Trade Certificate
Dec 6th 2002, 3:39 am
#1
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Trade Certificate
Can anyone tell me what a Trade Certificate is?
Is it only for specific trades such as manual trades, i.e. a mechanic?
Are commercial certifications accepted? (Such as Microsoft Certification)
Are certifications only accepted if they are accredited by a government
recognised training organisation or governing body?
Is it only for specific trades such as manual trades, i.e. a mechanic?
Are commercial certifications accepted? (Such as Microsoft Certification)
Are certifications only accepted if they are accredited by a government
recognised training organisation or governing body?
Dec 6th 2002, 3:50 am
#2
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Re: Trade Certificate
This is how Regulations define educational credentials:
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
"educational credential" means any diploma, degree or trade or
apprenticeship credential issued on the completion of a program of study or
training at an educational or training institution recognized by the
authorities responsible for registering, accrediting, supervising and
regulating such institutions in the country of issue.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Microsoft, Cisco, Novell or other such certifications are not educational
credentials, sorry.
--
../..
Andrew Miller
Immigration Consultant
Vancouver, British Columbia
email: [email protected]
(delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
For confidential phone consultation go here:
http://members.yahoo.liveadvice.com/andrewmiller_canada
________________________________
"Jez Harper" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Can anyone tell me what a Trade Certificate is?
> Is it only for specific trades such as manual trades, i.e. a mechanic?
> Are commercial certifications accepted? (Such as Microsoft Certification)
> Are certifications only accepted if they are accredited by a government
> recognised training organisation or governing body?
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
"educational credential" means any diploma, degree or trade or
apprenticeship credential issued on the completion of a program of study or
training at an educational or training institution recognized by the
authorities responsible for registering, accrediting, supervising and
regulating such institutions in the country of issue.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Microsoft, Cisco, Novell or other such certifications are not educational
credentials, sorry.
--
../..
Andrew Miller
Immigration Consultant
Vancouver, British Columbia
email: [email protected]
(delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
For confidential phone consultation go here:
http://members.yahoo.liveadvice.com/andrewmiller_canada
________________________________
"Jez Harper" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Can anyone tell me what a Trade Certificate is?
> Is it only for specific trades such as manual trades, i.e. a mechanic?
> Are commercial certifications accepted? (Such as Microsoft Certification)
> Are certifications only accepted if they are accredited by a government
> recognised training organisation or governing body?
Dec 6th 2002, 3:58 am
#3
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Re: Trade Certificate
Thank you Andrew,
Do you know of anyone who has managed to get PR without having more than
highschool credentials? I suppose it is too early to tell on the new rules?
Cheers
Jez
"Andrew Miller" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> This is how Regulations define educational credentials:
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> "educational credential" means any diploma, degree or trade or
> apprenticeship credential issued on the completion of a program of study
or
> training at an educational or training institution recognized by the
> authorities responsible for registering, accrediting, supervising and
> regulating such institutions in the country of issue.
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> Microsoft, Cisco, Novell or other such certifications are not educational
> credentials, sorry.
> --
> ../..
> Andrew Miller
> Immigration Consultant
> Vancouver, British Columbia
> email: [email protected]
> (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
> For confidential phone consultation go here:
> http://members.yahoo.liveadvice.com/andrewmiller_canada
> ________________________________
> "Jez Harper" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Can anyone tell me what a Trade Certificate is?
> > Is it only for specific trades such as manual trades, i.e. a mechanic?
> > Are commercial certifications accepted? (Such as Microsoft
Certification)
> > Are certifications only accepted if they are accredited by a government
> > recognised training organisation or governing body?
> >
> >
> >
Do you know of anyone who has managed to get PR without having more than
highschool credentials? I suppose it is too early to tell on the new rules?
Cheers
Jez
"Andrew Miller" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> This is how Regulations define educational credentials:
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> "educational credential" means any diploma, degree or trade or
> apprenticeship credential issued on the completion of a program of study
or
> training at an educational or training institution recognized by the
> authorities responsible for registering, accrediting, supervising and
> regulating such institutions in the country of issue.
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> Microsoft, Cisco, Novell or other such certifications are not educational
> credentials, sorry.
> --
> ../..
> Andrew Miller
> Immigration Consultant
> Vancouver, British Columbia
> email: [email protected]
> (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
> For confidential phone consultation go here:
> http://members.yahoo.liveadvice.com/andrewmiller_canada
> ________________________________
> "Jez Harper" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Can anyone tell me what a Trade Certificate is?
> > Is it only for specific trades such as manual trades, i.e. a mechanic?
> > Are commercial certifications accepted? (Such as Microsoft
Certification)
> > Are certifications only accepted if they are accredited by a government
> > recognised training organisation or governing body?
> >
> >
> >
Dec 6th 2002, 4:22 am
#4
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Posts: n/a
Re: Trade Certificate
Education is only one (although important) factor in the selection criteria.
It is rather extremely difficult (but not impossible) to reach 75 points
pass mark without post secondary education. You should seek professional
assessment of your chances and options (if any).
--
../..
Andrew Miller
Immigration Consultant
Vancouver, British Columbia
email: [email protected]
(delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
For confidential phone consultation go here:
http://members.yahoo.liveadvice.com/andrewmiller_canada
________________________________
"Jez Harper" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Thank you Andrew,
> Do you know of anyone who has managed to get PR without having more than
> highschool credentials? I suppose it is too early to tell on the new
rules?
> Cheers
> Jez
> "Andrew Miller" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > This is how Regulations define educational credentials:
> >
> > -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > "educational credential" means any diploma, degree or trade or
> > apprenticeship credential issued on the completion of a program of study
> or
> > training at an educational or training institution recognized by the
> > authorities responsible for registering, accrediting, supervising and
> > regulating such institutions in the country of issue.
> > -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Microsoft, Cisco, Novell or other such certifications are not
educational
> > credentials, sorry.
> >
> > --
> >
> > ../..
