Karma

I am a Compuetr Engineer passed out in 1997 June.I have 5 1/2 years of
work experience.
Got a +ve ACS stating that i fullfill there requirements of October
2002 issuse of DIMA since january 2002 for ASCO code 2231-17 (60
points).

Can i claim 10 pomints for specific work experience as i have 5+ years
of experience since i did my degree or are there some deeming date
issues as you can read line number 3 and 4 from my ACS reference
letter.????

Lana

The deeming date is January 2002. So you could only claim the 10 points for specific work experience as of Jan. 2005. Of course by then the ACS assessment would be more than expired.

Spocit

"Karma" wrote in message
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    > I am a Compuetr Engineer passed out in 1997 June.I have 5 1/2 years of
    > work experience.
    > Got a +ve ACS stating that i fullfill there requirements of October
    > 2002 issuse of DIMA since january 2002 for ASCO code 2231-17 (60
    > points).

I think You may be in trouble with these 10 points, because your experience
will be counted since Jan 2002.
It really worries me - I have the same situation (master's degree in 1997
and
almost 6 years of work in a nominated occupation). I haven't applied for
to ACS yet, but want to do it soon. I think the lack of these 10 points
will kill my chances to get PR.
Does anyone know what are the ACS criteria for setting the deeming date?

spocit

Kamran Mansoor

Well Karma:
if they are really mentioning date ,then it should be your graduation date which is "1997 June", please see the following

Since you have degree in CS ,means Group A But for group A you also need to show 4 years exp(Post Oct1) , 97-2002 exp is six years if continous ,otherwise according to the situation in your case , it is 5- 1/2.

So this is now sure you will get postive Group A.

----------------------------------------------------
Experience:-
Now for group A

The date should date ofcompletion of study/course which is 1997.

WHY:-

In RPL it is completion of 4-6 years of experience , 4-6years depends which type of degree you have and content of IT.

So what you should do now is very obvious as I have shown you all very analytically.Do what ever is required to be done!

Thanks
Kamran

ptlabs

Kamran,

Not all degrees are treated equally. Bachelor's degrees from Pakistan, India and Bangladesh, for example, generally are considered equal to an Australian diploma, and thus generally would be in Group B.

Whether a country's bachelor's degree is equal to an Australian bachelor's degree depends on how that country is ranked in the Country Education Profile.


Peter

Kamran Mansoor

Thanks Ptlabs(or actual name).
I guess you agree with the rest of my reply except "equivalence of dgree".

I also agree on this point .

Karma , you only need to see your university's profile ,

I guess you are from India /Pak, even if it is missing , try to arrange it of your own and provide them,probality of your success will increase.

if it is present ,there will/should be no problem ,you should .....

Best Regards
Kamran

Karma

Kamran Mansoor wrote in message news:...
    > Thanks Ptlabs(or actual name).
    > I guess you agree with the rest of my reply except "equivalence
    > of dgree".
    >
    > I also agree on this point .
    >
    > Karma , you only need to see your university's profile ,
    >
    > I guess you are from India /Pak, even if it is missing , try to arrange
    > it of your own and provide them,probality of your success will increase.
    >
    > if it is present ,there will/should be no problem ,you should .....
    >
    > Best Regards
    > Kamran


Kamran and Peter
There is a grey area at present for sure deeming date is an issue in
case of RPL as they consider it as equivalent to qualifacation and u
must have experience after that date.

But when the degree is four year computer science then there is no
question of deeming date.
To clear you Peter about accredation of Indian Software Degrees.Indian
Compuetr degree is one of the best in the industry till the graduation
level as Indian IT professional are the most sort after.
But i would agree with you that Post Graduation here is not one of the
best and that too depends on the Institute.

Since this is a new rule no one actually knows how DIMA considers the
specific work experience as the outcome of this is yet to be seen .

Moreover there is an ACS comment on my latter which states to be an
Advancing IT professional maybe that helps.So we are all basically
trying to read the rule in our own preception.

Thanks
KARMA

baloo

I don't think Peter is trying to say anything about whether Indian degrees are better than other degrees or not. He is simply saying that the Australian authorities have a set of regulations which they follow as to how to assess degrees from other countries. For India, it may be that the degrees awarded are not considered by DIMA/ACS to be the same as an Australian degree, but an Australian diploma.
There is nothing you can do about that unfortunately. As Peter says, you would need to check the Country Education Profile to see what your degree would be equivalent to.

And, as stated by others, you have a deeming date of January 2002. That is as assessed by ACS. DIMA will only count any experience you have after January 2002, therefore you will not get the 10 points for specific experience. There doesn't seem to be any communication yet from DIMA or anyone else to the contrary as to how the deeming date is interpreted.

Kamran Mansoor

Well,If we talk specifically keeping in mind your case,I should say that

1)Your case was not RPL(please correct me), So the date deeming /inferral is not correct.If it is RPL then there is no issue,ACS letter is fine.

Now some personal knowledge:

1)Deeming Date was/is always present in RPL

2)Now Group B also contains date

3)Group A does not/shouldnot contain any date(Post OCT1).So one can count past experience.

4)Degrees from many of the Indian univerities are considered equivalent.

5)Degrees of most of the recognised ,government and private sector universities from Pakistan ,providing IT education are considered equivalent. Rest I have no knowldge ,so will not say.

