Originally Posted by Bermudashorts

It has always been very well documented that buying investment properties does not constitute a close personal tie to Australia. Nothing personal. If you had done your homework you would have known this. I expect investing in a business would be much the same. They are after *personal* ties not investments.

If you don't want t move to Australia why don't you stop wasting your money on visas.

Originally Posted by Dorothy

Or stay the 4 years to get citizenship.

Originally Posted by xizzles

No offense taken, no worries.

Well, it's an option for me - and why not? If I meet the criteria, and I didn't beg, steal or borrow to do it, why shouldn't I? I make a decent stash where I am at the moment, so it is to my advantage to stay (for now) and as they say, while the sun shines, hey? However, Australia is far more appealing as a place to relax and spend the rest of my life when I'm ready to spend it the way I wish.

I could have plonked the required $5M in as an investor and try for an 188 leading to the 888, but the $5,000 odd fees DIBP charges for a skilled visa application seems a far cheaper way to achieve the same goal.

Originally Posted by gamui

Thanks...if declined, you mean I can re-apply the PR visa again? However, I was applying as a De facto PR visa..still can reapply with the same reason? but i have no longer with my ex anymore....

Originally Posted by quoll

Chances of you getying a RRV are somewhere between slim and none then in that case. You will just have to check whether your skills and qualifications allow you to apply for a visa in your own right.

Originally Posted by Bermudashorts

My point being that you are not achieving anything in applying for a visa (several times) and not moving, seems like a waste of effort to me.

Originally Posted by xizzles

I respect your point of view, although I might disagree with it. Having PR status meant I didn't need FIRB approval for my property purchases, and continuing my PR status meant I could legally keep some of the houses I purchased without having to sell them off at a cut-throat price.

When I finally make the move to Australia, I prefer to move in from a position of financial comfort - I'm thinking of Australia as a place for me to grow old (and if I'm financially comfortable, I wouldn't have to be a drain on Medicare & public resources). Having a ready property (or 3 or 4) might go some way towards achieving that aim.

So, while it may not achieve anything for YOUR circumstances, do understand that MY personal circumstances might be quite different to yours, and as I'm sure you would agree, there's definitely more than one valid viewpoint to look at things .

Originally Posted by Bermudashorts

Oh do stop going on about it. I made one comment about the fact that PR visas become worthless if you do not use them! Your circumstances are irrelevant.

Originally Posted by xizzles

Yeah, I simply couldn't make up my mind the first time, and apart from the validation trip, didn't spend any time down under. So, it was an expected decision that the RRV got bounced off on application - it was my fault, and I had no one to blame.

The second time was a case where the gods, the heavens, the cosmos conspired against me. Being wiser (or so I thought), I tried my best to establish ties to Australia by investing in property and paying the relevant taxes. However, when the time came to renew my PR, the RRV was again rejected because residential properties no longer counted towards the invested amount! So, my 3 properties were essentially dud purchases as far as getting my PR/RRV renewed was concerned. I can never be sure if it was just bad luck that the lady at DIMA (as it was called back then) had an off day, or there's something about my face that she didn't like the look of....


The 189 is the new 175. I just received the happy news a week ago that DIBP sent my agent an invitation to apply after I filed an EOI. Barring health and character flaws (although my missus would have a long list of snide remarks to make on the latter), I should be third time lucky insofar as getting my PR status (again).

This time, I intend to invest in a business - just in case wanderlust takes hold of me and I end up everywhere else but Australia and find myself short on days for the RRV in 5 years' time.

Good luck with your application!

Originally Posted by teza

buying businesses or houses aren't showing a tie to australia. Australian family, local job offer are. Anyone can buy into australia, it's all about showing the fact you live here

Originally Posted by DIBP Visa 155

have not spent two of the last five years in Australia as a permanent resident or citizen, but can satisfy the processing officer that you have substantial business, cultural, employment or personal ties of benefit to Australia

Originally Posted by DIBP Visa 155

Business ties: If you are claiming business ties with Australia, you will need to provide proof of the ties and how they are of benefit to Australia. You will need to show that you have substantial ownership interests in the business and are personally involved at a senior level in the day-to-day operations and management of the business. The business activity needs to be ongoing, regular activity that is commercial in nature, has an intention to make a profit and has a system of record keeping and management that substantiates the business activity claimed.

Originally Posted by gamui

I understand the chance for my PR visa renewal is very slow...and I really don't know what can I do...sigh....its totally is my fault..

Originally Posted by airlineguy1980

XIZZLES check your PM box