Do we need to get current employer reference
May 29th 2003, 10:46 am
#1
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Re: Do we need to get current employer reference
>On Fri, 30 May 2003 09:12:48 +0000, M Cochrane wrote:
>Hi,
>Hope someone out there can help me. We're considering moving to
>Australia via the skilled sponsored deignated area route (my husband's
>got an aunt in Perth who'll sponsor us).
Most of the Perth area is not designated - what's your husband's
aunt's postcode?
She may still be able to sponsor for subclass 138, just not the
designated area subclass 139.
>We have to take the RPL route
>as although my husband's got 16 years IT experience he doesn't have a
>degree (only O levels and Highers). The question is I see from the RPL
>package that you have to get 6 years employer's references but does this
>include your current employer.
ACS will require at least 6 years to be covered by references.
Whether you need to get a current employer's reference at this stage
may depend on when that job started and how easily it is to get
references from previous employers.
DIMIA will need to see work references covering his current
employmenrt, unless he started it very recently, but this can be
obtained much later in the process.
> My husband's a bit wary of letting his
>employer know about the proposed move.
Employers' reactions can vary. Although in the UK it's probably
illegal to sack someone simply because they have expressed a plan to
migrate, there can be other impacts on things like promotion,
training, or being first in line for redundancy.
On the other hand many employers are positive and say something like
'wish I'd done something similar'. It often boils down to the
attitude of an individual line manager.
Jeremy
This is not intended to be legal advice in any jurisdiction
>Hi,
>Hope someone out there can help me. We're considering moving to
>Australia via the skilled sponsored deignated area route (my husband's
>got an aunt in Perth who'll sponsor us).
Most of the Perth area is not designated - what's your husband's
aunt's postcode?
She may still be able to sponsor for subclass 138, just not the
designated area subclass 139.
>We have to take the RPL route
>as although my husband's got 16 years IT experience he doesn't have a
>degree (only O levels and Highers). The question is I see from the RPL
>package that you have to get 6 years employer's references but does this
>include your current employer.
ACS will require at least 6 years to be covered by references.
Whether you need to get a current employer's reference at this stage
may depend on when that job started and how easily it is to get
references from previous employers.
DIMIA will need to see work references covering his current
employmenrt, unless he started it very recently, but this can be
obtained much later in the process.
> My husband's a bit wary of letting his
>employer know about the proposed move.
Employers' reactions can vary. Although in the UK it's probably
illegal to sack someone simply because they have expressed a plan to
migrate, there can be other impacts on things like promotion,
training, or being first in line for redundancy.
On the other hand many employers are positive and say something like
'wish I'd done something similar'. It often boils down to the
attitude of an individual line manager.
Jeremy
This is not intended to be legal advice in any jurisdiction
May 30th 2003, 9:12 am
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Do we need to get current employer reference
Hi,
Hope someone out there can help me. We're considering moving to Australia via the skilled sponsored deignated area route (my husband's got an aunt in Perth who'll sponsor us). We have to take the RPL route as although my husband's got 16 years IT experience he doesn't have a degree (only O levels and Highers). The question is I see from the RPL package that you have to get 6 years employer's references but does this include your current employer. My husband's a bit wary of letting his employer know about the proposed move. Anyone out there been in the same position. Any help would be very much appreciated. This forum is great for information as this Australia lark is all new to us.
Thanks in advance
M Cochrane
Hope someone out there can help me. We're considering moving to Australia via the skilled sponsored deignated area route (my husband's got an aunt in Perth who'll sponsor us). We have to take the RPL route as although my husband's got 16 years IT experience he doesn't have a degree (only O levels and Highers). The question is I see from the RPL package that you have to get 6 years employer's references but does this include your current employer. My husband's a bit wary of letting his employer know about the proposed move. Anyone out there been in the same position. Any help would be very much appreciated. This forum is great for information as this Australia lark is all new to us.
Thanks in advance
M Cochrane
May 30th 2003, 10:17 am
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Hi,
We received our skilled independent visa 3 weeks ago.
I know that's different form your visa type and I understand fully your reluctance to let your employer know about your plans..I felt the same.
I (nurse) was requested a present employer reference last november and thought that I could get away with using a colleague to do it, explaining my reasons. Now some people on this forum have been lucky and got away with it ..I didnt..It wasted 4 months too.
