Sakurai

This is our situation:
Applied February 2002 to CIC Manila (destination Ontario).

Asked to complete new forms and submit language tests results on end of March 2003. The following message written in bold giving us a deadline: "You are required to submit new IRPA application forms as well as any additional supporting documents before July 1,2003. Failure to do so will lead to the refusal of your application without further notice".

On May 2003, got job offer in Quebec (not the province of intended destination) the contrate is of 2 years leading to permanent position.

You advised me earlier when I asked under the thread “very urgent, please help� that we can keep our PR application going and apply for Work Permit separately.

But our problem is that we have to send the new forms along with language tests results and arranged employment before the 1 rst for July. My husband could not find the time to do the test up until now and also the arranged employment paper work takes time to be done.
So in this case:
1) Should we send the incomplete update now (before the 1rst of July) and submit the rest after. Is it even possible?
0r 2) should we withdraw our application and go to Canada with the work permit (tempory visa)and then apply inland?

Please, please Mr. Miller help us decide the right thing to do.
many thaks in advance
Sakurai

Andrew Miller

Now it is rather different situation. You cannot submit arranged employment
documents for job in Quebec (as it will clearly mean change in the
destination Province) if you didn't apply under Quebec rules and don't have
CSQ. But you may apply for work permit there regardless of your PR
application.

If you cannot meet the deadline of July 1st but can get work permit then it
would probably be the best idea to come first with such permit. The only
problem may be if you won't get work permit.

Withdrawing PR application now won't result in refund of fees paid, so maybe
you should send whatever you can by the deadline and include detailed note
explaining the reasons and giving expected time for submission of the rest.
But again - if you can't make 75 points without arranged employment then
submitting approved job offer from Quebec will most likely only make
additional mess. Unless of course you can convince officer that you are not
changing destination Province, that you still are moving to Ontario, but
that you will commute to work in Quebec - it may or may not work.

There is no inland PR application process for Skilled Workers.

--

../..

Andrew Miller
Immigration Consultant
Vancouver, British Columbia
email: [email protected]
(delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
________________________________



"Sakurai" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > This is our situation:
    > Applied February 2002 to CIC Manila (destination Ontario).
    > Asked to complete new forms and submit language tests results on end of
    > March 2003. The following message written in bold giving us a deadline:
    > "You are required to submit new IRPA application forms as well as any
    > additional supporting documents before July 1,2003. Failure to do so
    > will lead to the refusal of your application without further notice".
    > On May 2003, got job offer in Quebec (not the province of intended
    > destination) the contrate is of 2 years leading to permanent position.
    > You advised me earlier when I asked under the thread “very urgent,
    > please helpâ€? that we can keep our PR application going and apply for
    > Work Permit separately.
    > But our problem is that we have to send the new forms along with
    > language tests results and arranged employment before the 1 rst for
    > July. My husband could not find the time to do the test up until now and
    > also the arranged employment paper work takes time to be done.
    > So in this case:
    > 1) Should we send the incomplete update now (before the 1rst of July)
    > and submit the rest after. Is it even possible?
    > r 2) should we withdraw our application and go to Canada with the work
    > permit (tempory visa)and then apply inland?
    > Please, please Mr. Miller help us decide the right thing to do.
    > many thaks in advance
    > Sakurai
    > --
    > Posted via http://britishexpats.com

Sakurai

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Andrew Miller
Now it is rather different situation. You cannot submit arranged employment
documents for job in Quebec (as it will clearly mean change in the
destination Province) if you didn't apply under Quebec rules and don't have
CSQ. But you may apply for work permit there regardless of your PR
application.

If you cannot meet the deadline of July 1st but can get work permit then it
would probably be the best idea to come first with such permit. The only
problem may be if you won't get work permit.

Withdrawing PR application now won't result in refund of fees paid, so maybe
you should send whatever you can by the deadline and include detailed note
explaining the reasons and giving expected time for submission of the rest.
But again - if you can't make 75 points without arranged employment then
submitting approved job offer from Quebec will most likely only make
additional mess. Unless of course you can convince officer that you are not
changing destination Province, that you still are moving to Ontario, but
that you will commute to work in Quebec - it may or may not work.

