Currently you do not meet the invited score:(
 

Hi All,

I am new to the forum.Looking forward for your response on query....

I had received Positive skill assessment from the ACS UNDER 263111(Computer Network and system Engineer) ANZSCO code on 5th September 2012.

I had filled up the EOI form truthfully & as per the Skills Assessment result received by me from ACS.Skill Select System had calculated my 70 points as per the below points:

a)relevant Employment in the Nominated Occupation(263111). 15 points in my case for 8 years of employment.
b. An Applicant is awarded points for the highest education . 15 in my case for my Bachelor’s degree.
c. Age – 30 points for my age, which is 32.
d. Language Proficiency – 10 points for my score of 7.0 or higher in each component of IELTS

I have received the following remarks from the Case office:(

“You were invited on a score of 70 points. Your assessed score is 60. As your assessed score does not meet the invited score, this application will be refused.”


As per the skills assessment provided from ACS dated 05/09/2012, your Associate Membership Examination Parts A and B from the Institution of Engineers completed in September 2010 has been assessed as comparable to an Australian Bachelor Degree. This means that your skilled level of employment begins only after September 2010. This would mean that you would only meet 3 out of 10 years of skilled employment points as you were invited on 01/10/2012.

AMIE is not a Regular B-TECH degree. This is a Professional Engineering degree, Awarded by the Institution of Engineers INDIA.You can enroll for it,only if you are an experienced Engineer(a minimum of 2 years work experience) who has an engineering Diploma or equivalent. When you do an AMIE Engineering degree, you can either quit your job and do it, or juggle your work an studies(which is much harder) like I did. Which means that I worked and studied at the same time.However out of my 8 years of experience (May 2004-Nov 2012) Case office is considering my experience only after September 2010.(Which comes out to be only 3 years:(

Guys please please help/guide me how to proceed in this case.

Re: Currently you do not meet the invited score:(
 

Well you could try explaining that to DIAC? It sounds like you have only got notice of being refus at this point.

But it is the case that in many professions the work experience only counts from the time that qualifications were obtained. Not really clear what you mean by this not being a "regular BTECH degree". Is it the only degree or qualification you have?

Re: Currently you do not meet the invited score:(
 

Thanks for your response...

I wanted the experts advice before sending a response to the DIAC.I will be sending the response to the case officer tomorrow.

I have completed a Diploma with a major in computing completed in May 2003.All my experience is post completion of the Diploma.

Re: Currently you do not meet the invited score:(
 

If you need an experts advice you would probably be best to contact a registered MARA agent for assistance :)

Re: Currently you do not meet the invited score:(
 

Agreed, if you want expert advice you have to pay for it.
Us non experts seem to agree that this is normal that immigration count your work experience as from when you finished your qualification. It doesn't sound like they are interested in your diploma, just the degree.

Other than pleading with them, not much you can do. I'm not sure that will help anyway. Good luck.

Re: Currently you do not meet the invited score:(
 

What work will you be seeking in Australia?

Re: Currently you do not meet the invited score:(
 

Sounds as if they have already refused, be aware that the penalty is harsh.


whether it was intentional or unintentional it seems that the case officer has already decided as he/she has plainly stated, and I think no matter of pleading and explaining will change that.

However you could appeal through the Migration Review Tribunal although its going cost another $1400 and at best if you win you get half that back. Maybe you should consult your migration agent (if you used one) if you don't have a migration agent then its possible that you have made a costly mistake by doing it yourself.

Re: Currently you do not meet the invited score:(
 

I'm fairly sure that MRT is out of the question for an offshore visa.

Re: Currently you do not meet the invited score:(
 

Seems fairly obvious that you don't the relevant experience. If you chose to 'embellish' your experience, you WILL be found out, they don't just take your word for it.

Re: Currently you do not meet the invited score:(
 

Well if that is the case and the CO has indicated that its a refusal, better luck next time (3 years)

Re: Currently you do not meet the invited score:(
 

That is really sad my friend. You should have used an agent. They would have seen other people with similar background and would have known how to properly present your case in a way that might have been more clearer.