It took until March for the case officer to ask again for the same info stating that It had to be my employer who did the ref...
So...its up to you whether you think that you could get a colleague to do it and submit that or to risk wasting a month or two...and having to do it anyway...
In retrospect I would still do the same though because in November my cicumstances were different and I thought that my degree course may be in jeopardy if my employers found out about my plans ...
..as it turned out I dropped out of uni anyway!!!..
ho hum!
good luck anyway
We received our skilled independent visa 3 weeks ago.
I know that's different form your visa type and I understand fully your reluctance to let your employer know about your plans..I felt the same.
I (nurse) was requested a present employer reference last november and thought that I could get away with using a colleague to do it, explaining my reasons. Now some people on this forum have been lucky and got away with it ..I didnt..It wasted 4 months too.
It took until March for the case officer to ask again for the same info stating that It had to be my employer who did the ref...
So...its up to you whether you think that you could get a colleague to do it and submit that or to risk wasting a month or two...and having to do it anyway...
In retrospect I would still do the same though because in November my cicumstances were different and I thought that my degree course may be in jeopardy if my employers found out about my plans ...
..as it turned out I dropped out of uni anyway!!!..
ho hum!
good luck anyway
May 30th 2003, 11:34 am
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Re: Do we need to get current employer reference
Originally posted by Jaj
>On Fri, 30 May 2003 09:12:48 +0000, M Cochrane wrote:
>Hi,
>Hope someone out there can help me. We're considering moving to
>Australia via the skilled sponsored deignated area route (my husband's
>got an aunt in Perth who'll sponsor us).
Most of the Perth area is not designated - what's your husband's
aunt's postcode?
She may still be able to sponsor for subclass 138, just not the
designated area subclass 139.
>We have to take the RPL route
>as although my husband's got 16 years IT experience he doesn't have a
>degree (only O levels and Highers). The question is I see from the RPL
>package that you have to get 6 years employer's references but does this
>include your current employer.
ACS will require at least 6 years to be covered by references.
Whether you need to get a current employer's reference at this stage
may depend on when that job started and how easily it is to get
references from previous employers.
DIMIA will need to see work references covering his current
employmenrt, unless he started it very recently, but this can be
obtained much later in the process.
> My husband's a bit wary of letting his
>employer know about the proposed move.
Employers' reactions can vary. Although in the UK it's probably
illegal to sack someone simply because they have expressed a plan to
migrate, there can be other impacts on things like promotion,
training, or being first in line for redundancy.
On the other hand many employers are positive and say something like
'wish I'd done something similar'. It often boils down to the
attitude of an individual line manager.
Jeremy
This is not intended to be legal advice in any jurisdiction
>On Fri, 30 May 2003 09:12:48 +0000, M Cochrane wrote:
>Hi,
>Hope someone out there can help me. We're considering moving to
>Australia via the skilled sponsored deignated area route (my husband's
>got an aunt in Perth who'll sponsor us).
Most of the Perth area is not designated - what's your husband's
aunt's postcode?
She may still be able to sponsor for subclass 138, just not the
designated area subclass 139.
>We have to take the RPL route
>as although my husband's got 16 years IT experience he doesn't have a
>degree (only O levels and Highers). The question is I see from the RPL
>package that you have to get 6 years employer's references but does this
>include your current employer.
ACS will require at least 6 years to be covered by references.
Whether you need to get a current employer's reference at this stage
may depend on when that job started and how easily it is to get
references from previous employers.
DIMIA will need to see work references covering his current
employmenrt, unless he started it very recently, but this can be
obtained much later in the process.
> My husband's a bit wary of letting his
>employer know about the proposed move.
Employers' reactions can vary. Although in the UK it's probably
illegal to sack someone simply because they have expressed a plan to
migrate, there can be other impacts on things like promotion,
training, or being first in line for redundancy.
On the other hand many employers are positive and say something like
'wish I'd done something similar'. It often boils down to the
attitude of an individual line manager.
Jeremy
This is not intended to be legal advice in any jurisdiction
Maureen
May 30th 2003, 12:05 pm
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Re: Do we need to get current employer reference
I am afraid you will have to figure out some good excuse for your
current employer. Many of us, including me, had to go through similar
situations as you are now. Good luck!
current employer. Many of us, including me, had to go through similar
situations as you are now. Good luck!