> >
> > Andrew Miller
> > Immigration Consultant
> > Vancouver, British Columbia
> > email: [email protected]
> > (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
> >
> > For confidential phone consultation go here:
> >
> > http://members.yahoo.liveadvice.com/andrewmiller_canada
> > ________________________________
> >
> >
> > "Jez Harper" wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > Can anyone tell me what a Trade Certificate is?
> > > Is it only for specific trades such as manual trades, i.e. a mechanic?
> > > Are commercial certifications accepted? (Such as Microsoft
> Certification)
> > > Are certifications only accepted if they are accredited by a
government
> > > recognised training organisation or governing body?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
It is rather extremely difficult (but not impossible) to reach 75 points
pass mark without post secondary education. You should seek professional
assessment of your chances and options (if any).
--
../..
Andrew Miller
Immigration Consultant
Vancouver, British Columbia
email: [email protected]
(delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
For confidential phone consultation go here:
http://members.yahoo.liveadvice.com/andrewmiller_canada
________________________________
"Jez Harper" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Thank you Andrew,
> Do you know of anyone who has managed to get PR without having more than
> highschool credentials? I suppose it is too early to tell on the new
rules?
> Cheers
> Jez
> "Andrew Miller" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > This is how Regulations define educational credentials:
> >
> > -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > "educational credential" means any diploma, degree or trade or
> > apprenticeship credential issued on the completion of a program of study
> or
> > training at an educational or training institution recognized by the
> > authorities responsible for registering, accrediting, supervising and
> > regulating such institutions in the country of issue.
> > -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Microsoft, Cisco, Novell or other such certifications are not
educational
> > credentials, sorry.
> >
> > --
> >
> > ../..
> >
> > Andrew Miller
> > Immigration Consultant
> > Vancouver, British Columbia
> > email: [email protected]
> > (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
> >
> > For confidential phone consultation go here:
> >
> > http://members.yahoo.liveadvice.com/andrewmiller_canada
> > ________________________________
> >
> >
> > "Jez Harper" wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > Can anyone tell me what a Trade Certificate is?
> > > Is it only for specific trades such as manual trades, i.e. a mechanic?
> > > Are commercial certifications accepted? (Such as Microsoft
> Certification)
> > > Are certifications only accepted if they are accredited by a
government
> > > recognised training organisation or governing body?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
Dec 6th 2002, 4:34 am
#5
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Re: Trade Certificate
Thanks again Andrew,
without post secondary education, the only way (according to the cic self
assesment tool) to reach 75 points is by having a job offer. Without 75
points, is it usually automatic rejection?
How much do you charge for assesments?
Cheers
Jez
"Andrew Miller" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Education is only one (although important) factor in the selection
criteria.
> It is rather extremely difficult (but not impossible) to reach 75 points
> pass mark without post secondary education. You should seek professional
> assessment of your chances and options (if any).
> --
> ../..
> Andrew Miller
> Immigration Consultant
> Vancouver, British Columbia
> email: [email protected]
> (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
> For confidential phone consultation go here:
> http://members.yahoo.liveadvice.com/andrewmiller_canada
> ________________________________
> "Jez Harper" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Thank you Andrew,
> >
> > Do you know of anyone who has managed to get PR without having more than
> > highschool credentials? I suppose it is too early to tell on the new
> rules?
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Jez
> >
> >
> > "Andrew Miller" wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > This is how Regulations define educational credentials:
> > >
> >
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > "educational credential" means any diploma, degree or trade or
> > > apprenticeship credential issued on the completion of a program of
study
> > or
> > > training at an educational or training institution recognized by the
> > > authorities responsible for registering, accrediting, supervising and
> > > regulating such institutions in the country of issue.
> >
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Microsoft, Cisco, Novell or other such certifications are not
> educational
> > > credentials, sorry.
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > ../..
> > >
> > > Andrew Miller
> > > Immigration Consultant
> > > Vancouver, British Columbia
> > > email: [email protected]
> > > (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
> > >
> > > For confidential phone consultation go here:
> > >
> > > http://members.yahoo.liveadvice.com/andrewmiller_canada
> > > ________________________________
> > >
> > >
> > > "Jez Harper" wrote in message
> > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > Can anyone tell me what a Trade Certificate is?
> > > > Is it only for specific trades such as manual trades, i.e. a
mechanic?
> > > > Are commercial certifications accepted? (Such as Microsoft
> > Certification)
> > > > Are certifications only accepted if they are accredited by a
> government
> > > > recognised training organisation or governing body?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
without post secondary education, the only way (according to the cic self
assesment tool) to reach 75 points is by having a job offer. Without 75
points, is it usually automatic rejection?
How much do you charge for assesments?
Cheers
Jez
"Andrew Miller" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Education is only one (although important) factor in the selection
criteria.
> It is rather extremely difficult (but not impossible) to reach 75 points
> pass mark without post secondary education. You should seek professional
> assessment of your chances and options (if any).
> --
> ../..
> Andrew Miller
> Immigration Consultant
> Vancouver, British Columbia
> email: [email protected]
> (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
> For confidential phone consultation go here:
> http://members.yahoo.liveadvice.com/andrewmiller_canada
> ________________________________
> "Jez Harper" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Thank you Andrew,
> >
> > Do you know of anyone who has managed to get PR without having more than
> > highschool credentials? I suppose it is too early to tell on the new
> rules?
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Jez
> >
> >
> > "Andrew Miller" wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > This is how Regulations define educational credentials:
> > >
> >
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > "educational credential" means any diploma, degree or trade or
> > > apprenticeship credential issued on the completion of a program of
study
> > or
> > > training at an educational or training institution recognized by the
> > > authorities responsible for registering, accrediting, supervising and
> > > regulating such institutions in the country of issue.
> >
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Microsoft, Cisco, Novell or other such certifications are not
> educational
> > > credentials, sorry.
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > ../..
