The Official 136-v-175 Timeline Venting Thread
Oct 20th 2007, 1:51 am
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Re: The Official 136-v-175 Timeline Venting Thread
PS. Am I alone in seeing a parallel disregard for the interests of skilled visa applicants in TRA's withdrawal of Skill Pathway D without notice?
It hasn't been an easy few weeks for skilled visa applicants, or their advisors.
It hasn't been an easy few weeks for skilled visa applicants, or their advisors.
Oct 20th 2007, 1:52 am
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Oct 20th 2007, 2:04 am
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I'm not on either visa so it doesn't affect me but just to add fuel to the fire: I could be wrong but I guess they pulled the meds out of the LCU back log in order to grant a 175 within 7 weeks. Does this mean they will be doing the same with the rest and the back log will take longer to clear. Thus not affecting just the 136's but in fact all visa applications?????:curse:
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Oct 20th 2007, 2:10 am
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Re: The Official 136-v-175 Timeline Venting Thread
Oct 20th 2007, 2:11 am
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I think some people are doing meds on-line but not all as not yet widely available in UK. Not sure what Biggles did, will go see if I can find out as would be interesting to know!
Oct 20th 2007, 3:45 am
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Just a quick technical note. Here are two extracts from the relevant Ministerial Direction (Number 35 of 2004) under section 499 of the Migration Act 1958 that pertains to the processing of skilled visa applications entitled, "Order of Consideration of applications for sponsorship, nomination and visas under the Skill Stream of the Migration Program and the Temporary Residence Program":
"Persons or bodies having powers under the Migration Act 1958 to consider visa applications (or to review decisions pertaining to such applications) have power under section 51 of the Migration Act 1958 to consider and dispose of applications for visas in such order as they consider appropriate."
and
"The order of processing of applications for Business Sponsorship, Business Nomination, Approved Appointment and visas under the Skill Stream of the Migration Program should be:
- applications relating to the entry of a person whose occupation is listed on the MODL; and
- applications for State-specific and regional migration visa subclasses; then
- all other fully completed applications in the order in which they are received."
I defer to the more legally minded, but I see nothing in this Direction that says e-lodged visa applications shall be processed more quickly than paper based applications.
Best regards.
"Persons or bodies having powers under the Migration Act 1958 to consider visa applications (or to review decisions pertaining to such applications) have power under section 51 of the Migration Act 1958 to consider and dispose of applications for visas in such order as they consider appropriate."
and
"The order of processing of applications for Business Sponsorship, Business Nomination, Approved Appointment and visas under the Skill Stream of the Migration Program should be:
- applications relating to the entry of a person whose occupation is listed on the MODL; and
- applications for State-specific and regional migration visa subclasses; then
- all other fully completed applications in the order in which they are received."
I defer to the more legally minded, but I see nothing in this Direction that says e-lodged visa applications shall be processed more quickly than paper based applications.
Best regards.
Any Barrister could argue successfully in that the DIAC is actiing within the legislation as it stands... regardless of the following paragraphs, because of the changes instigated on 1st September 2007.
I am well aware that this does not take into consideration the impact that it may have on individuals who are emotionally invested in the process and therefore feel annoyed and sidelined by their actions
I might also recall a post that Alan made some weeks ago stating that 90% of the Case officers were working on the 136 back log,
I am curious to know exactly how many applications were made in September, as compared to the preceeding months before the changes?
With it being online and actually as I remember having a few bugs there in the first week or two.... (no English language points were awarded to British Citizens) I can only assume that many potential 1st Sept applicants held off for a bit to see what happened.... me included.
I am not aiming to be inflammatory, I am merely suggesting that life isn't fair and even the best planned and carefully worded laws are subject to interpretation... therefore, nothing will change.
My mother is a decision maker for the UK government and her take is that,
in effect the government can interpret the law as they see fit...
Obviously this includes the processing of migration applications.
Oct 20th 2007, 4:02 am
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Well the legislation gives them the ultimate get out clause, as they can process in an order they see fit. It may just be that they have considered it and the first so many hundred applications will be processed to live check the system and include all potential problems.... Whatever....
Any Barrister could argue successfully in that the DIAC is actiing within the legislation as it stands... regardless of the following paragraphs, because of the changes instigated on 1st September 2007.
I am well aware that this does not take into consideration the impact that it may have on individuals who are emotionally invested in the process and therefore feel annoyed and sidelined by their actions
I might also recall a post that Alan made some weeks ago stating that 90% of the Case officers were working on the 136 back log,
I am curious to know exactly how many applications were made in September, as compared to the preceeding months before the changes?