There is no inland PR application process for Skilled Workers.

--

../..

Andrew Miller
Immigration Consultant
Vancouver, British Columbia
email: [email protected]
(delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
________________________________



Hi Mr. Miller and thank you for your rapid reply.

We are not worried about the refund. The most important thing for us is not to mess up our situation ending up loosing the chance to be Canadian residents later.

So do you think that if we withdraw our PR application and apply for work permit soon after we may still be refused the work permit? and why is that possible?

I don't understand why you said that, there is no inland PR application process for Skilled Workers. So How do poeple who are there on temporary visa such as work permit apply for it when they are already in Canada?

I am really very greatful for your precious help.

Andrew Miller

Work Permit (like any other temporary permit) can only be issued to person
who is not an immigrant and your PR application proves otherwise.

People who are already in Canada on work or study permit apply either
through Buffalo (if they don't need to worry about getting US visa) or
through the Canadian visa post in their home country (or serving their home
country).

--

../..

Andrew Miller
Immigration Consultant
Vancouver, British Columbia
email: [email protected]
(delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
________________________________


"Sakurai" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > Originally posted by Andrew Miller
    > > Now it is rather different situation. You cannot submit arranged
    > > employment
    > > documents for job in Quebec (as it will clearly mean change in the
    > > destination Province) if you didn't apply under Quebec rules and
    > > don't have
    > > CSQ. But you may apply for work permit there regardless of your PR
    > > application.
    > >
    > > If you cannot meet the deadline of July 1st but can get work
    > > permit then it
    > > would probably be the best idea to come first with such permit.
    > > The only
    > > problem may be if you won't get work permit.
    > >
    > > Withdrawing PR application now won't result in refund of fees paid,
    > > so maybe
    > > you should send whatever you can by the deadline and include
    > > detailed note
    > > explaining the reasons and giving expected time for submission of
    > > the rest.
    > > But again - if you can't make 75 points without arranged
    > > employment then
    > > submitting approved job offer from Quebec will most likely only make
    > > additional mess. Unless of course you can convince officer that
    > > you are not
    > > changing destination Province, that you still are moving to
    > > Ontario, but
    > > that you will commute to work in Quebec - it may or may not work.
    > >
    > > There is no inland PR application process for Skilled Workers.
    > >
    > > --
    > >
    > > ../..
    > >
    > > Andrew Miller
    > > Immigration Consultant
    > > Vancouver, British Columbia
    > > email: [email protected]
    > > (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
    > > ________________________________
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > Hi Mr. Miller and thank you for your rapid reply.
    > >
    > > We are not worried about the refund. The most important thing for us
    > > is not to mess up our situation ending up loosing the chance to be
    > > Canadian residents later.
    > >
    > > So do you think that if we withdraw our PR application and apply for
    > > work permit soon after we may still be refused the work permit? and
    > > why is that possible?
    > >
    > > I don't understand why you said that, there is no inland PR
    > > application process for Skilled Workers. So How do poeple who are
    > > there on temporary visa such as work permit apply for it when they are
    > > already in Canada?
    > >
    > > I am really very greatful for your precious help.
    > --
    > Posted via http://britishexpats.com

Sakurai

1) Does it mean we would have been better off if we did not apply for a PR at all?

2) Does that also mean that even if we withdraw our PR application before the 1 rst of july (deadlime for submition of the news forms) we will be considered immigrant?

3) Is there any chance that the work permit may be granted?

Thank you very much for taking the time. Thank you for being here Mr. miller

Andrew Miller

When you have/had PR application pending then it is always more difficult to
convince immigration officer that you'll leave Canada upon expiration of
your temporary permit, thus it is much more difficult to get one. Whatever
you do now with your PR application won't really affect the outcome of work
permit application, although refusal of PR visa will have extremely negative
impact on any non-immigrant visa/permit application.

As I wrote earlier - it is really worth it to try to salvage currently
pending PR case. It may be too late, but you won't know without trying. Fact
that you did nothing since the request is troubling and lack of time is not
an excuse here if you are serious about immigrating to Canada.

