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Old Oct 5th 2010 | 9:47 am
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Baby Bonus Info: http://www.familyassist.gov.au/payme...ts/baby-bonus/

It's paid in 13 fortnightly payments so you'll need to be here for 6 months. Personally that annoys me - you are using medicare for free and claiming the baby bonus and contributing nothing. Shame.
 
Old Oct 5th 2010 | 12:21 pm
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Now now, lets not rush to judgement, maybe the OP has to care for an aged relative or something like that and is planning to move to Aus in a couple of years. Having the child in his home country woudl mean having to add them to the visa at a significant cost etc. And having an Oz citizen child does not fast track the OP for citizenship or anything like that.
 
Old Oct 5th 2010 | 12:23 pm
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Originally Posted by James516
Now now, lets not rush to judgement, maybe the OP has to care for an aged relative or something like that and is planning to move to Aus in a couple of years. Having the child in his home country woudl mean having to add them to the visa at a significant cost etc. And having an Oz citizen child does not fast track the OP for citizenship or anything like that.
No, but asking about the baby bonus does say he's very interested in the taking but not the giving aspects of PR.
 
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No, but asking about the baby bonus does say he's very interested in the taking but not the giving aspects of PR.
I'm interested in understanding how the government deals with that. By the way, the airlines tickets (only) will cost me AUD 4,000, plus the hospital fees, accommodation etc.

The PR, landing and job search cost me AUD 10,000 already. Isn't it my right to check how I can make use of the PR?

The PR doesn't guarantee any job opportunities while employers are only after local experience!

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To get an Aussie passport you will need an Aussie citizen who has known the child since birth to sign the application and if you are going back to a country where visa's are needed for Aussie passport holders you will also have to arrange this once you have the Aussie passport.

Unless you are planning on staying here once the child is born you may find the hassles and costs of coming over for a couple of months over the birth period are more than staying where you are and applying for a child visa.
 
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Originally Posted by A.I.Hassan
I'm interested in understanding how the government deals with that. By the way, the airlines tickets (only) will cost me AUD 4,000, plus the hospital fees, accommodation etc.

The PR, landing and job search cost me AUD 10,000 already. Isn't it my right to check how I can make use of the PR?

The PR doesn't guarantee any job opportunities while employers are only after local experience!

Thanks!
I understand that airline tickets cost money. Ours cost well over $10k US for a family of 4. But that is the price you pay for wanting to emigrate. Yes, you have a right to check how you can make use of the PR. I, as a taxpayer have a right to be angry with people who choose to land, give birth, take the baby bonus and then piss off back to their own country without giving anything back in the form of paying taxes.

Hospital fees are $0 for PR because you are entitled to Medicare. Unless you choose for some reason to pay for your baby's birth, that is.

As for a job and landing, again that's the price to be paid for wanting to be a permanent resident of Australia. Nobody promised you a free ride here or a job. There are many stories of people who came and struggled for months without a job.
 
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Originally Posted by Dorothy
Hospital fees are $0 for PR because you are entitled to Medicare. Unless you choose for some reason to pay for your baby's birth, that is.
As far as I understand, being a PR/citizen isn't enough to be Medicare eligible - you should normally have to be living in Australia.
 
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Originally Posted by JAJ
As far as I understand, being a PR/citizen isn't enough to be Medicare eligible - you should normally have to be living in Australia.
Good point, we had to prove we were here to live to Medicare before they would register us. For us a solicitors letter regarding the sale of our UK house and one way airline tickets was OK. This may have also been because the visa was initially validated via a holiday.
 
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Originally Posted by Pollyana
Not being a parent, don't know.
If you want us Aussie taxpayers to give you $5000 towards bringing up your chuild though, don't you think maybe you should make a slightly bigger commitment to the country than just flying in for the birth and then leaving again?
+1. If this really is the intention then this is the kind of abuse that leads to governments withdrawing services and benefits. Simple way round this, you only get the $5000 upon the birth if you have lived and paid tax in Australia for 5 years before the birth.
 
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+1. If this really is the intention then this is the kind of abuse that leads to governments withdrawing services and benefits. Simple way round this, you only get the $5000 upon the birth if you have lived and paid tax in Australia for 5 years before the birth.
I consider the AUD 10K, that I paid to get the visa and validating it, is a contribution to the Australian economy in a way or another.

Plus to get the baby bonus I have to live in Australia for six months after birth which isn't doable from my current employer's point of view. So, Aussie taxpayers don't worry, no one will probably do so!

Back to the original subject, the information I gathered so far is:

(1) Children born after 20 August 1986 are only Australian citizens if at least one parent was an Australian citizen or permanent resident at the time of their birth.
(2) I will need to get a passport for the new baby before I leave Australia.
(3) I will need an Aussie citizen who has known the child since birth to sign the application.

Does anyone know something else?

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Originally Posted by A.I.Hassan
I consider the AUD 10K, that I paid to get the visa and validating it, is a contribution to the Australian economy in a way or another.

Plus to get the baby bonus I have to live in Australia for six months after birth which isn't doable from my current employer's point of view. So, Aussie taxpayers don't worry, no one will probably do so!

Back to the original subject, the information I gathered so far is:

(1) Children born after 20 August 1986 are only Australian citizens if at least one parent was an Australian citizen or permanent resident at the time of their birth.
(2) I will need to get a passport for the new baby before I leave Australia.
(3) I will need an Aussie citizen who has known the child since birth to sign the application.

Does anyone know something else?

Thanks!
How did you pay to validate your visa?
 
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Originally Posted by Seneca21
How did you pay to validate your visa?
More importantly WHY did they pay? The cost of flights is paid to the airline and is not a validation cost - and when applying to migrate to Australia its fairly obvious that flights will be required at some point. If the OP was charged purely for validating the visa that doesn't sound right.
 
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Originally Posted by Pollyana
More importantly WHY did they pay? The cost of flights is paid to the airline and is not a validation cost - and when applying to migrate to Australia its fairly obvious that flights will be required at some point. If the OP was charged purely for validating the visa that doesn't sound right.
This is what I'm getting at.
 
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More importantly WHY did they pay? The cost of flights is paid to the airline and is not a validation cost - and when applying to migrate to Australia its fairly obvious that flights will be required at some point. If the OP was charged purely for validating the visa that doesn't sound right.
I was just trying to be short.

By validation I meant the whole cost of the validation trip (and not only the airline tickets which cost around 30% of the total cost), including the hotel reservations, transportation, food, entertainment, etc. No one asked me for "validation fees" as such.
 
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Originally Posted by A.I.Hassan
I was just trying to be short.

By validation I meant the whole cost of the validation trip (and not only the airline tickets which cost around 30% of the total cost), including the hotel reservations, transportation, food, entertainment, etc. No one asked me for "validation fees" as such.
But surely you knew when you applied that you would have to pay for this kind of thing? Its just accepted that you're going to have to pay that sort of thing when you apply for migration to somewhere
To be honest I think what has got people's backs up was the suggestion of moving to Aus "just"to have the baby and claim the baby binus - we have seen similar posts from people who have moved here for a couple of months, signed up for benefits, then go home and still claim the beneifts. To those of us paying taxes here this sometimes seems a bit of a liberty.
 


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