May 30th 2003, 12:46 pm
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Re: Do we need to get current employer reference
Tell the boss that you are at the start of a two year application, and if you get the visa it will be a year or two before you leave. I'm sure they will not look into the visa situation in too much detail to find out what the process (in many cases) no longer takes this long.
Many employers do not expect to keep staff for four years, so they are most likely to make good use of your husband whilst they still have him.
Good luck!
Mel
Many employers do not expect to keep staff for four years, so they are most likely to make good use of your husband whilst they still have him.
Good luck!
Mel
May 30th 2003, 1:55 pm
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Re: Do we need to get current employer reference
On Fri, 30 May 2003 08:05:30 -0400, one wrote:
> I am afraid you will have to figure out some good excuse for your
> current employer. Many of us, including me, had to go through similar
> situations as you are now. Good luck!
By the way, I meant a good excuse just so that they do not get
suspicious and you have no problems, because obtaining a reference
letter from your employer is a right of yours.
> I am afraid you will have to figure out some good excuse for your
> current employer. Many of us, including me, had to go through similar
> situations as you are now. Good luck!
By the way, I meant a good excuse just so that they do not get
suspicious and you have no problems, because obtaining a reference
letter from your employer is a right of yours.
May 30th 2003, 1:59 pm
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Re: Do we need to get current employer reference
[email protected] (JAJ) wrote in message news:...
> >On Fri, 30 May 2003 09:12:48 +0000, M Cochrane wrote:
> >
> >Hi,
> >
> >Hope someone out there can help me. We're considering moving to
> >Australia via the skilled sponsored deignated area route (my husband's
> >got an aunt in Perth who'll sponsor us).
>
> Most of the Perth area is not designated - what's your husband's
> aunt's postcode?
>
> She may still be able to sponsor for subclass 138, just not the
> designated area subclass 139.
>
> >We have to take the RPL route
> >as although my husband's got 16 years IT experience he doesn't have a
> >degree (only O levels and Highers). The question is I see from the RPL
> >package that you have to get 6 years employer's references but does this
> >include your current employer.
>
> ACS will require at least 6 years to be covered by references.
> Whether you need to get a current employer's reference at this stage
> may depend on when that job started and how easily it is to get
> references from previous employers.
>
> DIMIA will need to see work references covering his current
> employmenrt, unless he started it very recently, but this can be
> obtained much later in the process.
>
>
>
> > My husband's a bit wary of letting his
> >employer know about the proposed move.
>
> Employers' reactions can vary. Although in the UK it's probably
> illegal to sack someone simply because they have expressed a plan to
> migrate, there can be other impacts on things like promotion,
> training, or being first in line for redundancy.
>
> On the other hand many employers are positive and say something like
> 'wish I'd done something similar'. It often boils down to the
> attitude of an individual line manager.
>
> Jeremy
> This is not intended to be legal advice in any jurisdiction
The type of reference required is more detailed than most employers
are willing to give these days. I think a good route is to follow a
two-pronged approach.
First, get a basic reference from your employer stating job title and
length of service. You can say it's for an application to an
accreditation body, you're not exactly lying are you?
Second, get a friendly and discreet colleague to write you a more
detailed reference giving a complete description of the role. You
might be able to write it yourself and get your colleague to sign.
That's what I did anyway and it worked fine.
Thunder Ace
> >On Fri, 30 May 2003 09:12:48 +0000, M Cochrane wrote:
> >
> >Hi,
> >
> >Hope someone out there can help me. We're considering moving to
> >Australia via the skilled sponsored deignated area route (my husband's
> >got an aunt in Perth who'll sponsor us).
>
> Most of the Perth area is not designated - what's your husband's
> aunt's postcode?
>
> She may still be able to sponsor for subclass 138, just not the
> designated area subclass 139.
>
> >We have to take the RPL route
> >as although my husband's got 16 years IT experience he doesn't have a
> >degree (only O levels and Highers). The question is I see from the RPL
> >package that you have to get 6 years employer's references but does this
> >include your current employer.
>
> ACS will require at least 6 years to be covered by references.