Sorry to hear this but next time use an agent. If three years is too long, try somewhere else. Who knows what the rules will be at that time.

Life goes on, don't get disheartened.

Re: Currently you do not meet the invited score:(
 

My skills has been assessed by ACS and my entire work experience was mentioned by ACS in the Positive Skills Assessment as suitable for point test. ACS will clearly mention if it does consider some of the applicant's experience as part of meeting educational requirements.

Also I had a qualification equivalent to AQF Diploma with major in computing prior to starting my employment,and the same was considered by ACS as meeting the educational requirement for my occupation.

points were awarded to me by the Skill Select System. I have no control on the calculation done by Skill Select.

Re: Currently you do not meet the invited score:(
 

So have you told DIAC this? There is usually a window of opportunity to state your case before they refuse a visa. You need to be talking to them not posting on a forum if you are not doing so already.

Re: Currently you do not meet the invited score:(
 

I have emailed the case officer today.Waiting for her response now.

Has anyone got the invite if assessed score (By case officer) does not meet the invited score (Calculated by skill-select).

Were there any cases when the case officer was convinced???

Re: Currently you do not meet the invited score:(
 

What do you mean? This question makes no sense to me, case officers don't assess scores until an application is in, they don't assess scores at the invite stage.

Re: Currently you do not meet the invited score:(
 

No. If your score is different to what you claimed (intentionally or unintentionally), you are most likely going be refused - as you have already discovered.

Re: Currently you do not meet the invited score:(
 

Hi All,

Thanks to all for your inputs...

I would like to clarify that i had applied ACS for 263111 code.

I have qualification equivalent to AQF Diploma with major in computing which I did in year 2003 prior to starting my employment.

I got Positive skill assessment for 8 years experience from ACS (15 points awarded)

However I did my B.Tech along with my work and completed in the year 2010.So my highest qualification is Bachelor’s degree and i got 15 points for the same.

Case officer had missed the point that i have Diploma to prove my qualification prior to the work and she is reluctant to award points for experience before my B.TECH(i.e 2006-2010).I have explained the same situation to DIAC and waiting for their response.

Hope it is clear now....

Re: Currently you do not meet the invited score:(
 

It was clear before. ACS don't decide how many points you get. DIAC are the ones that decide whether your points match or not. You obtained your BTech in 2010, so most of the experience is pre-qualification.

Re: Currently you do not meet the invited score:(
 

I am sorry if i am unable to explain my situation....

The situation is i did my Diploma in 2003 and then 8 years of skilled experience...It should fetch me 15 points

EOPI asked me about my highest qualification which at this point of time is B.Tech so the skillselect gave me 15 Points for my b.Tech...

I hope i am meeting the criteria here......

Re: Currently you do not meet the invited score:(
 

There's no need to keep repeating it ad infinitum. It was clear the first time you posted - and in the subsequent posts too.

What it comes down to is that you believe that the experience you gained before the BTech should be usable for the purposes of points. DIAC appear to disagree with that.

Re: Currently you do not meet the invited score:(
 

Hi Mausam,

What you've encountered is known as a "deeming date". They say that if ACS accepted a qualification as relevant to being a professional then you couldn't have been a professional beforehand. This is just another example of how disingenuous DIAC is - they desperately try to tell people that they don't need migration agents but then to find out about their current deeming date approach you'd need to have purchased $2000 worth of databases and know how to research it.

Mausam if you haven't had a refusal already then I'm interested in helping, email below.

Cheers,

George Lombard

Re: Currently you do not meet the invited score:(
 

Hi

What is "deeming date"? Is this a new stuff?

Thanks

Re: Currently you do not meet the invited score:(
 

You can search that term on this forum - it used to be very common for ACS and TRA applications where the skills assessment said that someone had attained a skill level as of a particular date. Mausam needs an agent basically.