> > >
> > > Andrew Miller
> > > Immigration Consultant
> > > Vancouver, British Columbia
> > > email: [email protected]
> > > (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
> > >
> > > For confidential phone consultation go here:
> > >
> > > http://members.yahoo.liveadvice.com/andrewmiller_canada
> > > ________________________________
> > >
> > >
> > > "Jez Harper" wrote in message
> > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > Can anyone tell me what a Trade Certificate is?
> > > > Is it only for specific trades such as manual trades, i.e. a
mechanic?
> > > > Are commercial certifications accepted? (Such as Microsoft
> > Certification)
> > > > Are certifications only accepted if they are accredited by a
> government
> > > > recognised training organisation or governing body?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
Dec 6th 2002, 4:47 am
#6
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Trade Certificate
Like I said earlier - HRDC opinion for arranged employment may be impossible
to obtain without post secondary education, although you may try. Without
positive opinion from HRDC you will not get points for arranged employment,
and even if by some chance you get positive opinion then there is no
guarantee that processing officer will accept the job offer in current job
market in IT industry situation. This is why I said also that you should try
to get work permit first - but for the same reasons it will be also almost
impossible to get.
With 60 points, no education - you have no chance for approval unless there
are some other very solid factors showing your ability to establish yourself
in Canada - based on all your posts today I cannot see any of such in your
case, but I may be wrong as you didn't tell us all.
I don't charge anything for initial assessment - it always was and still is
free.
--
../..
Andrew Miller
Immigration Consultant
Vancouver, British Columbia
email: [email protected]
(delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
For confidential phone consultation go here:
http://members.yahoo.liveadvice.com/andrewmiller_canada
________________________________
"Jez Harper" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Thanks again Andrew,
> without post secondary education, the only way (according to the cic self
> assesment tool) to reach 75 points is by having a job offer. Without 75
> points, is it usually automatic rejection?
> How much do you charge for assesments?
> Cheers
> Jez
> "Andrew Miller" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Education is only one (although important) factor in the selection
> criteria.
> > It is rather extremely difficult (but not impossible) to reach 75 points
> > pass mark without post secondary education. You should seek professional
> > assessment of your chances and options (if any).
> >
> > --
> >
> > ../..
> >
> > Andrew Miller
> > Immigration Consultant
> > Vancouver, British Columbia
> > email: [email protected]
> > (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
> >
> > For confidential phone consultation go here:
> >
> > http://members.yahoo.liveadvice.com/andrewmiller_canada
> > ________________________________
> >
> >
> > "Jez Harper" wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > Thank you Andrew,
> > >
> > > Do you know of anyone who has managed to get PR without having more
than
> > > highschool credentials? I suppose it is too early to tell on the new
> > rules?
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > >
> > > Jez
> > >
> > >
> > > "Andrew Miller" wrote in message
> > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > This is how Regulations define educational credentials:
> > > >
> > >
> > -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > "educational credential" means any diploma, degree or trade or
> > > > apprenticeship credential issued on the completion of a program of
> study
> > > or
> > > > training at an educational or training institution recognized by the
> > > > authorities responsible for registering, accrediting, supervising
and
> > > > regulating such institutions in the country of issue.
> > >
> > -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > >
> > > > Microsoft, Cisco, Novell or other such certifications are not
> > educational
> > > > credentials, sorry.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > > ../..
> > > >
> > > > Andrew Miller
> > > > Immigration Consultant
> > > > Vancouver, British Columbia
> > > > email: [email protected]
> > > > (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
> > > >
> > > > For confidential phone consultation go here:
> > > >
> > > > http://members.yahoo.liveadvice.com/andrewmiller_canada
> > > > ________________________________
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Jez Harper" wrote in message
> > > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > > Can anyone tell me what a Trade Certificate is?
> > > > > Is it only for specific trades such as manual trades, i.e. a
> mechanic?
> > > > > Are commercial certifications accepted? (Such as Microsoft
> > > Certification)
> > > > > Are certifications only accepted if they are accredited by a
> > government
> > > > > recognised training organisation or governing body?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
to obtain without post secondary education, although you may try. Without
positive opinion from HRDC you will not get points for arranged employment,
and even if by some chance you get positive opinion then there is no
guarantee that processing officer will accept the job offer in current job
market in IT industry situation. This is why I said also that you should try
to get work permit first - but for the same reasons it will be also almost
impossible to get.
With 60 points, no education - you have no chance for approval unless there
are some other very solid factors showing your ability to establish yourself
in Canada - based on all your posts today I cannot see any of such in your
case, but I may be wrong as you didn't tell us all.
I don't charge anything for initial assessment - it always was and still is
free.
--
../..
Andrew Miller
Immigration Consultant
Vancouver, British Columbia
email: [email protected]
(delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
For confidential phone consultation go here:
http://members.yahoo.liveadvice.com/andrewmiller_canada
________________________________
"Jez Harper" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Thanks again Andrew,
> without post secondary education, the only way (according to the cic self
> assesment tool) to reach 75 points is by having a job offer. Without 75
> points, is it usually automatic rejection?
> How much do you charge for assesments?
> Cheers
> Jez
> "Andrew Miller" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Education is only one (although important) factor in the selection
> criteria.
> > It is rather extremely difficult (but not impossible) to reach 75 points
> > pass mark without post secondary education. You should seek professional
> > assessment of your chances and options (if any).
> >
> > --
> >
> > ../..
> >
> > Andrew Miller
> > Immigration Consultant
> > Vancouver, British Columbia
> > email: [email protected]
> > (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
> >
> > For confidential phone consultation go here:
> >
> > http://members.yahoo.liveadvice.com/andrewmiller_canada
> > ________________________________
> >
> >
> > "Jez Harper" wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > Thank you Andrew,
> > >
> > > Do you know of anyone who has managed to get PR without having more
than
> > > highschool credentials? I suppose it is too early to tell on the new
> > rules?
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > >
> > > Jez
> > >
> > >
> > > "Andrew Miller" wrote in message
> > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > This is how Regulations define educational credentials:
> > > >
> > >
> > -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > "educational credential" means any diploma, degree or trade or
> > > > apprenticeship credential issued on the completion of a program of
> study
> > > or
> > > > training at an educational or training institution recognized by the
> > > > authorities responsible for registering, accrediting, supervising
and
> > > > regulating such institutions in the country of issue.
