Vk

Hi,
I am expecting my PR soon. I want to be in Melbourne. After
searching some job sites and newsgroups, I know I won't be able to
arrange for my job prior to my reaching to OZ. But still I want to
have some idea about the job market for my skills and exp.
I am an IT guy with 15 yrs of experience. For the last 5 yrs., I am
working in USA.I have worked in Oracle corp., Iona Tech.,
DaimlerChrysler to name a few in US. I have master's in Comp Sc and
Sun Certifications. My area of expertise is java, J2EE, weblogic AS,
Oracle AS, OO, UML, webservices, Orion, Unix etc. Very hardworking and
can work in tight schedule.
Please advice.

Thanks in advance for yor info
VK

Mat

EveryITman and his dog is over here at the moment.
I hear you've a better chance in Brisbane.


"vk" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > Hi,
    > I am expecting my PR soon. I want to be in Melbourne. After
    > searching some job sites and newsgroups, I know I won't be able to
    > arrange for my job prior to my reaching to OZ. But still I want to
    > have some idea about the job market for my skills and exp.
    > I am an IT guy with 15 yrs of experience. For the last 5 yrs., I am
    > working in USA.I have worked in Oracle corp., Iona Tech.,
    > DaimlerChrysler to name a few in US. I have master's in Comp Sc and
    > Sun Certifications. My area of expertise is java, J2EE, weblogic AS,
    > Oracle AS, OO, UML, webservices, Orion, Unix etc. Very hardworking and
    > can work in tight schedule.
    > Please advice.
    > Thanks in advance for yor info
    > VK

Thunder Ace

"Mat" wrote in message news:...
    > EveryITman and his dog is over here at the moment.

    > I hear you've a better chance in Brisbane.

Like Hell it is. I've tried, don't expect quick results.

    >
    >
    > "vk" wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > Hi,
    > > I am expecting my PR soon. I want to be in Melbourne. After
    > > searching some job sites and newsgroups, I know I won't be able to
    > > arrange for my job prior to my reaching to OZ. But still I want to
    > > have some idea about the job market for my skills and exp.
    > > I am an IT guy with 15 yrs of experience. For the last 5 yrs., I am
    > > working in USA.I have worked in Oracle corp., Iona Tech.,
    > > DaimlerChrysler to name a few in US. I have master's in Comp Sc and
    > > Sun Certifications. My area of expertise is java, J2EE, weblogic AS,
    > > Oracle AS, OO, UML, webservices, Orion, Unix etc. Very hardworking and
    > > can work in tight schedule.
    > > Please advice.
    > >
    > > Thanks in advance for yor info
    > > VK

Vasantha

How bad is it there? Are job openings too few? Are there too many lay-offs? What kind of jobs are people finding in IT there - (J2EE developer, Oracle DBA, ERP)?

thanks

Lana

The IT market sucks all over the world. If you have a great paying job now, don't go. However, if you are like my husband, working his butt off to have the standard of living that any McD's employee would have in Australia - and like him, willing to work at McD's - then I say go.

FredDed

I've been looking for an IT job in Sydney for about a month now... it's not all dead though there are a lot of people looking... everything was closed during Christmas and nobody wanted to hire. The same 5 jobs were recycled on all the job search websites for about 3 weeks (SAP consultant born in 1955 with 100 years of jxtysupwoe experience). Searched this morning and found 8 jobs that I could apply for... was heartening. I also got a couple of calls back yesterday, so maybe it's not all just hopeless optimism.

Even so, if you're willing to do whatever work you can get to start with it's not bad.... I've done a few temp jobs paying about $15-18 an hour (averaging about $600 a week before taxes). I pay about $200/week in rent for a one bedroom in a nice area (well, nicer than Queens in New York), have no debts and came with enough cash to cover the first 6 months.

I'm 25 and from New York. I can't complain about Sydney. It's not as glamarous as I thought it would be and some parts look like the old west (American west, that is). But I love it here. You can get to some amazing national parks and beaches within an hour by train. We've been going every weekend to some place new. Even though my partner and I don't make much we can enjoy a decent lifestyle.. in New York the words 'temp' and 'decent lifestyle' don't go together - food is cheap enough and if you can make do without the fancy restaurants and order beer instead martinis for a while you'll do fine. Coincidentally does anyone know why a bottle of Smirnoff costs close to A$60 here?

Something else that's missing are the glamorous shops that you find everywhere in Manhattan - the large, excessively bright ones with 3 handbags and two maroon leather pants arranged in a post-modern style (maybe I'm thinking of Soho)... You can find it all if you want but I haven't felt the same urge to buy buy buy that I do all the time in New York (same goes for London). And even though it made me panic on the job front, I have to admire a place where people feel confident enough to close their stores and restaurants for upto 3 weeks during Christmas in this day and age..