Cheers,

George Lombard

Re: Currently you do not meet the invited score:(
 

Hi George,

I had applied for this immigration through a migration agent.

Can i claim 8+ years along with my degree? I don't have any gape in my experience and I have proof for that.

Can you please tell me if Bachelor Degree points will be awarded to me as that is my highest qualification now.

Re: Currently you do not meet the invited score:(
 

Hi Mausam,

If your agent is a registered migration agent then they should be answering these questions. If the person is not registered then of course you get what you pay for, very sorry.

Cheers,

George Lombard

Re: Currently you do not meet the invited score:(
 

Many thanks George. Got it by search.

Cheers!!! :thumbsup:

Mausam, as your name suggesting I believe you are an Indian origin. If you need an agent then make sure that you are using a MARA agent like George. I do not think so that there are many in India who are registered, transparent and reliable. Hence, hiring agent like George who is vast experienced and helpful will be best option for you.

Re: Currently you do not meet the invited score:(
 

If I remember correctly, I was in a similar situation almost 10 years back. In fact ACS assessment came back as "unsuitable for migration". Then I asked George to be my agent. Now I am a citizen :-)

I would highly recommend George for these type of issues. He has dealt extensively with persons of Indian origin with Indian qualifications.

263111 & confusion on points for experience and qualification
 

As per the ANZSCO, the Skill Level entry requirement for the occupation of a Computer Network and Systems Engineer- ANZSCO - 263111 is a Bachelor degree or higher qualification. At least five years of relevant experience and or relevant vendor certification may substitute for the formal qualification.

Case Officer had replied:

->As per the skills assessment provided from ACS dated 05/09/2012, your Associate MembershipExamination Parts A and B from the Institution of Engineers completed in September 2010 has been assessed as comparable to an Australian Bachelor Degree.This means that your skilled
level of employment begins only after September 2010. This would mean that you would only meet 3 out of 10 years of skilled employment points as you were invited on 01/10/2012.
Question:If skilled employment is calculated after September than its 2 years by now and not 3 years.

->"total skilled work experience to the date of application equates to 8years and 4 months. If 5 years of work experience is taken in lieu of formal qualification, you will have only 3 years and 4 months of work at the skilled level provided you meet the employment requirements."

Case officer advised us to withdraw the case.We are planning to apply an EOI.

All Senior Memebers here meed your help and advice.......

Can you please let me know what is the highest qualification i should mention in EOI in the above snenario?

Re: 263111 & confusion on points for experience and qualification
 

As advised in your previous thread, you need to consult a registered migration agent.

Threads merged so people answering can see the whole story.

Re: 263111 & confusion on points for experience and qualification
 

As you have previously mentioned that you are using an agent - surely this is a question that they should be answering. If you are no longer using that agent, given your history with DIAC, you would be best advised to employ an agent such as George Lombard to get the best outcome possible rather than relying on forum members who may not be aware of all rules :)

Re: Currently you do not meet the invited score:(
 

Write an email to your DIAC case officer and CC your ACS case officer and for the last time explain your situation. . . ans points. .


We are sorry for you but it will not add any value for you. .
Try to negotiate with DIAC it is may a last hope. . .

Re: Currently you do not meet the invited score:(
 

Hi George,

Could you please explain on what a "deeming date" is?

I have received the ACS assessment as below :

Your Skills have been assessed to be suitable for migration under 263111 of the ANZSCO Code

Your qualification has been assessed as follows:

Your Bachelor of Engineering in Electronics & Communication from XYZ University completed August 2006 has been assessed as comparable to an AQF Bachelor Degree with a major in computing


The following employment after August 2010 is considered to equate to work at an appropriately skilled level and relavent to 263111 of the ANZSCO Code.