> > >
> > -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > >
> > > > Microsoft, Cisco, Novell or other such certifications are not
> > educational
> > > > credentials, sorry.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > > ../..
> > > >
> > > > Andrew Miller
> > > > Immigration Consultant
> > > > Vancouver, British Columbia
> > > > email: [email protected]
> > > > (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
> > > >
> > > > For confidential phone consultation go here:
> > > >
> > > > http://members.yahoo.liveadvice.com/andrewmiller_canada
> > > > ________________________________
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Jez Harper" wrote in message
> > > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > > Can anyone tell me what a Trade Certificate is?
> > > > > Is it only for specific trades such as manual trades, i.e. a
> mechanic?
> > > > > Are commercial certifications accepted? (Such as Microsoft
> > > Certification)
> > > > > Are certifications only accepted if they are accredited by a
> > government
> > > > > recognised training organisation or governing body?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
Dec 6th 2002, 5:27 am
#7
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Trade Certificate
What factors would show my ability to establish myself in Canada? I run my
own limited Company here in the UK and earn over £100000 (CDN$245000)
As for 'no education', I am educated, but the qualifications I have are
specifically relevant to the work I do and are not classroom based
qualifications (Well, one of them is, but it is just an OND and they don't
count either).
I am amazed that 9 years experience and recognised certifications (by
employers at least) count for nothing!
Looks like I am going to have to to a diploma then. I may be able to get
some credits under the 'Accreditation of Prior Learning' scheme here in the
UK so it might not take too long.
Myself and my family REALLY want to go to Canada, so it will be worth the
effort and time.
Thankyou very much for your advice Andrew.
Cheers
Jez
"Andrew Miller" wrote in message
news:%[email protected]...
> Like I said earlier - HRDC opinion for arranged employment may be
impossible
> to obtain without post secondary education, although you may try. Without
> positive opinion from HRDC you will not get points for arranged
employment,
> and even if by some chance you get positive opinion then there is no
> guarantee that processing officer will accept the job offer in current job
> market in IT industry situation. This is why I said also that you should
try
> to get work permit first - but for the same reasons it will be also almost
> impossible to get.
> With 60 points, no education - you have no chance for approval unless
there
> are some other very solid factors showing your ability to establish
yourself
> in Canada - based on all your posts today I cannot see any of such in your
> case, but I may be wrong as you didn't tell us all.
> I don't charge anything for initial assessment - it always was and still
is
> free.
> --
> ../..
> Andrew Miller
> Immigration Consultant
> Vancouver, British Columbia
> email: [email protected]
> (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
> For confidential phone consultation go here:
> http://members.yahoo.liveadvice.com/andrewmiller_canada
> ________________________________
> "Jez Harper" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Thanks again Andrew,
> >
> > without post secondary education, the only way (according to the cic
self
> > assesment tool) to reach 75 points is by having a job offer. Without 75
> > points, is it usually automatic rejection?
> >
> > How much do you charge for assesments?
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Jez
> >
> >
> > "Andrew Miller" wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > Education is only one (although important) factor in the selection
> > criteria.
> > > It is rather extremely difficult (but not impossible) to reach 75
points
> > > pass mark without post secondary education. You should seek
professional
> > > assessment of your chances and options (if any).
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > ../..
> > >
> > > Andrew Miller
> > > Immigration Consultant
> > > Vancouver, British Columbia
> > > email: [email protected]
> > > (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
> > >
> > > For confidential phone consultation go here:
> > >
> > > http://members.yahoo.liveadvice.com/andrewmiller_canada
> > > ________________________________
> > >
> > >
> > > "Jez Harper" wrote in message
> > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > Thank you Andrew,
> > > >
> > > > Do you know of anyone who has managed to get PR without having more
> than
> > > > highschool credentials? I suppose it is too early to tell on the new
> > > rules?
> > > >
> > > > Cheers
> > > >
> > > > Jez
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Andrew Miller" wrote in
message
> > > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > > This is how Regulations define educational credentials:
> > > > >
> > > >
> >
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > "educational credential" means any diploma, degree or trade or
> > > > > apprenticeship credential issued on the completion of a program of
> > study
> > > > or
> > > > > training at an educational or training institution recognized by
the
> > > > > authorities responsible for registering, accrediting, supervising
> and
> > > > > regulating such institutions in the country of issue.
> > > >
> >
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > >
> > > > > Microsoft, Cisco, Novell or other such certifications are not
> > > educational
> > > > > credentials, sorry.
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > >
> > > > > ../..
> > > > >
> > > > > Andrew Miller
> > > > > Immigration Consultant
> > > > > Vancouver, British Columbia
> > > > > email: [email protected]
> > > > > (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
> > > > >
> > > > > For confidential phone consultation go here:
> > > > >
> > > > > http://members.yahoo.liveadvice.com/andrewmiller_canada
> > > > > ________________________________
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "Jez Harper" wrote in message
> > > > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > > > Can anyone tell me what a Trade Certificate is?
> > > > > > Is it only for specific trades such as manual trades, i.e. a
> > mechanic?
> > > > > > Are commercial certifications accepted? (Such as Microsoft
> > > > Certification)
> > > > > > Are certifications only accepted if they are accredited by a
> > > government
> > > > > > recognised training organisation or governing body?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
own limited Company here in the UK and earn over £100000 (CDN$245000)
As for 'no education', I am educated, but the qualifications I have are
specifically relevant to the work I do and are not classroom based
qualifications (Well, one of them is, but it is just an OND and they don't
count either).
I am amazed that 9 years experience and recognised certifications (by
employers at least) count for nothing!
Looks like I am going to have to to a diploma then. I may be able to get
some credits under the 'Accreditation of Prior Learning' scheme here in the
UK so it might not take too long.
Myself and my family REALLY want to go to Canada, so it will be worth the
effort and time.
