Jaj

You could always pay the second instalment, as your wife then gets
English lessons in Australia (500 hours).

Jeremy

    >On Wed, 18 Jun 2003 14:32:44 +0000, ptlabs wrote:
    >Originally posted by Sadeq El Maazouzi
    >> We have received today the Medical and PCC. DIMIA requests
    >> also that my wife needs to take the IELTS test. We would
    >> prefer to avoid this step as it costs money and lots of time.
    >The second installment for adult migrant English tuition may be a little
    >bit more expensive than appearing for an IELTS test.

This is not intended to be legal advice in any jurisdiction

Jaj

The points tested skilled migration system is mechanistic. It cannot
evaluate 'soft' attributes like initiative, resourcefulness, social
skills and commitment to Australian values. All these are critical to
a successful settlement in Australia.

The point about English is that unless you can speak English at the
same level as Australians, the chances of getting a skilled job are
very low, no matter what one's other attributes are.

As the logic of the skilled migration system is to select people
capable of contributing economically to Australia from Day 1, it makes
sense to have strict English language standards (stricter than current
benchmarks even).

Both you and Michael appear to be quite competent in English,
unfortunately this is not universal among those hoping to migrate.

Jeremy

    >On 19 Jun 2003 03:53:41 -0700, [email protected] (Sadeq El Maazouzi) wrote:

    >Now, please be fair :-) Are all those features, characteristics and
    >qualifications not
    >enough to get a PR for australia.
    >Please be honest: How long would you need to acquire all my
    >qualifications, qualities
    >and characteristics?
    >I think that the guys at DIMIA have check other values also than just
    >english
    >Thank you
    >Sadeq

This is not intended to be legal advice in any jurisdiction

Sadeq El Maazouzi

Hello everybody,

We have received today the Medical and PCC. DIMIA requests also that
my wife needs to take the IELTS test. We would prefer to avoid this
step as it costs money and lots of time.

It is possible to write an email to our case officer and ask him to do
a telephone interview with her?

Thanks and best Rgds

Sadeq

ptlabs

Originally posted by Sadeq El Maazouzi
> We have received today the Medical and PCC. DIMIA requests
> also that my wife needs to take the IELTS test. We would
> prefer to avoid this step as it costs money and lots of time.

The second installment for adult migrant English tuition may be a little bit more expensive than appearing for an IELTS test.


> It is possible to write an email to our case officer and ask him
> to do a telephone interview with her?

Nothing stopping you from doing that. You could also ask your case officer to send you a first-class air ticket to Australia as a welcome gift too.


Peter

Margarita Mincheva

Hi Sadeq,

Your wife must take IELTS to prove her english proficiency. If she
doesn't, you have to pay second installment.

Best regards,
Ritka

Sadeq El Maazouzi wrote:
    > Hello everybody,
    >
    > We have received today the Medical and PCC. DIMIA requests also that
    > my wife needs to take the IELTS test. We would prefer to avoid this
    > step as it costs money and lots of time.
    >
    > It is possible to write an email to our case officer and ask him to do
    > a telephone interview with her?
    >
    > Thanks and best Rgds
    >
    > Sadeq

Mountain Dew Or Crab Juice?

"ptlabs" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

    > > It is possible to write an email to our case officer and ask him
    > > to do a telephone interview with her?
    > Nothing stopping you from doing that. You could also ask your case
    > officer to send you a first-class air ticket to Australia as a
    > welcome gift too.

LOL. Champaign comedy

Rod.

    > Peter
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Maiquel Llacson

On Wed, 18 Jun 2003 14:32:44 +0000, ptlabs wrote:
    > Nothing stopping you from doing that. You could also ask your case
    > officer to send you a first-class air ticket to Australia as a
    > welcome gift too.

Or he could ask the caser officer to pay for the IELTS. I am pretty
confident that (s)he will agree :-))

Prabhu

In my case, I have not included my wife's skill for the points. Will
DIMIA ask for my wife's IELTS score eventhough she was not included
for the points?