> Whether you need to get a current employer's reference at this stage
> may depend on when that job started and how easily it is to get
> references from previous employers.
>
> DIMIA will need to see work references covering his current
> employmenrt, unless he started it very recently, but this can be
> obtained much later in the process.
>
>
>
> > My husband's a bit wary of letting his
> >employer know about the proposed move.
>
> Employers' reactions can vary. Although in the UK it's probably
> illegal to sack someone simply because they have expressed a plan to
> migrate, there can be other impacts on things like promotion,
> training, or being first in line for redundancy.
>
> On the other hand many employers are positive and say something like
> 'wish I'd done something similar'. It often boils down to the
> attitude of an individual line manager.
>
> Jeremy
> This is not intended to be legal advice in any jurisdiction
The type of reference required is more detailed than most employers
are willing to give these days. I think a good route is to follow a
two-pronged approach.
First, get a basic reference from your employer stating job title and
length of service. You can say it's for an application to an
accreditation body, you're not exactly lying are you?
Second, get a friendly and discreet colleague to write you a more
detailed reference giving a complete description of the role. You
might be able to write it yourself and get your colleague to sign.
That's what I did anyway and it worked fine.
Thunder Ace
May 30th 2003, 4:51 pm
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Re: Do we need to get current employer reference
Originally posted by M Cochrane
Hi,
Hope someone out there can help me. We're considering moving to Australia via the skilled sponsored deignated area route (my husband's got an aunt in Perth who'll sponsor us). We have to take the RPL route as although my husband's got 16 years IT experience he doesn't have a degree (only O levels and Highers). The question is I see from the RPL package that you have to get 6 years employer's references but does this include your current employer. My husband's a bit wary of letting his employer know about the proposed move. Anyone out there been in the same position. Any help would be very much appreciated. This forum is great for information as this Australia lark is all new to us.
Thanks in advance
M Cochrane
Hi,
Hope someone out there can help me. We're considering moving to Australia via the skilled sponsored deignated area route (my husband's got an aunt in Perth who'll sponsor us). We have to take the RPL route as although my husband's got 16 years IT experience he doesn't have a degree (only O levels and Highers). The question is I see from the RPL package that you have to get 6 years employer's references but does this include your current employer. My husband's a bit wary of letting his employer know about the proposed move. Anyone out there been in the same position. Any help would be very much appreciated. This forum is great for information as this Australia lark is all new to us.
Thanks in advance
M Cochrane
I'm in the same situation for my skills assesment. I contacted thr "TRA" directly via email who informed me that a copy of my contract and wage slips would surfice.
May 31st 2003, 7:52 am
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Re: Do we need to get current employer reference
>On Fri, 30 May 2003 11:34:11 +0000, M Cochrane wrote:
>Thanks for the info Jaj. Not sure about my husband's aunt's postcode
>but I will check that out.
I would check it out - it's quite important.
> As for my husband's job he only just
>started this particular job in April so do you think I would need a
>reference from them for ACS.
Probably not.
> I should be able to get the other
>references going back six years that only involves two employers albeit
>one of those was in the States where we spent 2 years.
You should try and get references covering at least 9-10 years so as
not to have any problems with the deeming date.
What you basically need to show for ACS is 6 years experience as early
as possible. This leaves you breathing space to use the more recent
work experience for DIMIA. Because of the deeming date rules you
cannot use the same experience both for ACS and DIMIA, and DIMIA will
only look at more recent experience anyway.
Jeremy
This is not intended to be legal advice in any jurisdiction
>Thanks for the info Jaj. Not sure about my husband's aunt's postcode
>but I will check that out.
I would check it out - it's quite important.
> As for my husband's job he only just
>started this particular job in April so do you think I would need a
>reference from them for ACS.
Probably not.
> I should be able to get the other
>references going back six years that only involves two employers albeit
>one of those was in the States where we spent 2 years.
You should try and get references covering at least 9-10 years so as
not to have any problems with the deeming date.
What you basically need to show for ACS is 6 years experience as early
as possible. This leaves you breathing space to use the more recent
work experience for DIMIA. Because of the deeming date rules you
cannot use the same experience both for ACS and DIMIA, and DIMIA will
only look at more recent experience anyway.