Thankyou very much for your advice Andrew.
Cheers
Jez
"Andrew Miller" wrote in message
news:%[email protected]...
> Like I said earlier - HRDC opinion for arranged employment may be
impossible
> to obtain without post secondary education, although you may try. Without
> positive opinion from HRDC you will not get points for arranged
employment,
> and even if by some chance you get positive opinion then there is no
> guarantee that processing officer will accept the job offer in current job
> market in IT industry situation. This is why I said also that you should
try
> to get work permit first - but for the same reasons it will be also almost
> impossible to get.
> With 60 points, no education - you have no chance for approval unless
there
> are some other very solid factors showing your ability to establish
yourself
> in Canada - based on all your posts today I cannot see any of such in your
> case, but I may be wrong as you didn't tell us all.
> I don't charge anything for initial assessment - it always was and still
is
> free.
> --
> ../..
> Andrew Miller
> Immigration Consultant
> Vancouver, British Columbia
> email: [email protected]
> (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
> For confidential phone consultation go here:
> http://members.yahoo.liveadvice.com/andrewmiller_canada
> ________________________________
> "Jez Harper" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Thanks again Andrew,
> >
> > without post secondary education, the only way (according to the cic
self
> > assesment tool) to reach 75 points is by having a job offer. Without 75
> > points, is it usually automatic rejection?
> >
> > How much do you charge for assesments?
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Jez
> >
> >
> > "Andrew Miller" wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > Education is only one (although important) factor in the selection
> > criteria.
> > > It is rather extremely difficult (but not impossible) to reach 75
points
> > > pass mark without post secondary education. You should seek
professional
> > > assessment of your chances and options (if any).
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > ../..
> > >
> > > Andrew Miller
> > > Immigration Consultant
> > > Vancouver, British Columbia
> > > email: [email protected]
> > > (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
> > >
> > > For confidential phone consultation go here:
> > >
> > > http://members.yahoo.liveadvice.com/andrewmiller_canada
> > > ________________________________
> > >
> > >
> > > "Jez Harper" wrote in message
> > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > Thank you Andrew,
> > > >
> > > > Do you know of anyone who has managed to get PR without having more
> than
> > > > highschool credentials? I suppose it is too early to tell on the new
> > > rules?
> > > >
> > > > Cheers
> > > >
> > > > Jez
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Andrew Miller" wrote in
message
> > > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > > This is how Regulations define educational credentials:
> > > > >
> > > >
> >
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > "educational credential" means any diploma, degree or trade or
> > > > > apprenticeship credential issued on the completion of a program of
> > study
> > > > or
> > > > > training at an educational or training institution recognized by
the
> > > > > authorities responsible for registering, accrediting, supervising
> and
> > > > > regulating such institutions in the country of issue.
> > > >
> >
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > >
> > > > > Microsoft, Cisco, Novell or other such certifications are not
> > > educational
> > > > > credentials, sorry.
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > >
> > > > > ../..
> > > > >
> > > > > Andrew Miller
> > > > > Immigration Consultant
> > > > > Vancouver, British Columbia
> > > > > email: [email protected]
> > > > > (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
> > > > >
> > > > > For confidential phone consultation go here:
> > > > >
> > > > > http://members.yahoo.liveadvice.com/andrewmiller_canada
> > > > > ________________________________
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "Jez Harper" wrote in message
> > > > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > > > Can anyone tell me what a Trade Certificate is?
> > > > > > Is it only for specific trades such as manual trades, i.e. a
> > mechanic?
> > > > > > Are commercial certifications accepted? (Such as Microsoft
> > > > Certification)
> > > > > > Are certifications only accepted if they are accredited by a
> > > government
> > > > > > recognised training organisation or governing body?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
Dec 6th 2002, 5:44 am
#8
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Trade Certificate
Check your email please
--
../..
Andrew Miller
Immigration Consultant
Vancouver, British Columbia
email: [email protected]
(delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
For confidential phone consultation go here:
http://members.yahoo.liveadvice.com/andrewmiller_canada
________________________________
"Jez Harper" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> What factors would show my ability to establish myself in Canada? I run my
> own limited Company here in the UK and earn over £100000 (CDN$245000)
> As for 'no education', I am educated, but the qualifications I have are
> specifically relevant to the work I do and are not classroom based
> qualifications (Well, one of them is, but it is just an OND and they don't
> count either).
> I am amazed that 9 years experience and recognised certifications (by
> employers at least) count for nothing!
> Looks like I am going to have to to a diploma then. I may be able to get
> some credits under the 'Accreditation of Prior Learning' scheme here in
the
> UK so it might not take too long.
> Myself and my family REALLY want to go to Canada, so it will be worth the
> effort and time.
> Thankyou very much for your advice Andrew.
> Cheers
> Jez
> "Andrew Miller" wrote in message
> news:%[email protected]...
> > Like I said earlier - HRDC opinion for arranged employment may be
> impossible
> > to obtain without post secondary education, although you may try.
Without
> > positive opinion from HRDC you will not get points for arranged
> employment,
> > and even if by some chance you get positive opinion then there is no
> > guarantee that processing officer will accept the job offer in current
job
> > market in IT industry situation. This is why I said also that you should
> try
> > to get work permit first - but for the same reasons it will be also
almost
> > impossible to get.
> >
> > With 60 points, no education - you have no chance for approval unless
> there
> > are some other very solid factors showing your ability to establish
> yourself
> > in Canada - based on all your posts today I cannot see any of such in
your
> > case, but I may be wrong as you didn't tell us all.
> >
> > I don't charge anything for initial assessment - it always was and still
> is
> > free.
> >
> > --
> >
> > ../..
> >
> > Andrew Miller
> > Immigration Consultant
> > Vancouver, British Columbia
> > email: [email protected]
> > (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
> >
> > For confidential phone consultation go here:
> >
> > http://members.yahoo.liveadvice.com/andrewmiller_canada
> > ________________________________
> >
> >
> > "Jez Harper" wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > Thanks again Andrew,
> > >
> > > without post secondary education, the only way (according to the cic
> self
> > > assesment tool) to reach 75 points is by having a job offer. Without
75
> > > points, is it usually automatic rejection?