-Prabhu

Margarita Mincheva wrote in message news:...
    > Hi Sadeq,
    >
    > Your wife must take IELTS to prove her english proficiency. If she
    > doesn't, you have to pay second installment.
    >
    > Best regards,
    > Ritka
    >
    > Sadeq El Maazouzi wrote:
    > > Hello everybody,
    > >
    > > We have received today the Medical and PCC. DIMIA requests also that
    > > my wife needs to take the IELTS test. We would prefer to avoid this
    > > step as it costs money and lots of time.
    > >
    > > It is possible to write an email to our case officer and ask him to do
    > > a telephone interview with her?
    > >
    > > Thanks and best Rgds
    > >
    > > Sadeq

Michael Hoffman

Maiquel Llacson wrote in
news:[email protected]:

    > On Wed, 18 Jun 2003 14:32:44 +0000, ptlabs wrote:
    >> Nothing stopping you from doing that. You could also ask your case
    >> officer to send you a first-class air ticket to Australia as a
    >> welcome gift too.
    >
    > Or he could ask the caser officer to pay for the IELTS. I am pretty
    > confident that (s)he will agree :-))
    >
    >

OK, how about we turn this into a "The Most Outrageous Thing You Could Ask
DIMIA To Do For You To Help With Your Application" thread?

Lame entries like "find me a job" will be discarded.

Mike

Sdw

Anyone who is migrating with you and is not a native English speaker
can be required to take the IELTS or you must pay the installment fee
which will allow them to take English lessons once they arrive in
Australia. They are extremely serious about the ability of all
immigrants to speak and understand English. Unlike the US or Canada,
most signs outside normal tourist destinations such as airports and
hotels are in Engligh only with no translations.


[email protected] (Prabhu) wrote in message news:...
    > In my case, I have not included my wife's skill for the points. Will
    > DIMIA ask for my wife's IELTS score eventhough she was not included
    > for the points?
    >
    > -Prabhu
    >
    > Margarita Mincheva wrote in message news:...
    > > Hi Sadeq,
    > >
    > > Your wife must take IELTS to prove her english proficiency. If she
    > > doesn't, you have to pay second installment.
    > >
    > > Best regards,
    > > Ritka
    > >
    > > Sadeq El Maazouzi wrote:
    > > > Hello everybody,
    > > >
    > > > We have received today the Medical and PCC. DIMIA requests also that
    > > > my wife needs to take the IELTS test. We would prefer to avoid this
    > > > step as it costs money and lots of time.
    > > >
    > > > It is possible to write an email to our case officer and ask him to do
    > > > a telephone interview with her?
    > > >
    > > > Thanks and best Rgds
    > > >
    > > > Sadeq

Michael Hoffman

[email protected] (SDW) wrote in
news:[email protected]:

    > Anyone who is migrating with you and is not a native English speaker
    > can be required to take the IELTS or you must pay the installment fee
    > which will allow them to take English lessons once they arrive in
    > Australia. They are extremely serious about the ability of all
    > immigrants to speak and understand English. Unlike the US or Canada,
    > most signs outside normal tourist destinations such as airports and
    > hotels are in Engligh only with no translations.

And yet, not serious enough. With all due respect some people on this very
newsgroup simply should not receive a visa based on their horrific English.

Maybe that's just me.
Mike

Mountain Dew Or Crab Juice?

"Michael Hoffman" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > [email protected] (SDW) wrote in
    > news:[email protected]:
    > > Anyone who is migrating with you and is not a native English speaker
    > > can be required to take the IELTS or you must pay the installment fee
    > > which will allow them to take English lessons once they arrive in
    > > Australia. They are extremely serious about the ability of all
    > > immigrants to speak and understand English. Unlike the US or Canada,
    > > most signs outside normal tourist destinations such as airports and
    > > hotels are in Engligh only with no translations.
    > And yet, not serious enough. With all due respect some people on this very
    > newsgroup simply should not receive a visa based on their horrific
English.
    > Maybe that's just me.