--

../..

Andrew Miller
Immigration Consultant
Vancouver, British Columbia
email: [email protected]
(delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
________________________________


"Sakurai" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > 1) Does it mean we would have been better off if we did not apply for a
    > PR at all?
    > 2) Does that also mean that even if we withdraw our PR application
    > before the 1 rst of july (deadlime for submition of the news forms)
    > we will be considered immigrant?
    > 3) Is there any chance that the work permit may be granted?
    > Thank you very much for taking the time. Thank you for being here
    > Mr. miller
    > Originally posted by Andrew Miller
    > > Work Permit (like any other temporary permit) can only be issued
    > > to person
    > > who is not an immigrant and your PR application proves otherwise.
    > >
    > > People who are already in Canada on work or study permit apply either
    > > through Buffalo (if they don't need to worry about getting US visa) or
    > > through the Canadian visa post in their home country (or serving
    > > their home
    > > country).
    > >
    > > --
    > >
    > > ../..
    > >
    > > Andrew Miller
    > > Immigration Consultant
    > > Vancouver, British Columbia
    > > email: [email protected]
    > > (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
    > > ________________________________
    > >
    > >
    > > "Sakurai" wrote in message
    > > news:[email protected]"]news:837624.105600803-
    > > [email protected][/url]...
    > > > Originally posted by Andrew Miller
    > > > > Now it is rather different situation. You cannot submit
    > > arranged
    > > > > employment
    > > > > documents for job in Quebec (as it will clearly mean change in
    > > the
    > > > > destination Province) if you didn't apply under Quebec rules
    > > and
    > > > > don't have
    > > > > CSQ. But you may apply for work permit there regardless of
    > > your PR
    > > > > application.
    > > > >
    > > > > If you cannot meet the deadline of July 1st but can get
    > > work
    > > > > permit then it
    > > > > would probably be the best idea to come first with such
    > > permit.
    > > > > The only
    > > > > problem may be if you won't get work permit.
    > > > >
    > > > > Withdrawing PR application now won't result in refund of fees
    > > paid,
    > > > > so maybe
    > > > > you should send whatever you can by the deadline and
    > > include
    > > > > detailed note
    > > > > explaining the reasons and giving expected time for submission
    > > of
    > > > > the rest.
    > > > > But again - if you can't make 75 points without arranged
    > > > > employment then
    > > > > submitting approved job offer from Quebec will most likely
    > > only make
    > > > > additional mess. Unless of course you can convince officer
    > > that
    > > > > you are not
    > > > > changing destination Province, that you still are moving
    > > to
    > > > > Ontario, but
    > > > > that you will commute to work in Quebec - it may or may not
    > > work.
    > > > >
    > > > > There is no inland PR application process for Skilled
    > > Workers.
    > > > >
    > > > > --
    > > > >
    > > > > ../..
    > > > >
    > > > > Andrew Miller
    > > > > Immigration Consultant
    > > > > Vancouver, British Columbia
    > > > > email: [email protected]
    > > > > (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending
    > > email)
    > > > > ________________________________
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > > Hi Mr. Miller and thank you for your rapid reply.
    > > > >
    > > > > We are not worried about the refund. The most important thing
    > > for us
    > > > > is not to mess up our situation ending up loosing the chance
    > > to be
    > > > > Canadian residents later.
    > > > >
    > > > > So do you think that if we withdraw our PR application and
    > > apply for
    > > > > work permit soon after we may still be refused the work
    > > permit? and
    > > > > why is that possible?
    > > > >
    > > > > I don't understand why you said that, there is no inland
    > > PR
    > > > > application process for Skilled Workers. So How do poeple who
    > > are
    > > > > there on temporary visa such as work permit apply for it when
    > > they are
    > > > > already in Canada?
    > > > >
    > > > > I am really very greatful for your precious help.
    > > > --
    > > Posted via http://britishexpats.com/"]http://britishexpats.-
    > com[/url]
    > --
    > Posted via http://britishexpats.com

Sakurai

Thank you Mr. Miller.
You see when we received the request to the submit the new forms That was at the end of March 2003, just few days before my husband started his new job in another part of Japan. On April, he attended the job interview in Quebec, and later on May, he was contacted by the employer offering him the post.
In fact the delay in sending the updated forms and documents is not due to the lack of seriousness but to our bad estimations. You see to reach the passing 75 points we had to submit either the language tests results (my husband know both English and French) or, the arranged employment. So we were hoping that we can have the arranged employment documents in time to send them with the new forms, since the languages tests are much more time consuming to my husband (university researcher with may students to supervise).

