Dave Wynn

Any recent experiences from people getting their 457 Visa's? How does one
go about getting the job offer remotely when most of the job ads are aasking
for the "ability to work in Australia"? Almost a catch-22 situation ....
have people applied and been successful in getting firm job offers and then
getting their 457 visa from outside of Australia? of is it better to be
able to be in country for interviews, etc? What about use of firms like
FreeSpirit, etc -- any recommendations?
thanks ...

Jaj

Many 457 holders are people who have been transferred to work for
their company's Australian offshoots.

Getting around the no visa, no job catch 22 is very difficult unless
you have some skills in real demand in Australia, or are prepared to
work somewhere remote. In other words, employers have to be desperate
in order to sponsor. If they can recruit an Australian citizen, PR,
NZ citizen, or temporary resident with work rights to do the job,
someone outside these groups usually has no chance.

Employers also expect people to be physically in Australia. It's hard
even for Australian citizens to find jobs from offshore.

If you think you qualify for migration, then get accepted for PR
first, come to Australia, and then look for a job.

Jeremy

    >On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 20:21:13 GMT, "Dave Wynn" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >Any recent experiences from people getting their 457 Visa's? How does one
    >go about getting the job offer remotely when most of the job ads are aasking
    >for the "ability to work in Australia"? Almost a catch-22 situation ....
    >have people applied and been successful in getting firm job offers and then
    >getting their 457 visa from outside of Australia? of is it better to be
    >able to be in country for interviews, etc? What about use of firms like
    >FreeSpirit, etc -- any recommendations?
    >thanks ...

This is not intended to be legal advice in any jurisdiction

Dave Wynn

Thanks JAJ ... about what I expected to hear .... we are not interested in
migrating to Australia (too old for one thing, never pass the points
criteria). But we are very interested in some short term work (eg 12-18mos)
to allow us to work, travel and enjoy the country. We are not fussy about
where we work so even some small remote centres would be okay .... and just
need enough money to pay our expenses while we are there and to save enough
to enjoy some travelling around the country. Both my wife and I have
backgrounds in the IT field (which I know is teeming with people these days)
and could work in a number of areas such as Project Management (PMI
certified), network support (Novell, Groupwise, etc) user support, training,
testing, ......
So ... will continue to work with the firms I have contacted and try to see
about arranging telephone interviews, etc and even let them know we will
work in the 'boonies' if needed ...
Any other suggestions, recommendations would be appreciated ...
Thanks again to everyone ....

"JAJ" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > Many 457 holders are people who have been transferred to work for
    > their company's Australian offshoots.
    > Getting around the no visa, no job catch 22 is very difficult unless
    > you have some skills in real demand in Australia, or are prepared to
    > work somewhere remote. In other words, employers have to be desperate
    > in order to sponsor. If they can recruit an Australian citizen, PR,
    > NZ citizen, or temporary resident with work rights to do the job,
    > someone outside these groups usually has no chance.
    > Employers also expect people to be physically in Australia. It's hard
    > even for Australian citizens to find jobs from offshore.
    > If you think you qualify for migration, then get accepted for PR
    > first, come to Australia, and then look for a job.
    > Jeremy
    > >On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 20:21:13 GMT, "Dave Wynn" <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >Any recent experiences from people getting their 457 Visa's? How does
one
    > >go about getting the job offer remotely when most of the job ads are
aasking
    > >for the "ability to work in Australia"? Almost a catch-22 situation
....
    > >have people applied and been successful in getting firm job offers and
then
    > >getting their 457 visa from outside of Australia? of is it better to
be
    > >able to be in country for interviews, etc? What about use of firms like
    > >FreeSpirit, etc -- any recommendations?
    > >thanks ...
    > >
    > >
    > This is not intended to be legal advice in any jurisdiction

Jaj

Getting a job offer from a remote part of Australia is not easy,
especially in IT. But if you did find some hypothetical employer keen
to hire you that way, then there would be a good chance the employer
would be willing and able to sponsor. It's hard to get Australians to
relocate to remote locations.

In fact, in such a situation you might even be able to get employer
nominated permanent residence through the Regional Sponsored Migration
Scheme. Although there are a number of requirements, it is not
subject to the points test. The 45 age bar can sometimes be waived on
exceptional grounds, one example of which can be if the job is located
in a remote area.

Finding that employer is going to be the hard part, however.

Jeremy

    >On Sun, 14 Sep 2003 22:17:05 GMT, "Dave Wynn" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >Thanks JAJ ... about what I expected to hear .... we are not interested in
    >migrating to Australia (too old for one thing, never pass the points
    >criteria). But we are very interested in some short term work (eg 12-18mos)
    >to allow us to work, travel and enjoy the country. We are not fussy about
    >where we work so even some small remote centres would be okay .... and just
    >need enough money to pay our expenses while we are there and to save enough
    >to enjoy some travelling around the country. Both my wife and I have
    >backgrounds in the IT field (which I know is teeming with people these days)
    >and could work in a number of areas such as Project Management (PMI
    >certified), network support (Novell, Groupwise, etc) user support, training,
    >testing, ......
    >So ... will continue to work with the firms I have contacted and try to see
    >about arranging telephone interviews, etc and even let them know we will
    >work in the 'boonies' if needed ...
    >Any other suggestions, recommendations would be appreciated ...
    >Thanks again to everyone ....

This is not intended to be legal advice in any jurisdiction

pread

Dave,

We came out to Oz a year ago on a 457 visa, which was granted outside of Australia. Early in 2002, I contacted various Management Companies, most of whom expected you to be in the country before sponsoring you. Their idea was that you arrived on a short-term working visa, then they would sponsor you for the 457. That didn't overly interest me, as I had a wife and two yound kids to think about - what if I arrived, and the sponsoship didn't happen for whatever reason ? But I found one company called Pendragon who sponsored me while I was still living in Germany, pretty much because I have SAP skills, and SAP was (and is) on the MODL list. This is not a recommendation of Pendragon in any way - in fact I've hardly been ecstatic with their service since I arrived. But the possibility is there, it might be worth asking.

Good luck,
Paul.