"Me fail English?. That's unpossible!"


    > Mike


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Michael Hoffman

"Mountain Dew or Crab Juice?" wrote in
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    >> And yet, not serious enough. With all due respect some people on this
    >> very newsgroup simply should not receive a visa based on their
    >> horrific
    > English.
    >> Maybe that's just me.
    >
    > "Me fail English?. That's unpossible!"

Unbelievigable!

George Lombard

Hi Sadeq,

In some cases people from the Indian subcontinent are excused the IELTS test
on the basis of their education - this applies to primary and secondary
applicants. Essentially this will apply to someone with a good pass in a
degree from a good university. The only way you might be able to avoid the
English test is to show that your wife has that level of education.

Cheers

George Lombard

www.austimmigration.com.au


"Sadeq El Maazouzi" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > Hello everybody,
    > We have received today the Medical and PCC. DIMIA requests also that
    > my wife needs to take the IELTS test. We would prefer to avoid this
    > step as it costs money and lots of time.
    > It is possible to write an email to our case officer and ask him to do
    > a telephone interview with her?
    > Thanks and best Rgds
    > Sadeq

Sadeq El Maazouzi

Hello Mike,
Just some questions:
1. where are you coming from?
2. Which are your qualifications?
3. How many foreign languages do you speak?
4. Have you ever left you country to visit an other country (e.g.
Germany, France,
Spain or even Morocco)?
5. Which is today your salary (in US Dollars)?
6. How long are you waiting for the medical and PCC documents?
7. How many children do you have?
8. What is your position in your company (if you have a job)
9. What is you religion?
10. How do you evaluate strengths and weaknesses of people?
11. Do you have a girl friend and for how long?

I still have a lot of questions but may be next time.

Now to my person:

1. I am not a native english speaker but I am doing my best to learn
this beautiful
language. And I am sure that I will be successful.
2. I am a high qualified robotics and electronic engineer from a well
known university
in Germany, MBA from Germany and BOSTON Univ., MCSE, CNE, CCNA
etc...
3. I do speak french, arabic and german perfectly and spanish little
bit.
4. I have visited a lot of countries, I have seen a lot of different
cultures in this
beautiful world. I have a lot of friends over this globes (In
Australia too) :-)
5. A lot. But Money itself is not too important.
6. See above
7. IT Manager, responsible for all IT matters in Germany, Hungary,
Denmark, Italy
and Austria. Budget: more that 2 Mio. €. Staff: 25 high qualified
gentlemen working
for a well known multicultural transportation company.
8. See above
9. I believe in God.
10. I would not mention this here. But I can tell you that if you give
me your private
email address.
11. I am married to a nice girl. I have 2 beautiful children (son: 5
years and daughter
2 years)


Now, please be fair :-) Are all those features, characteristics and
qualifications not
enough to get a PR for australia.
Please be honest: How long would you need to acquire all my
qualifications, qualities
and characteristics?

I think that the guys at DIMIA have check other values also than just
english


Thank you

Sadeq

Should you ever have the possibility to visit Germany, I would be very
happy to
invite you for a bavarian beer and pork roast




"Mountain Dew or Crab Juice?" wrote in message news:...
    > "Michael Hoffman" wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > [email protected] (SDW) wrote in
    > > news:[email protected]:
    > >
    > > > Anyone who is migrating with you and is not a native English speaker
    > > > can be required to take the IELTS or you must pay the installment fee
    > > > which will allow them to take English lessons once they arrive in
    > > > Australia. They are extremely serious about the ability of all
    > > > immigrants to speak and understand English. Unlike the US or Canada,
    > > > most signs outside normal tourist destinations such as airports and
    > > > hotels are in Engligh only with no translations.
    > >
    > > And yet, not serious enough. With all due respect some people on this very
    > > newsgroup simply should not receive a visa based on their horrific
    > English.
    > >
    > > Maybe that's just me.
    >
    > "Me fail English?. That's unpossible!"
    >
    >
    > > Mike
    >
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