I would also like to advise ,instead of discussing on general things and trends , do some research and expend some time keeping in mind just your case if you are not an RPL.I am very sure you will be able to save tyour 10 points.

Best Regards
Kamran

Karma

baloo wrote in message news:...
    > Originally posted by Karma
    > > To clear you Peter about accredation of Indian Software Degrees.Indian
    > > Compuetr degree is one of the best in the industry till the graduation
    > > level as Indian IT professional are the most sort after.
    > > But i would agree with you that Post Graduation here is not one of the
    > > best and that too depends on the Institute.
    > >
    > I don't think Peter is trying to say anything about whether Indian
    > degrees are better than other degrees or not. He is simply saying that
    > the Australian authorities have a set of regulations which they follow
    > as to how to assess degrees from other countries. For India, it may be
    > that the degrees awarded are not considered by DIMA/ACS to be the same
    > as an Australian degree, but an Australian diploma.
    > There is nothing you can do about that unfortunately. As Peter says, you
    > would need to check the Country Education Profile to see what your
    > degree would be equivalent to.
    >
    > And, as stated by others, you have a deeming date of January 2002. That
    > is as assessed by ACS. DIMA will only count any experience you have
    > after January 2002, therefore you will not get the 10 points for
    > specific experience. There doesn't seem to be any communication yet from
    > DIMA or anyone else to the contrary as to how the deeming date is
    > interpreted.

Maybe you are right in your presecption of things by the way my ACS
has been given group A and i enquired from the Australian immigration
in USA they said as per there DIMA booklet they will consider the work
expedrience from the date Degree awarded for Group A .may be that
helps

ptlabs

You're free to believe what you choose. I hope you don't wake up to a rude shock one day...

1. Group A assessments (post Oct 1, 2002) do have deeming dates.

2. Pakistani and Indian bachelor's degrees are generally equivalent to an Aussie diploma. No amount of arguing can change what's in the CEP. Go take a look at it if you want to do some research. Again, not all degrees are treated as an Aussie degree, no matter what you think or how you feel about their prestige.

You tend to want to project that you have ample knowledge in immigration matters, so it would be wise to back up that attempted projection with some research on your own.


Peter

Karma

Kamran Mansoor wrote in message news:...
    > Well,If we talk specifically keeping in mind your case,I should say that
    >
    > 1)Your case was not RPL(please correct me), So the date deeming
    > /inferral is not correct.If it is RPL then there is no issue,ACS
    > letter is fine.
    >
    > Now some personal knowledge:
    >
    > 1)Deeming Date was/is always present in RPL
    >
    > 2)Now Group B also contains date
    >
    > 3)Group A does not/shouldnot contain any date(Post OCT1).So one can
    > count past experience.
    >
    > 4)Degrees from many of the Indian univerities are considered equivalent.
    >
    > 5)Degrees of most of the recognised ,government and private sector
    > universities from Pakistan ,providing IT education are considered
    > equivalent. Rest I have no knowldge ,so will not say.
    >
    > I would also like to advise ,instead of discussing on general things and
    > trends , do some research and expend some time keeping in mind just your
    > case if you are not an RPL.I am very sure you will be able to save tyour
    > 10 points.
    >
    > Best Regards
    > Kamran

HI Kamran,
You are right BE CS is in Group A so there is no question of deeming
date.
See for Group A they require 4 years of work experience and for Group
B they require 6 years.Mine is 51/2 years its so simple a logic that
mine falls under group A.
About RPL it is ok there is deeming date as that experience constitute
there Computer knowledge .So they require more work experience after
that date.This was basically done to stop IT Band Wagon as majority of
the guys who had applied for PR using ACS used RPL way and are doing
something else in there country.
A person with genuine CS degree need not worry about deeming date as
if there ACS is +ve means they are accepted and hence all is well.

Soon will hear +ve result by DIMA for me.

Thanks
Rohit

baloo

Karma
A few people here have attempted to give you help on your questions....
Yet when they offer help you seem to contradict them by saying how you think the situation will be interpreted by DIMA.

I don't think you're going to get the answers you want on this group.
So as Peter says, perhaps you need to do some more research, or even hire a migration agent.

Good luck

Raj

hi to all,

I am a computer engineer and passed out in 1997 from india.

I have already applied in october(24th 2002) for australia migration.

The assesment was done in june 2002 and leteer states as


The applicant has a bachelor degree which is equivalent to Australian
AQF Advance Diploma in computing.
Another line says

The experience for the applicannt has been as:


04/1998-02/2002 systems engineer
10/1997-03/1998 systems engineer

It means i have 4+ yrs of experience as the letter says.
There is no deeming date or anything else which related to date is
written.

can anybody tell me how many points will i get for this experience?


I was assessed pre october.What the point will i get?

Thanks in advance

Raj

amarshah

Hi Karma,
As far as my limited knowledge goes, post October 1, 2002 applications (all categories) contain deeming/inferred dates/met requirements. I think your need to double check with an agent or you may get a shock after 52+ weeks and be poorer by AU$ 1745/-. I dont think there is any harm in double checking with an agent, just to be sure. Better still why dont you send a mail to DIMIA (Adelaide) and get a reply directly from them.
Amar