "Johannes Kokkila"
wrote:
    > >
    > >Hello,
    > >
    > >I have applied for Occupational Training Visa and it is now in process in
    > >Australia, but I will not get it ready untill I should be on my way. So
is
    > >it by any means possible to apply for e.g. tourist visa and change it to
    > >Occupational Training Visa after I arrive in Australia? Assuming that I
have
    > >all the papers are in order.
    > >
    > >I'm from Finland
    > >
    > >- Jossu -
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > This is not intended to be legal advice in any jurisdiction

Jaj

Why isn't the University of Sydney helping you with your visa
application then?

You've not even applied for a visa at this stage. Once the nomination
is approved, you can apply for a visa at the nearest Australian
embassy, although it's best to do so I would think in a developed
country (Singapore, Auckland etc). You do not need to apply through
Berlin.

If the nomination is approved after you arrive in Australia, you
should be able to apply at a DIMIA office in Australia. You can get
your visa onshore in this case.

Be careful on arriving in Australia - if they think you're planning to
work and haven't got a visa to do so, you can be refused entry.
Ideally you shuld try to get your 442 visa before you arrive.

Jeremy

    >On Fri, 29 Nov 2002 08:58:43 +0200, "Johannes Kokkila" wrote:

    >1. Actually I ment this ETA...
    >2. Form 913 about Nomination for occupational training is now in process in
    >the Immigration Department in Australia. If my application is approved, I
    >will received a 147 application for a temporary (non business) visa.
    >Then I'm supposed take this form to my nearest Australian Embassy (in
    >Berlin) --> I'll be issued with a sub class 442 Occupational Training Visa
    >to enter Australia. This is the part I had planned to do in Sydney after
    >arrival.

This is not intended to be legal advice in any jurisdiction

Johannes Kokkila

Actually the University is helping. They are the ones that have sent my
papers to the Immigration Department and told what papers to fill... but as
I said I'm unofficial exchange student.



Have you any idea how long would it take to get the visa lets say from
Singapore? I'm in any case going to visit Singapore two times before going
to Australia and there will be about one month between those visits.



This 442 visa doesn't allow me to work. So it's quite the same do I have ETA
or 442 visa when we talk about working, am I right?


- Johannes -

"JAJ" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > Why isn't the University of Sydney helping you with your visa
    > application then?
    > You've not even applied for a visa at this stage. Once the nomination
    > is approved, you can apply for a visa at the nearest Australian
    > embassy, although it's best to do so I would think in a developed
    > country (Singapore, Auckland etc). You do not need to apply through
    > Berlin.
    > If the nomination is approved after you arrive in Australia, you
    > should be able to apply at a DIMIA office in Australia. You can get
    > your visa onshore in this case.
    > Be careful on arriving in Australia - if they think you're planning to
    > work and haven't got a visa to do so, you can be refused entry.
    > Ideally you shuld try to get your 442 visa before you arrive.
    > Jeremy
    > >On Fri, 29 Nov 2002 08:58:43 +0200, "Johannes Kokkila"
wrote:
    > >1. Actually I ment this ETA...
    > >
    > >2. Form 913 about Nomination for occupational training is now in process
in
    > >the Immigration Department in Australia. If my application is approved, I
    > >will received a 147 application for a temporary (non business) visa.
    > >
    > >Then I'm supposed take this form to my nearest Australian Embassy (in
    > >Berlin) --> I'll be issued with a sub class 442 Occupational Training
Visa
    > >to enter Australia. This is the part I had planned to do in Sydney after
    > >arrival.
    > This is not intended to be legal advice in any jurisdiction

Jaj

    >On Fri, 29 Nov 2002 20:20:41 +0200, "Johannes Kokkila" wrote:
    >Actually the University is helping. They are the ones that have sent my
    >papers to the Immigration Department and told what papers to fill... but as
    >I said I'm unofficial exchange student.


The 442 visa is for workplace based training.
If you're going to be a student, why are you not applying for a
student visa.

    >Have you any idea how long would it take to get the visa lets say from
    >Singapore? I'm in any case going to visit Singapore two times before going
    >to Australia and there will be about one month between those visits.

I've no idea. And you should not expect the Department to change it's
processing times to suit your travel plans.

    >This 442 visa doesn't allow me to work. So it's quite the same do I have ETA
    >or 442 visa when we talk about working, am I right?

You CANNOT work on an ETA, nor can you do the kind of workplace based
training that the 442 visa permits.

I will say once again that there is a risk that if you try to arrive
in Australia on an ETA with an intention to work, you risk having a
problem. From the following page:
http://www.australia.org.uk/VTI/HTML/tourist_faq.html

------
I have been offered employment in Australia and I need to be in
Australia urgently. Should I apply for a visitor visa, go to Australia
and then apply for a work permit in Australia?

If it is your intention to remain in Australia and work you would not
be eligible for a visitor visa as you are not intending a genuine
visit to Australia.
-----

People who arrive in Australia with ETAs or tourist visas who intend
to work risk being refused entry on arrival if the immigration officer
finds out.

You seem to have some fundamental gaps in your knowledge of
Australia's visa system. That's ok in itself, but you (or the
University) should hire a professional for assistance, not try to gain
an incomplete understanding by asking some questions here.

Particularly as what you are trying to do is outside the standard
process.


Jeremy



This is not intended to be legal advice in any jurisdiction

Johannes Kokkila

    > The 442 visa is for workplace based training.
    > If you're going to be a student, why are you not applying for a
    > student visa.

Because I am not official exchange student, they cannot give me proper
certificates to get student visa. I'm training at a specific laboratory. It
is a bilateral agreement of two professors (one from my school and the other
from Sydney)

    > I've no idea. And you should not expect the Department to change it's
    > processing times to suit your travel plans.

I don't expect anything. I was just considering, if one month is long enough
for the process.

Just to clarify myself... So if I have time and 147 application (with proper
attachment), I should be able to get 442 visa from Singapore, not only from
Berlin. Is that correct?

    > You CANNOT work on an ETA, nor can you do the kind of workplace based
    > training that the 442 visa permits.

I will have about two weeks between my arrival and my planed start of
training... and start of training can be fixed. So actually I would be
visiting... at first.

    > I will say once again that there is a risk that if you try to arrive
    > in Australia on an ETA with an intention to work, you risk having a
    > problem. From the following page:
    > http://www.australia.org.uk/VTI/HTML/tourist_faq.html

Of course there will be a risk. I think the point is how big risk?

    > ------
    > I have been offered employment in Australia and I need to be in
    > Australia urgently. Should I apply for a visitor visa, go to Australia
    > and then apply for a work permit in Australia?
    > If it is your intention to remain in Australia and work you would not
    > be eligible for a visitor visa as you are not intending a genuine
    > visit to Australia.
    > -----
    > People who arrive in Australia with ETAs or tourist visas who intend
    > to work risk being refused entry on arrival if the immigration officer
    > finds out.
    > You seem to have some fundamental gaps in your knowledge of
    > Australia's visa system. That's ok in itself, but you (or the
    > University) should hire a professional for assistance, not try to gain
    > an incomplete understanding by asking some questions here.

You are right in both. I have gaps and I should hire help, but I wanted to
try some cheaper choices first, since I'm just student with student wages.
Therefore I really do appreciate all you have done for me.

    > Particularly as what you are trying to do is outside the standard
    > process.

I am aware of that.

    > Jeremy
    > This is not intended to be legal advice in any jurisdiction

understood



Jossu