We want really to avoid the refusal of a PR (abviously it will be refused if the languages tests results or the arranged employment are not in ou file when our application will be processed). So do you think that if we withdraw our application now (before July 1) the application still will be processed and refused?

We can never thank you enough for all your help

Respectfully

Sakurai

Andrew Miller

If you withdraw your application prior to the deadline then process will of
course stop and there will be no refusal. But again - why not fight for it?
Submit what you have with the note asking for another month or two to
complete language tests. If you don't ask you won't get...

--

../..

Andrew Miller
Immigration Consultant
Vancouver, British Columbia
email: [email protected]
(delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
________________________________


"Sakurai" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > Thank you Mr. Miller.
    > You see when we received the request to the submit the new forms That
    > was at the end of March 2003, just few days before my husband started
    > his new job in another part of Japan. On April, he attended the job
    > interview in Quebec, and later on May, he was contacted by the employer
    > offering him the post.
    > In fact the delay in sending the updated forms and documents is not due
    > to the lack of seriousness but to our bad estimations. You see to reach
    > the passing 75 points we had to submit either the language tests results
    > (my husband know both English and French) or, the arranged employment.
    > So we were hoping that we can have the arranged employment documents in
    > time to send them with the new forms, since the languages tests are much
    > more time consuming to my husband (university researcher with may
    > students to supervise).
    > We want really to avoid the refusal of a PR (abviously it will be
    > refused if the languages tests results or the arranged employment are
    > not in ou file when our application will be processed). So do you think
    > that if we withdraw our application now (before July 1) the application
    > still will be processed and refused?
    > We can never thank you enough for all your help
    > Respectfully
    > Sakurai
    > --
    > Posted via http://britishexpats.com

Sakurai

Thank you Mr. Miller.

We have decided to withdraw our PR application to avoid the headache of the complicated process, which is:
1) Our destination now has been changed from Ontario to Quebec (where the work is).

2) The need to obtain the CSQ from Quebec.

3) The necessity to start the job as soon as possible (and apparently the RP can take really long time).

So my questions:

1) How should we notify the CIC Manila? We intend to notify them by fax or should we also send a written request and explanation for the reasons of the withdrawal?

2) Telling the truth I don't know how to request a withdrawal of the application without jeopardizing our chances to get RP when we apply again later? Any suggestions from you will be greatly welcome.

Thank you so much for your help
best regards
Sakurai

Andrew Miller

This is not what I would do, but you know more about your case than you let
us know, so I assume you know what you are about to do and why your are
doing it. Please contact me directly.

--

../..

Andrew Miller
Immigration Consultant
Vancouver, British Columbia
email: [email protected]
(delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
________________________________


