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Old Feb 25th 2012 | 11:55 pm
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Hi everyone,

I'm a british citizen looking to stay permanently in Australia. I have met a man who I absolutely adore but the problem is he has already sponsored two people to live here; apparently this is the most you are allowed?

Can anyone tell me a way around this? I can do a years farm work which will give me a little more time to figure something out but even that is proving difficult to find, and I don't want to be that far away from him for that long!

Any advice would be much appreciated on which would be the best route for me.

Thanks
 
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Originally Posted by DANGERMOUSE800
Hi everyone,

I'm a british citizen looking to stay permanently in Australia. I have met a man who I absolutely adore but the problem is he has already sponsored two people to live here; apparently this is the most you are allowed?

Can anyone tell me a way around this? I can do a years farm work which will give me a little more time to figure something out but even that is proving difficult to find, and I don't want to be that far away from him for that long!

Any advice would be much appreciated on which would be the best route for me.

Thanks
When you say he has sponsored two people, do you mean he actually sponsored them for Spouse/Partner visas, or for other ones?

http://www.immi.gov.au/allforms/booklets/1127.pdf The partner booklet, pages 15-16 has the limitation info.

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He has sponsored two other partners. It seems silly that they can put on limit on who you fall in love with? Who can predict how our relationships turn out?
 
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Originally Posted by DANGERMOUSE800
He has sponsored two other partners. It seems silly that they can put on limit on who you fall in love with? Who can predict how our relationships turn out?
It doesn't look as if its cut and dried though, the Partner booklet does talk about a waiver being available so it could be that its looked at on a case by case basis. I honestly don't remember it coming up on here before, and until I read that bit tonight in detail I didn't know about the waiver. It may well be that if you have a strong enough relationship, and there are good reasons why your partner's previous relationships didn't work out, then you might be OK.
I think you might be best chatting to an agent - a lot of them will do an initial consultation for free. Have a look through the forum and you'll find a lot of recommendations; two that always have a good reputation are Alan Collett and George Lombard.
 
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Originally Posted by DANGERMOUSE800
He has sponsored two other partners. It seems silly that they can put on limit on who you fall in love with? Who can predict how our relationships turn out?
It doesn't seem at all silly to me. The odds of somebody having three defacto relationships with people without the right to live in Australia must be quite low really. It will be protection against fraud, it does happen you know.
 
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Originally Posted by DANGERMOUSE800
He has sponsored two other partners. It seems silly that they can put on limit on who you fall in love with? Who can predict how our relationships turn out?
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It doesn't seem at all silly to me. The odds of somebody having three defacto relationships with people without the right to live in Australia must be quite low really. It will be protection against fraud, it does happen you know.
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It's perfectly valid to have this rule in place to try & prevent fraud. I'm not doubting the validity of your relationship, but there are undoubtedly others out there that wouldn't have any hesitation in abusing this route to get someone into Australia. Whilst I do feel sorry for genuine applicants that get caught by this rule, for the most part, I think it's quite fair.
 
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Originally Posted by DANGERMOUSE800
He has sponsored two other partners. It seems silly that they can put on limit on who you fall in love with? Who can predict how our relationships turn out?
How old is this man and what happened to the other partners!
 
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Could he come and live in the UK for a while - that would allow you time to prove your relationship to the Aus government?
 
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Originally Posted by mrsgreenstar76
+1

It's perfectly valid to have this rule in place to try & prevent fraud. I'm not doubting the validity of your relationship, but there are undoubtedly others out there that wouldn't have any hesitation in abusing this route to get someone into Australia. Whilst I do feel sorry for genuine applicants that get caught by this rule, for the most part, I think it's quite fair.
Which is why the booklet talks about waivers.

It dioesn't only apply to de facto, it applies to PMV and Spouse as well, and yes I can see the reasons for it. However DIAC obviously recognises (in this case!) that life isn't always black and white and there is provision for a waiver if they feel the circumstances merit it - death of the partner, partner "using the sponsor" to get in then walking away, I can think of a hundred different scenarios.
I really do suggest professional advice though, in order to put forward the circumstances in the best light possible.
 
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Which is why the booklet talks about waivers.

It dioesn't only apply to de facto, it applies to PMV and Spouse as well, and yes I can see the reasons for it. However DIAC obviously recognises (in this case!) that life isn't always black and white and there is provision for a waiver if they feel the circumstances merit it - death of the partner, partner "using the sponsor" to get in then walking away, I can think of a hundred different scenarios.
I really do suggest professional advice though, in order to put forward the circumstances in the best light possible.
We were just replying to the comment that it was a silly rule. I think the optimal solution is the one in place, to have the rule (which is not at all silly) with the provision for waivers.
 
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Originally Posted by Pollyana
Which is why the booklet talks about waivers.

It dioesn't only apply to de facto, it applies to PMV and Spouse as well, and yes I can see the reasons for it. However DIAC obviously recognises (in this case!) that life isn't always black and white and there is provision for a waiver if they feel the circumstances merit it - death of the partner, partner "using the sponsor" to get in then walking away, I can think of a hundred different scenarios.
I really do suggest professional advice though, in order to put forward the circumstances in the best light possible.
As BS said, it was a reply to the comment that it's a "silly rule". I don't think it's in any way silly. Fair enough that there are waivers for genuine situations that may require them, and yes, the OP should get professional help, but it's good that the rule is in place to stop people who aren't genuine from abusing the partner visa system.
 
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Originally Posted by Bermudashorts
We were just replying to the comment that it was a silly rule. I think the optimal solution is the one in place, to have the rule (which is not at all silly) with the provision for waivers.
Originally Posted by mrsgreenstar76
As BS said, it was a reply to the comment that it's a "silly rule". I don't think it's in any way silly. Fair enough that there are waivers for genuine situations that may require them, and yes, the OP should get professional help, but it's good that the rule is in place to stop people who aren't genuine from abusing the partner visa system.
I wasn't having a go at either of you! Its just that I honestly don't think this waiver has ever come before on here, and I'm not sure the OP realises that it could be her way round the issue.
Also BS mentioned de facto relationships, so I thought I should make it clear the rules on multiple sponsorships apply to PMV and Spouse through marriage as well
 
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Originally Posted by Pollyana
I wasn't having a go at either of you! Its just that I honestly don't think this waiver has ever come before on here, and I'm not sure the OP realises that it could be her way round the issue.
Also BS mentioned de facto relationships, so I thought I should make it clear the rules on multiple sponsorships apply to PMV and Spouse through marriage as well
That's fair enough.
 
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Rules are rules and MUST be adhered to
 
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Rules are rules and MUST be adhered to
May I draw your attention to Rule number 78214 sub section 62 paragraph 15

And I quote

" and upon application for residency, all pommie immigrants must immediately don rose tinted spectacles, which may not be removed for the durarion of their application process or until they realise they have been conned into a 12,000 mile journey to throw good money after bad into a money pit, whichever date is the earlier.

nb "Rose Tinteded Glasses must confirm to Australian Standard 126/12c part a and may only be issued by a licensed seller of Rose Tinted Glasses as per The Screwing of Every Cent we Can out of the suspecting public under the pretence of protecting the wellfare health and safety of the general Population Act 1847.
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