Jeremy
This is not intended to be legal advice in any jurisdiction
Jun 2nd 2003, 1:23 pm
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Re: Do we need to get current employer reference
M. Cochrane,
I took a the following approach, and obtained a very full reference
without raising negative thoughts from my employer. I now have a PR
(skilled independent)and didn't have any queries re work experience.
Tell them you are considering an Open University degree, or other
educational self-improvement you will do in your own time, and need a
description of your experience to be considered for the course. This
should chime with your own situation, lots of IT experience but no
degree.
Ask the reference to be as full as possible, in fact you could draft
it yourself to save your employer the bother and at the same time make
the content as relevant to your application as possible.
Ask your employer for two copies on company headed paper, and make
sure they are signed. Preferably get your employer to addresss them
"to whom it may concern" or "applications office" or something else
which is appropriate but not specific to Migration Visas.
The result will be that you have a full reference meeting the
requiremnts for application, and your boss may even think you are an
eager beaver for wanting to study a course which may be work related.
It will be easy to say a few months later that you have decided to
postpone the degree course for now, or some other excuse if they ask.
Z
I took a the following approach, and obtained a very full reference
without raising negative thoughts from my employer. I now have a PR
(skilled independent)and didn't have any queries re work experience.
Tell them you are considering an Open University degree, or other
educational self-improvement you will do in your own time, and need a
description of your experience to be considered for the course. This
should chime with your own situation, lots of IT experience but no
degree.
Ask the reference to be as full as possible, in fact you could draft
it yourself to save your employer the bother and at the same time make
the content as relevant to your application as possible.
Ask your employer for two copies on company headed paper, and make
sure they are signed. Preferably get your employer to addresss them
"to whom it may concern" or "applications office" or something else
which is appropriate but not specific to Migration Visas.
The result will be that you have a full reference meeting the
requiremnts for application, and your boss may even think you are an
eager beaver for wanting to study a course which may be work related.
It will be easy to say a few months later that you have decided to
postpone the degree course for now, or some other excuse if they ask.
Z
Jun 2nd 2003, 3:33 pm
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Re: Do we need to get current employer reference
Originally posted by M Cochrane
Hi,
Hope someone out there can help me. We're considering moving to Australia via the skilled sponsored deignated area route (my husband's got an aunt in Perth who'll sponsor us). We have to take the RPL route as although my husband's got 16 years IT experience he doesn't have a degree (only O levels and Highers). The question is I see from the RPL package that you have to get 6 years employer's references but does this include your current employer. My husband's a bit wary of letting his employer know about the proposed move. Anyone out there been in the same position. Any help would be very much appreciated. This forum is great for information as this Australia lark is all new to us.
Thanks in advance
M Cochrane
Hi,
Hope someone out there can help me. We're considering moving to Australia via the skilled sponsored deignated area route (my husband's got an aunt in Perth who'll sponsor us). We have to take the RPL route as although my husband's got 16 years IT experience he doesn't have a degree (only O levels and Highers). The question is I see from the RPL package that you have to get 6 years employer's references but does this include your current employer. My husband's a bit wary of letting his employer know about the proposed move. Anyone out there been in the same position. Any help would be very much appreciated. This forum is great for information as this Australia lark is all new to us.
Thanks in advance
M Cochrane
I am quite confused as I always thought one only need to show employment for 3 out of 4 years immediately before one apply, undewr the Skill Independent category.
Also, what is meant by RPL?
Jun 2nd 2003, 3:38 pm
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Re: Do we need to get current employer reference
Originally posted by THYE.A.
Hi, I read your post saying that RPL package require 6 years employer reference.
I am quite confused as I always thought one only need to show employment for 3 out of 4 years immediately before one apply, undewr the Skill Independent category.
Also, what is meant by RPL?
Hi, I read your post saying that RPL package require 6 years employer reference.
I am quite confused as I always thought one only need to show employment for 3 out of 4 years immediately before one apply, undewr the Skill Independent category.
Also, what is meant by RPL?
The 3 out of 4 years of employment you're referring to is called the 'specific work experience'. It's not the only criterion used to gain a permanent visa under skilled migration. There are several more criteria that need to be satisfied before a visa can be granted. More information is available from the skilled migration booklet 6, available off the DIMIA website free of charge.
DIMIA = Australian Immigration Department, btw.
Peter