"Sakurai" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > Thank you Mr. Miller.
    > We have decided to withdraw our PR application to avoid the headache of
    > the complicated process, which is:
    > 1) Our destination now has been changed from Ontario to Quebec (where
    > the work is).
    > 2) The need to obtain the CSQ from Quebec.
    > 3) The necessity to start the job as soon as possible (and apparently
    > the RP can take really long time).
    > So my questions:
    > 1) How should we notify the CIC Manila? We intend to notify them by fax
    > or should we also send a written request and explanation for the
    > reasons of the withdrawal?
    > 2) Telling the truth I don't know how to request a withdrawal of the
    > application without jeopardizing our chances to get RP when we apply
    > again later? Any suggestions from you will be greatly welcome.
    > Thank you so much for your help
    > best regards
    > Sakurai
    > Originally posted by Andrew Miller
    > > If you withdraw your application prior to the deadline then
    > > process will of
    > > course stop and there will be no refusal. But again - why not
    > > fight for it?
    > > Submit what you have with the note asking for another month or two to
    > > complete language tests. If you don't ask you won't get...
    > >
    > > --
    > >
    > > ../..
    > >
    > > Andrew Miller
    > > Immigration Consultant
    > > Vancouver, British Columbia
    > > email: [email protected]
    > > (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
    > > ________________________________
    > >
    > >
    > > "Sakurai" wrote in message
    > > news:[email protected]"]news:838438.105604831-
    > > [email protected][/url]...
    > > > Thank you Mr. Miller.
    > > > You see when we received the request to the submit the new forms
    > > That
    > > > was at the end of March 2003, just few days before my husband
    > > started
    > > > his new job in another part of Japan. On April, he attended the
    > > job
    > > > interview in Quebec, and later on May, he was contacted by the
    > > employer
    > > > offering him the post.
    > > > In fact the delay in sending the updated forms and documents is
    > > not due
    > > > to the lack of seriousness but to our bad estimations. You see
    > > to reach
    > > > the passing 75 points we had to submit either the language tests
    > > results
    > > > (my husband know both English and French) or, the arranged
    > > employment.
    > > > So we were hoping that we can have the arranged employment
    > > documents in
    > > > time to send them with the new forms, since the languages tests
    > > are much
    > > > more time consuming to my husband (university researcher with
    > > may
    > > > students to supervise).
    > > > We want really to avoid the refusal of a PR (abviously it will
    > > be
    > > > refused if the languages tests results or the arranged
    > > employment are
    > > > not in ou file when our application will be processed). So do
    > > you think
    > > > that if we withdraw our application now (before July 1) the
    > > application
    > > > still will be processed and refused?
    > > > We can never thank you enough for all your help
    > > > Respectfully
    > > > Sakurai
    > > > --
    > > Posted via http://britishexpats.com/"]http://britishexpats.-
    > com[/url]
    > --
    > Posted via http://britishexpats.com

Sakurai

Thank you Mr. Miller,

I did tell you everything, but may be I messed things up ending up with not a so very clear message and I apologize for that.

From your answers I understood that:

1) We can keep our RP application going, and apply for a work permit. If we are not refused the work permit we can then enter Canada with the temporary visa.

2) The documents which should be added to the RP application are the language tests results, not the arranged employment documents (since this one is in Quebec and not in Ontario).

Now because the employer wants my husband to start the job as soon as possible. My hubby find himself submerged by so much work he has to finish before we live Japan and hence can not find the time to do the language tests (I have discussed the matter with him). Therefore we are worried to promise the CIC Manila that we will send the languages tests after one or two months and then we would not be able to keep the promise. It is why we thought it is better to withdraw the RP application before it is too late.


I would like to contact you by phone if you don't mind telling me where I can do that, because I think a direct conversation would be clearer. You see I am still learning to improve my English and therefore my message may not be as clear as I think it is.

Thank you so much for your help.
Best regards
Sakurai

Andrew Miller

Just email me directly first.

--

../..

Andrew Miller
Immigration Consultant
Vancouver, British Columbia
email: [email protected]
(delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
________________________________


