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Old Mar 14th 2011, 9:08 pm
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The SS Visa should be like the partner visa, it should be a 2 year temp visa, once the two years is up if you have lived and worked in your state the whole time you get PR, if not you go home. Just like the partner visa, would be easy to control.
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Originally Posted by PamE
I can assure you I have done more than read "a few news websites".

Quite frankly I find all this talk of fraud, abuse etc with regard to LEGAL use of SS visas to be completely bonkers.
Let me explain it to you this way:

Mr X wants to go to Australia ----> Applies for SS with state Y (whilst secretly thinking "hehe, I'm going to live in state Z") ----> Gets granted SS ----> Applies for visa X ----> Lands in Australia ----> Immediately goes to state Z.

Therefore, Mr X has received that visa by lying to the state involved and DIAC. So yes, it is fraud.
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Originally Posted by PamE
Quite frankly I find all this talk of fraud, abuse etc with regard to LEGAL use of SS visas to be completely bonkers.
We all know what's happening is legal, that's not my point at all. All I'm saying is that people make a deal then they should at least TRY and stick to it. At the moment SS is just being used as a massive loophole by people to get into Australia, people who have zero interest in staying in the sponsoring State.

For me personally, I think that's an abuse of the system and shows a lack of morality.... old fashioned I know, but there you go.
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For me personally, I think that's an abuse of the system and shows a lack of morality.... old fashioned I know, but there you go.
I completely agree.
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Originally Posted by canadaeh
The SS Visa should be like the partner visa, it should be a 2 year temp visa, once the two years is up if you have lived and worked in your state the whole time you get PR, if not you go home. Just like the partner visa, would be easy to control.
Indeed.
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Can I just clarify at this point, that we are not planning on doing anything immoral, illegal or otherwise.....i merely asked a tricky question coz the whole emigration thing so far has been the most frustrating thin in the world!! I would hate to think my questions have allowed readers to judge my morals. We are a hardworking couple who want the best for our son - simple.
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Originally Posted by JoRobertson
Can I just clarify at this point, that we are not planning on doing anything immoral, illegal or otherwise.....i merely asked a tricky question coz the whole emigration thing so far has been the most frustrating thin in the world!! I would hate to think my questions have allowed readers to judge my morals. We are a hardworking couple who want the best for our son - simple.
That's fair enough. I can appreciate that. I think it's just stemmed from other replies. This particular issue has a tendency to runaway. No-one's judging your morals! I wish you luck with the application
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Originally Posted by JoRobertson
Can I just clarify at this point, that we are not planning on doing anything immoral, illegal or otherwise.....i merely asked a tricky question coz the whole emigration thing so far has been the most frustrating thin in the world!! I would hate to think my questions have allowed readers to judge my morals. We are a hardworking couple who want the best for our son - simple.
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there was an original question
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Originally Posted by mrsgreenstar76
Actually, I find the immigration situation quite interesting from the perspective of being involved with the UK equivalents, and therefore probably know more than what is on a few news websites. You are using that (as other people have pointed out) as a smokescreen. The point is, people do object to others cheating their way to a visa using fraud (yes, fraud) when others more deserving lose out.
Even migration agents will be upfront at the first interview along the lines of 'well I can probably get you state sponsorship from X. You don't actually need to go there....'
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Even migration agents will be upfront at the first interview along the lines of 'well I can probably get you state sponsorship from X. You don't actually need to go there....'
If a migration agent was actively supporting abuse of the system, I'd report them. Quite simple. I wouldn't trust an agent that encourages it.
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I'm gobsmacked by how many people seem to be getting their undies in a twist over something so benign. The next thing will be a Day of 'people who don't live in their sponsored state' Rage.

Why not direct so much vitriol towards something a little more heinous and unjust rather than 'oooh so and so has STOLEN a visa because they aren't in their nominated state' .......Maybe this topic has become a bit of an open wound on other threads but still......
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I'm gobsmacked by how many people seem to be getting their undies in a twist over something so benign. The next thing will be a Day of 'people who don't live in their sponsored state' Rage.

Why not direct so much vitriol towards something a little more heinous and unjust rather than 'oooh so and so has STOLEN a visa because they aren't in their nominated state' .......Maybe this topic has become a bit of an open wound on other threads but still......
It is being directed at that because that is what the subject has rolled around to. The reason people get irritated by it has already been explained.
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Originally Posted by Turban Explorer
I'm gobsmacked by how many people seem to be getting their undies in a twist over something so benign. The next thing will be a Day of 'people who don't live in their sponsored state' Rage.

Why not direct so much vitriol towards something a little more heinous and unjust rather than 'oooh so and so has STOLEN a visa because they aren't in their nominated state' .......Maybe this topic has become a bit of an open wound on other threads but still......
How hard can this be??

You (the collective you) make a deal. You don't honour that deal. You never had any intention of honouring the deal... it makes you a cheating ****er and if someone did it to you (and I do mean you this time) you would be up in arms about it.
I don't give a shit if what is going on is currently legal or not, or if they 'steal' someone else's visa. To me it means that the person involved is, at heart, a dishonest twunt.

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Originally Posted by iamthecreaturefromuranus
How hard can this be??

You (the collective you) make a deal. You don't honour that deal. You never had any intention of honouring the deal... it makes you a cheating ****er and if someone did it to you (and I do mean you this time) you would be up in arms about it.
I don't give a shit if what is going on is currently legal or not, or if they 'steal' someone else's visa. To me it means that the person involved is, at heart, a dishonest twunt.

Undies untwisted...
Agreed!
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