With it being online and actually as I remember having a few bugs there in the first week or two.... (no English language points were awarded to British Citizens) I can only assume that many potential 1st Sept applicants held off for a bit to see what happened.... me included.
I am not aiming to be inflammatory, I am merely suggesting that life isn't fair and even the best planned and carefully worded laws are subject to interpretation... therefore, nothing will change.
My mother is a decision maker for the UK government and her take is that,
in effect the government can interpret the law as they see fit...
Obviously this includes the processing of migration applications.
Any Barrister could argue successfully in that the DIAC is actiing within the legislation as it stands... regardless of the following paragraphs, because of the changes instigated on 1st September 2007.
I am well aware that this does not take into consideration the impact that it may have on individuals who are emotionally invested in the process and therefore feel annoyed and sidelined by their actions
I might also recall a post that Alan made some weeks ago stating that 90% of the Case officers were working on the 136 back log,
I am curious to know exactly how many applications were made in September, as compared to the preceeding months before the changes?
With it being online and actually as I remember having a few bugs there in the first week or two.... (no English language points were awarded to British Citizens) I can only assume that many potential 1st Sept applicants held off for a bit to see what happened.... me included.
I am not aiming to be inflammatory, I am merely suggesting that life isn't fair and even the best planned and carefully worded laws are subject to interpretation... therefore, nothing will change.
My mother is a decision maker for the UK government and her take is that,
in effect the government can interpret the law as they see fit...
Obviously this includes the processing of migration applications.
I seem to remember reading somewhere that 1000 applications (in total) both online and paper based were received by Diac in Spetember.
Oct 20th 2007, 4:04 am
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Oct 20th 2007, 4:06 am
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Oct 20th 2007, 4:09 am
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Re: The Official 136-v-175 Venting Thread
Heck of a difference in the number of applicants submitting there!!!! 
Probably because a lot of people would lose points when the Sept 1st changes came into effect......losing 5 points for English ability for one.
Beth x x
Probably because a lot of people would lose points when the Sept 1st changes came into effect......losing 5 points for English ability for one.
Beth x x
Oct 20th 2007, 4:39 am
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Re: The Official 136-v-175 Timeline Venting Thread
I really feel that those who have 'ill will' against the recipient of the 175 visa are in the minority, and i know that many of the 175 applicants started the visa process way way before the 1st Sept, However, its understandable for some people to be a bit peed off (with DIAC) by the swiftness of the visa grant. Particularly when LCU do still appear to have a back log. I am always happy to hear of a visa grant and the grant of a 175 is no different, but to say people are throwing their toys out etc is a bit harsh, it is naive to say that because we have no control over the fairness of DIAC we should get over it. This topic was always going to raise a few questions.
I also bet that the person who received the grant had numerous well wishes from pre Sept app. So we're not all bad
Good luck to all, Jay
I also bet that the person who received the grant had numerous well wishes from pre Sept app. So we're not all bad
Good luck to all, Jay
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Oct 20th 2007, 8:53 am
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Re: The Official 136-v-175 Timeline Venting Thread
Only 1000, I'll bet that they're bricking themselves, because at that rate they've no chance of meeting their own targets for migrants... I have to say looking at the statistics they've fallen short every year for at least 3 years to my knowledge...
I wonder, out of the 30,000 August applicants, how many of them would be unable to meet the new Visa requirements?
(OK wandering off topic now, will slope of and let anyone who wants to.... drive themselves into an early grave..... Remember type A personalities???)
I wonder, out of the 30,000 August applicants, how many of them would be unable to meet the new Visa requirements?
(OK wandering off topic now, will slope of and let anyone who wants to.... drive themselves into an early grave..... Remember type A personalities???)
Oct 20th 2007, 9:40 am
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Todays question really should be....what has caused most controversy? The Eng/SA rugy final or Sept on-line appliocant getting their visa? Some perspective maybe????!!!!
Oct 20th 2007, 10:19 am
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I wonder, out of the 30,000 August applicants, how many of them would be unable to meet the new Visa requirements?
We would have sailed throught the 175 process - isnt hindsight wonderful:curse:*sob*
We would have sailed throught the 175 process - isnt hindsight wonderful:curse:*sob*
Oct 20th 2007, 10:28 am
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Re: The Official 136-v-175 Timeline Venting Thread
If DIAC can consistantly process a 175 visa in less time than a 136 maybe it would be in their interests to allow applicants who meet the new requirements a do-over if they have not yet received a CO?
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