While I can't complain about Sydney, I definitely can about Canberra.. the place wasn't built for humans... or by humans in my opinion. We decided to go since it's the only other city you can drive to from Sydney for a weekend. Unfortunately the first kangaroo we saw (the first one in my life) was roadkill on the road to Canberra. The next few, however, were happily hopping around (pause for dramatic realization that I'm at the other end of the world and far from everything I've ever known).. you can find them everywhere outside Canberra which is perhaps the one saving grace of the place. The lake isn't too bad either.. it's in the middle of the city but you can swim in it.

Anyway, enough of my ranting.. just wanted to let everyone know that there's a whole world beyond the little piece of paper they stick on your passport. It's not easy starting everything again, but it's worth it.. I miss home but this is what I always wanted to do and amazingly enough I'm doing it. I have to think of that everyday.. IT jobs will come and go (and trust me, they have), but what helps me sleep at night is the fact that I made a decision, I stuck by it and in my opinion I'm now reaping the benefits. Even if I was, as some previous poster put it so eloquently, 'shovelling shit' for a living, I'd be happy.

Good luck to everyone who wants to make it here..

Tom Clasener

On Fri, 10 Jan 2003 04:22:09 +0000, FredDed
wrote:

    >I've been looking for an IT job in Sydney for about a month now... it's
    >not all dead though there are a lot of people looking... everything was
    >closed during Christmas and nobody wanted to hire. The same 5 jobs were
    >recycled on all the job search websites for about 3 weeks (SAP
    >consultant born in 1955 with 100 years of jxtysupwoe experience).
    >Searched this morning and found 8 jobs that I could apply for... was
    >heartening. I also got a couple of calls back yesterday, so maybe it's
    >not all just hopeless optimism.
I've just been speaking today to a friend of mine who's been in IT for
20+ years. He told me the IT job market isn't as dead as people might
believe. If you go by job ads in the local press you might disbelieve
him but he says that most jobs aren't advertised as they once would
have been. Instead the job requirements go directly to "headhunter"
organisations who then seek to match people to the job descriptions.
He went on to say that the best way to find these jobs was to post
your resume to as many headhunter organisations as you can AND be
detailed in what your experience is. Remember that the headhunters
work on matching words and phrases so leave nothing to chance. Use
decriptive terms when writing your resume so less IT aware headhunters
have a chance of matching you with your prospective employers
requirements.
Happy hunting

Tom




.

You can't win.
You can't break even.
You can't stop playing the game.

Leigh

Also - you can get an idea of what's being advertised in australia on
job search websites like:

www.seek.com.au (a pretty commonly used one)
www.careerone.com.au
www.monster.com.au

and government sites like:

www.jobs.qld.gov.au

www.bandt.com.au is good for media industry info and jobs
http://www.aquent.com.au/ is supposed to be good for graphic design /
some IT stuff.... (not my area of expertise - but has been recommended
for this purpose)

hope this helps a bit,

L

rapitts

hmmmm..........

There are too many non-IT thinking people in IT jobs....this is the real problem !!!!

If your really looking to get a interview, I would expand your CV in great detail on any major IT projects.

ian

[A perspective from a newpom in Sydney]

Jobs are _very_ competitive.

An agency that I spoke with before Christmas said that they were getting around 400 applications per post.

This isn't to day that it is impossible to get a job though. The big hurdle is the agency. When we arrived in October, each night I sat in the evenings sending my CV (sorry, that would be resume!) for endless positions on the 'usual' job sites, and heard nothing. The occasional 'sorry you're not suitable' and this was for posts requiring 1 year commercial experience in technology X, Y & Z when I had 5 years!

At this point we became pretty depressed about the whole thing...why did we come here...giving up family, jobs, house, friends, ... oops, whinger alert, and that wont do?!

Just before the 'Chrissie' hols, I decided to rewrite my 'resume' from scratch (it had never failed in the UK...but I aint there anymore!), and went for a much more contemporary, punchier, bullety style. From this simple change I was getting around 40% feedback, not all positive, but now they [the agencies] were interested.

Anyway, Australia 'appears' to close for Christmas, so it went pretty quiet. First week back after the new year, sent off 'resume' for another 6 posts, two returned phone calls....one of which you haven't got technology xxx. Other one...putting me forward...and after interview, a bit of hoop jumping (task set over the weekend), I got the job....phew!

Morale of the story...wine is cheap in Australia

Good luck


PS. I never found it beneficial to include a cover letter for the agencies when applying on the web. If they want something from you to increase your chance.....they will ask you for it....so just send, send, send...

Remember that they get paid if you get the job!

Agencies are 'rumoured' to make fake jobs to make them look more marketable to employers...not that I believe this


Other places to look are newpapers etc when you get here (The Sydney Morning Herald is your own personal sliced tree on a Saturday and includes a career suppliment with job ads. Only problem with some of those is the drawn out application process when they have an intern already for the job (gov. posts have to be externally advertised even if they have a desirable person)

Vk

Hi,
Would like to get more info on this. Any other suggestion or advice is great.

Regards

VK

rapitts wrote in message news:...
    > hmmmm..........
    >
    > There are too many non-IT thinking people in IT jobs....this is the real
    > problem !!!!
    >
    > If your really looking to get a interview, I would expand your CV in
    > great detail on any major IT projects.