> > >
> > > How much do you charge for assesments?
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > >
> > > Jez
> > >
> > >
> > > "Andrew Miller" wrote in message
> > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > Education is only one (although important) factor in the selection
> > > criteria.
> > > > It is rather extremely difficult (but not impossible) to reach 75
> points
> > > > pass mark without post secondary education. You should seek
> professional
> > > > assessment of your chances and options (if any).
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > > ../..
> > > >
> > > > Andrew Miller
> > > > Immigration Consultant
> > > > Vancouver, British Columbia
> > > > email: [email protected]
> > > > (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
> > > >
> > > > For confidential phone consultation go here:
> > > >
> > > > http://members.yahoo.liveadvice.com/andrewmiller_canada
> > > > ________________________________
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Jez Harper" wrote in message
> > > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > > Thank you Andrew,
> > > > >
> > > > > Do you know of anyone who has managed to get PR without having
more
> > than
> > > > > highschool credentials? I suppose it is too early to tell on the
new
> > > > rules?
> > > > >
> > > > > Cheers
> > > > >
> > > > > Jez
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "Andrew Miller" wrote in
> message
> > > > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > > > This is how Regulations define educational credentials:
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > > "educational credential" means any diploma, degree or trade or
> > > > > > apprenticeship credential issued on the completion of a program
of
> > > study
> > > > > or
> > > > > > training at an educational or training institution recognized by
> the
> > > > > > authorities responsible for registering, accrediting,
supervising
> > and
> > > > > > regulating such institutions in the country of issue.
> > > > >
> > >
> > -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Microsoft, Cisco, Novell or other such certifications are not
> > > > educational
> > > > > > credentials, sorry.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ../..
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Andrew Miller
> > > > > > Immigration Consultant
> > > > > > Vancouver, British Columbia
> > > > > > email: [email protected]
> > > > > > (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > For confidential phone consultation go here:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://members.yahoo.liveadvice.com/andrewmiller_canada
> > > > > > ________________________________
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Jez Harper" wrote in message
> > > > > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > > > > Can anyone tell me what a Trade Certificate is?
> > > > > > > Is it only for specific trades such as manual trades, i.e. a
> > > mechanic?
> > > > > > > Are commercial certifications accepted? (Such as Microsoft
> > > > > Certification)
> > > > > > > Are certifications only accepted if they are accredited by a
> > > > government
> > > > > > > recognised training organisation or governing body?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
--
../..
Andrew Miller
Immigration Consultant
Vancouver, British Columbia
email: [email protected]
(delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
For confidential phone consultation go here:
http://members.yahoo.liveadvice.com/andrewmiller_canada
________________________________
"Jez Harper" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> What factors would show my ability to establish myself in Canada? I run my
> own limited Company here in the UK and earn over £100000 (CDN$245000)
> As for 'no education', I am educated, but the qualifications I have are
> specifically relevant to the work I do and are not classroom based
> qualifications (Well, one of them is, but it is just an OND and they don't
> count either).
> I am amazed that 9 years experience and recognised certifications (by
> employers at least) count for nothing!
> Looks like I am going to have to to a diploma then. I may be able to get
> some credits under the 'Accreditation of Prior Learning' scheme here in
the
> UK so it might not take too long.
> Myself and my family REALLY want to go to Canada, so it will be worth the
> effort and time.
> Thankyou very much for your advice Andrew.
> Cheers
> Jez
> "Andrew Miller" wrote in message
> news:%[email protected]...
> > Like I said earlier - HRDC opinion for arranged employment may be
> impossible
> > to obtain without post secondary education, although you may try.
Without
> > positive opinion from HRDC you will not get points for arranged
> employment,
> > and even if by some chance you get positive opinion then there is no
> > guarantee that processing officer will accept the job offer in current
job
> > market in IT industry situation. This is why I said also that you should
> try
> > to get work permit first - but for the same reasons it will be also
almost
> > impossible to get.
> >
> > With 60 points, no education - you have no chance for approval unless
> there
> > are some other very solid factors showing your ability to establish
> yourself
> > in Canada - based on all your posts today I cannot see any of such in
your
> > case, but I may be wrong as you didn't tell us all.
> >
> > I don't charge anything for initial assessment - it always was and still
> is
> > free.
> >
> > --
> >
> > ../..
> >
> > Andrew Miller
> > Immigration Consultant
> > Vancouver, British Columbia
> > email: [email protected]
> > (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
> >
> > For confidential phone consultation go here:
> >
> > http://members.yahoo.liveadvice.com/andrewmiller_canada
> > ________________________________
> >
> >
> > "Jez Harper" wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > Thanks again Andrew,
> > >
> > > without post secondary education, the only way (according to the cic
> self
> > > assesment tool) to reach 75 points is by having a job offer. Without
75
> > > points, is it usually automatic rejection?
> > >
> > > How much do you charge for assesments?
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > >
> > > Jez
> > >
> > >
> > > "Andrew Miller" wrote in message
> > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > Education is only one (although important) factor in the selection
> > > criteria.
> > > > It is rather extremely difficult (but not impossible) to reach 75
> points
> > > > pass mark without post secondary education. You should seek
> professional
> > > > assessment of your chances and options (if any).
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > > ../..
> > > >
> > > > Andrew Miller
> > > > Immigration Consultant
> > > > Vancouver, British Columbia
> > > > email: [email protected]
> > > > (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
> > > >
> > > > For confidential phone consultation go here:
> > > >
> > > > http://members.yahoo.liveadvice.com/andrewmiller_canada
> > > > ________________________________
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Jez Harper" wrote in message
> > > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > > Thank you Andrew,
> > > > >
> > > > > Do you know of anyone who has managed to get PR without having
more
> > than
> > > > > highschool credentials? I suppose it is too early to tell on the
new
> > > > rules?