Dates 08/06 - 02/08 ( 1 Yr 6 Mths )
Position - XYZ
Employer - XYZ
Country - XYZ


Dates 03/08 - 09/09 ( 1 Yr 6 Mths )
Position - XYZ
Employer - XYZ
Country - XYZ


Dates 09/09 - 10/10 ( 1 Yr 1 Mths )
Position - XYZ
Employer - XYZ
Country - XYZ



Dates 10/10 - 10/11 ( 1 Yr 0 Mths )
Position - XYZ
Employer - XYZ
Country - XYZ



Dates 10/11 - 03/13 ( 1 Yr 5 Mths ) *
Position - XYZ
Employer - XYZ
Country - XYZ


*Currently Employed in the job




My question is, am I only allowed to claim points after August 2010 ( after - does this mean from Sept?? ). I am quite confused with the new assessment format. Could you please help me in understanding this...

Re: 263111 & confusion on points for experience and qualification
 

Hi Devand,

The issue is whether you can claim work experience as "skilled". Having a degree in IT (as assessed by ACS) generally means that you can claim all your work experience after August 2006 as "skilled". Much harder for people who don't have a relevant qualification and have had to go through the ACS's RPL procedure.

Good luck with your application.

Cheers,

George Lombard

Re: 263111 & confusion on points for experience and qualification
 

Thank you for the quick response George. I am glad that I am on the right track. I have couple more doubts though, if you could clarify please.

If you notice, ACS has a new wording in the assessment letter "The following employment after August 2010 is considered to equate...." should this be a cause for concern?
Also if you note, I have neither changed an occupation nor got promoted in Aug 2010 and the date seems wierd.


I had applied for EOI and have receive an invitation ( I had selected Job after 09/09 as skilled ). Now, since you said that I can consider all experience after Aug 2006 as skilled. Can I add my additional experience during visa lodgement? or should I stick to what I have stated in the EOI.

Re: 263111 & confusion on points for experience and qualification
 

Hi Devanand,

In fact the ACS has just changed its methodology, see https://www.acs.org.au/migration-ski...ws-and-updates . I had to confirm this with them by phone. As of last month they are giving an operative date determined by when an applicant meets their criteria.

In your case that would be August 2010, so that in trying to prove the 3 years overseas work experience you might need to delay your application a little. On the other hand, I think that reading the DIAC policy (inserted in another post just now), you might be able to claim that the ANZSCO requirement of having a degree takes primacy. It's a little unsettling in your case as there seems to be some uncertainty about how this will play out, hopefully DIAC will clarify the situation as soon as possible.

FWIW the ACS hasn't yet notified stakeholders about this change, which may affect a number of applicants. The link above however does confirm it.

Cheers,

George Lombard

Re: 263111 & confusion on points for experience and qualification
 

Thanks again George. Looks like I am in a dicey situation now.

My current invitation will expire on 19th July, hopefully DIAC gives some clarity on this by then.

If I go by what ACS says as skilled employment, would I complete 3 years in July 2013 or is it by end of August. ( The word after August 2010 is confusing, if they wanted to omit August they could have just said "From Sept 2010")

Re: 263111 & confusion on points for experience and qualification
 

Following is my case and I need advice on the same.
I have a Bachelor’s Degree with Commerce as my Stream.
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My query is for my highest Qualification in my EOI I claimed 15 point for my “Bachelors of commerce” whereas it is not closely related to 262113.
And my MCITP Diploma will only give me 10 points.

My Total points are 60 including 15 points for my Bachelor’s Degree.

My Age is 28 ïƒ 30 Points
Bachelor’s Degree. ïƒ 15 Points
NSW State Sponsorship ïƒ 5 Points
Experience ïƒ 10 points

IELTS ïƒ 0 Points as I got 6.5 Bands in Reading and Writing.

Will I be awarded 15 Points for My Bachelor’s degree even if my ACS assesses my MCITP as AQF Diploma with a Major in computing.

If I will be awarded 10 Point what is the way out shall I reappear for IELTS and try to get 7 bands in each ??

Your advice on this query will highly appreciated .

Note : I have got Invitation from NSW and I have applied for Visa too.

This point strike my head and now I am worried as I have already spent $ 3060 .