"Sakurai" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > Thank you Mr. Miller,
    > I did tell you everything, but may be I messed things up ending up with
    > not a so very clear message and I apologize for that.
    > From your answers I understood that:
    > 1) We can keep our RP application going, and apply for a work permit. If
    > we are not refused the work permit we can then enter Canada with the
    > temporary visa.
    > 2) The documents which should be added to the RP application are the
    > language tests results, not the arranged employment documents (since
    > this one is in Quebec and not in Ontario).
    > Now because the employer wants my husband to start the job as soon as
    > possible. My hubby find himself submerged by so much work he has to
    > finish before we live Japan and hence can not find the time to do the
    > language tests (I have discussed the matter with him). Therefore we are
    > worried to promise the CIC Manila that we will send the languages tests
    > after one or two months and then we would not be able to keep the
    > promise. It is why we thought it is better to withdraw the RP
    > application before it is too late.
    > I would like to contact you by phone if you don't mind telling me where
    > I can do that, because I think a direct conversation would be clearer.
    > You see I am still learning to improve my English and therefore my
    > message may not be as clear as I think it is.
    > Thank you so much for your help.
    > Best regards
    > Sakurai
    > Originally posted by Andrew Miller
    > > This is not what I would do, but you know more about your case
    > > than you let
    > > us know, so I assume you know what you are about to do and why
    > > your are
    > > doing it. Please contact me directly.
    > >
    > > --
    > >
    > > ../..
    > >
    > > Andrew Miller
    > > Immigration Consultant
    > > Vancouver, British Columbia
    > > email: [email protected]
    > > (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
    > > ________________________________
    > >
    > >
    > > "Sakurai" wrote in message
    > > news:[email protected]"]news:840185.105613612-
    > > [email protected][/url]...
    > > > Thank you Mr. Miller.
    > > > We have decided to withdraw our PR application to avoid the
    > > headache of
    > > > the complicated process, which is:
    > > > 1) Our destination now has been changed from Ontario to Quebec
    > > (where
    > > > the work is).
    > > > 2) The need to obtain the CSQ from Quebec.
    > > > 3) The necessity to start the job as soon as possible (and
    > > apparently
    > > > the RP can take really long time).
    > > > So my questions:
    > > > 1) How should we notify the CIC Manila? We intend to notify them
    > > by fax
    > > > or should we also send a written request and explanation for
    > > the
    > > > reasons of the withdrawal?
    > > > 2) Telling the truth I don't know how to request a withdrawal of
    > > the
    > > > application without jeopardizing our chances to get RP when
    > > we apply
    > > > again later? Any suggestions from you will be greatly
    > > welcome.
    > > > Thank you so much for your help
    > > > best regards
    > > > Sakurai
    > > > Originally posted by Andrew Miller
    > > > > If you withdraw your application prior to the deadline
    > > then
    > > > > process will of
    > > > > course stop and there will be no refusal. But again - why
    > > not
    > > > > fight for it?
    > > > > Submit what you have with the note asking for another month or
    > > two to
    > > > > complete language tests. If you don't ask you won't
    > > get...
    > > > >
    > > > > --
    > > > >
    > > > > ../..
    > > > >
    > > > > Andrew Miller
    > > > > Immigration Consultant
    > > > > Vancouver, British Columbia
    > > > > email: [email protected]
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    > > > > "Sakurai" wrote in message
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    > > > > > Thank you Mr. Miller.
    > > > > > You see when we received the request to the submit the new
    > > forms
    > > > > That
    > > > > > was at the end of March 2003, just few days before my
    > > husband
    > > > > started
    > > > > > his new job in another part of Japan. On April, he attended
    > > the
    > > > > job
    > > > > > interview in Quebec, and later on May, he was contacted by
    > > the
    > > > > employer
    > > > > > offering him the post.
    > > > > > In fact the delay in sending the updated forms and documents
    > > is
    > > > > not due
    > > > > > to the lack of seriousness but to our bad estimations. You
    > > see
    > > > > to reach
    > > > > > the passing 75 points we had to submit either the language
    > > tests
    > > > > results
    > > > > > (my husband know both English and French) or, the
    > > arranged
    > > > > employment.
    > > > > > So we were hoping that we can have the arranged
    > > employment
    > > > > documents in
    > > > > > time to send them with the new forms, since the languages
    > > tests
    > > > > are much
    > > > > > more time consuming to my husband (university researcher
    > > with
    > > > > may
    > > > > > students to supervise).
    > > > > > We want really to avoid the refusal of a PR (abviously it
    > > will
    > > > > be
    > > > > > refused if the languages tests results or the arranged
    > > > > employment are
    > > > > > not in ou file when our application will be processed). So
    > > do
    > > > > you think
    > > > > > that if we withdraw our application now (before July 1)
    > > the
    > > > > application
    > > > > > still will be processed and refused?
    > > > > > We can never thank you enough for all your help
    > > > > > Respectfully
    > > > > > Sakurai
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