> > > > >
> > > > > Cheers
> > > > >
> > > > > Jez
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "Andrew Miller" wrote in
> message
> > > > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > > > This is how Regulations define educational credentials:
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > > "educational credential" means any diploma, degree or trade or
> > > > > > apprenticeship credential issued on the completion of a program
of
> > > study
> > > > > or
> > > > > > training at an educational or training institution recognized by
> the
> > > > > > authorities responsible for registering, accrediting,
supervising
> > and
> > > > > > regulating such institutions in the country of issue.
> > > > >
> > >
> > -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Microsoft, Cisco, Novell or other such certifications are not
> > > > educational
> > > > > > credentials, sorry.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ../..
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Andrew Miller
> > > > > > Immigration Consultant
> > > > > > Vancouver, British Columbia
> > > > > > email: [email protected]
> > > > > > (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > For confidential phone consultation go here:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://members.yahoo.liveadvice.com/andrewmiller_canada
> > > > > > ________________________________
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Jez Harper" wrote in message
> > > > > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > > > > Can anyone tell me what a Trade Certificate is?
> > > > > > > Is it only for specific trades such as manual trades, i.e. a
> > > mechanic?
> > > > > > > Are commercial certifications accepted? (Such as Microsoft
> > > > > Certification)
> > > > > > > Are certifications only accepted if they are accredited by a
> > > > government
> > > > > > > recognised training organisation or governing body?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
Dec 6th 2002, 6:38 am
#9
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Trade Certificate
Got it thanks, I will reply back as soon as I can.
Cheers
Jez
"Andrew Miller" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Check your email please
> --
> ../..
> Andrew Miller
> Immigration Consultant
> Vancouver, British Columbia
> email: [email protected]
> (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
> For confidential phone consultation go here:
> http://members.yahoo.liveadvice.com/andrewmiller_canada
> ________________________________
> "Jez Harper" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > What factors would show my ability to establish myself in Canada? I run
my
> > own limited Company here in the UK and earn over £100000 (CDN$245000)
> >
> > As for 'no education', I am educated, but the qualifications I have are
> > specifically relevant to the work I do and are not classroom based
> > qualifications (Well, one of them is, but it is just an OND and they
don't
> > count either).
> >
> > I am amazed that 9 years experience and recognised certifications (by
> > employers at least) count for nothing!
> >
> > Looks like I am going to have to to a diploma then. I may be able to get
> > some credits under the 'Accreditation of Prior Learning' scheme here in
> the
> > UK so it might not take too long.
> >
> > Myself and my family REALLY want to go to Canada, so it will be worth
the
> > effort and time.
> >
> > Thankyou very much for your advice Andrew.
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Jez
> >
> >
> > "Andrew Miller" wrote in message
> > news:%[email protected]...
> > > Like I said earlier - HRDC opinion for arranged employment may be
> > impossible
> > > to obtain without post secondary education, although you may try.
> Without
> > > positive opinion from HRDC you will not get points for arranged
> > employment,
> > > and even if by some chance you get positive opinion then there is no
> > > guarantee that processing officer will accept the job offer in current
> job
> > > market in IT industry situation. This is why I said also that you
should
> > try
> > > to get work permit first - but for the same reasons it will be also
> almost
> > > impossible to get.
> > >
> > > With 60 points, no education - you have no chance for approval unless
> > there
> > > are some other very solid factors showing your ability to establish
> > yourself
> > > in Canada - based on all your posts today I cannot see any of such in
> your
> > > case, but I may be wrong as you didn't tell us all.
> > >
> > > I don't charge anything for initial assessment - it always was and
still
> > is
> > > free.
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > ../..
> > >
> > > Andrew Miller
> > > Immigration Consultant
> > > Vancouver, British Columbia
> > > email: [email protected]
> > > (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
> > >
> > > For confidential phone consultation go here:
> > >
> > > http://members.yahoo.liveadvice.com/andrewmiller_canada
> > > ________________________________
> > >
> > >
> > > "Jez Harper" wrote in message
> > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > Thanks again Andrew,
> > > >
> > > > without post secondary education, the only way (according to the cic
> > self
> > > > assesment tool) to reach 75 points is by having a job offer. Without
> 75
> > > > points, is it usually automatic rejection?
> > > >
> > > > How much do you charge for assesments?
> > > >
> > > > Cheers
> > > >
> > > > Jez
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Andrew Miller" wrote in
message
> > > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > > Education is only one (although important) factor in the selection
> > > > criteria.
> > > > > It is rather extremely difficult (but not impossible) to reach 75
> > points
> > > > > pass mark without post secondary education. You should seek
> > professional
> > > > > assessment of your chances and options (if any).
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > >
> > > > > ../..
> > > > >
> > > > > Andrew Miller
> > > > > Immigration Consultant
> > > > > Vancouver, British Columbia
> > > > > email: [email protected]
> > > > > (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
> > > > >
> > > > > For confidential phone consultation go here:
> > > > >
> > > > > http://members.yahoo.liveadvice.com/andrewmiller_canada
> > > > > ________________________________
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "Jez Harper" wrote in message
> > > > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > > > Thank you Andrew,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Do you know of anyone who has managed to get PR without having
> more
> > > than
> > > > > > highschool credentials? I suppose it is too early to tell on the
> new
> > > > > rules?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Cheers
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jez
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Andrew Miller" wrote in
> > message
> > > > > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > > > > This is how Regulations define educational credentials:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > >
> >
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > > > "educational credential" means any diploma, degree or trade or
> > > > > > > apprenticeship credential issued on the completion of a
program
> of
> > > > study
> > > > > > or
> > > > > > > training at an educational or training institution recognized
by
> > the
> > > > > > > authorities responsible for registering, accrediting,
> supervising
> > > and
> > > > > > > regulating such institutions in the country of issue.
> > > > > >
> > > >
> >
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Microsoft, Cisco, Novell or other such certifications are not
> > > > > educational
> > > > > > > credentials, sorry.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ../..
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Andrew Miller
> > > > > > > Immigration Consultant
> > > > > > > Vancouver, British Columbia
> > > > > > > email: [email protected]
> > > > > > > (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > For confidential phone consultation go here:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > http://members.yahoo.liveadvice.com/andrewmiller_canada
> > > > > > > ________________________________
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "Jez Harper" wrote in message
> > > > > > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > > > > > Can anyone tell me what a Trade Certificate is?
> > > > > > > > Is it only for specific trades such as manual trades, i.e. a
> > > > mechanic?
> > > > > > > > Are commercial certifications accepted? (Such as Microsoft
> > > > > > Certification)
> > > > > > > > Are certifications only accepted if they are accredited by a
> > > > > government
> > > > > > > > recognised training organisation or governing body?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
Cheers
Jez
"Andrew Miller" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Check your email please
> --
> ../..
> Andrew Miller
> Immigration Consultant
> Vancouver, British Columbia
> email: [email protected]
> (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
> For confidential phone consultation go here:
> http://members.yahoo.liveadvice.com/andrewmiller_canada
> ________________________________
> "Jez Harper" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > What factors would show my ability to establish myself in Canada? I run
my
> > own limited Company here in the UK and earn over £100000 (CDN$245000)
> >
> > As for 'no education', I am educated, but the qualifications I have are
> > specifically relevant to the work I do and are not classroom based
> > qualifications (Well, one of them is, but it is just an OND and they
don't
> > count either).
> >
> > I am amazed that 9 years experience and recognised certifications (by
> > employers at least) count for nothing!
> >
> > Looks like I am going to have to to a diploma then. I may be able to get
> > some credits under the 'Accreditation of Prior Learning' scheme here in
> the
> > UK so it might not take too long.
> >
> > Myself and my family REALLY want to go to Canada, so it will be worth
the
> > effort and time.
> >
> > Thankyou very much for your advice Andrew.
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Jez
> >
> >
> > "Andrew Miller" wrote in message
> > news:%[email protected]...
> > > Like I said earlier - HRDC opinion for arranged employment may be
> > impossible
> > > to obtain without post secondary education, although you may try.
> Without
> > > positive opinion from HRDC you will not get points for arranged
> > employment,
> > > and even if by some chance you get positive opinion then there is no
> > > guarantee that processing officer will accept the job offer in current
> job
> > > market in IT industry situation. This is why I said also that you
should
> > try
> > > to get work permit first - but for the same reasons it will be also
> almost
> > > impossible to get.
> > >
> > > With 60 points, no education - you have no chance for approval unless
> > there
> > > are some other very solid factors showing your ability to establish
> > yourself
> > > in Canada - based on all your posts today I cannot see any of such in
> your
> > > case, but I may be wrong as you didn't tell us all.
> > >
> > > I don't charge anything for initial assessment - it always was and
still
> > is
> > > free.
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > ../..
> > >
> > > Andrew Miller
> > > Immigration Consultant
> > > Vancouver, British Columbia
> > > email: [email protected]
> > > (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
> > >
> > > For confidential phone consultation go here:
> > >
> > > http://members.yahoo.liveadvice.com/andrewmiller_canada
> > > ________________________________
> > >
> > >
> > > "Jez Harper" wrote in message
> > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > Thanks again Andrew,
> > > >
> > > > without post secondary education, the only way (according to the cic
> > self
> > > > assesment tool) to reach 75 points is by having a job offer. Without
> 75
> > > > points, is it usually automatic rejection?
> > > >
> > > > How much do you charge for assesments?
> > > >
> > > > Cheers
> > > >
> > > > Jez
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Andrew Miller" wrote in
message
> > > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > > Education is only one (although important) factor in the selection
> > > > criteria.
> > > > > It is rather extremely difficult (but not impossible) to reach 75
> > points
> > > > > pass mark without post secondary education. You should seek
> > professional
> > > > > assessment of your chances and options (if any).
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > >
> > > > > ../..
> > > > >
> > > > > Andrew Miller
> > > > > Immigration Consultant
> > > > > Vancouver, British Columbia
> > > > > email: [email protected]
> > > > > (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
> > > > >
> > > > > For confidential phone consultation go here:
> > > > >
> > > > > http://members.yahoo.liveadvice.com/andrewmiller_canada
> > > > > ________________________________
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "Jez Harper" wrote in message
> > > > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > > > Thank you Andrew,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Do you know of anyone who has managed to get PR without having
> more
> > > than
> > > > > > highschool credentials? I suppose it is too early to tell on the
> new
> > > > > rules?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Cheers
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jez
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Andrew Miller" wrote in
> > message
> > > > > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > > > > This is how Regulations define educational credentials:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > >
> >
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > > > "educational credential" means any diploma, degree or trade or
> > > > > > > apprenticeship credential issued on the completion of a
program
> of
> > > > study
> > > > > > or
> > > > > > > training at an educational or training institution recognized
by
> > the
> > > > > > > authorities responsible for registering, accrediting,
> supervising
> > > and
> > > > > > > regulating such institutions in the country of issue.
> > > > > >
> > > >
> >
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Microsoft, Cisco, Novell or other such certifications are not
> > > > > educational
> > > > > > > credentials, sorry.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ../..
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Andrew Miller
> > > > > > > Immigration Consultant
> > > > > > > Vancouver, British Columbia
> > > > > > > email: [email protected]
> > > > > > > (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > For confidential phone consultation go here:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > http://members.yahoo.liveadvice.com/andrewmiller_canada
> > > > > > > ________________________________
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "Jez Harper" wrote in message
> > > > > > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > > > > > Can anyone tell me what a Trade Certificate is?
> > > > > > > > Is it only for specific trades such as manual trades, i.e. a
> > > > mechanic?
> > > > > > > > Are commercial certifications accepted? (Such as Microsoft
> > > > > > Certification)
> > > > > > > > Are certifications only accepted if they are accredited by a
> > > > > government
> > > > > > > > recognised training organisation or governing body?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
Dec 6th 2002, 5:31 pm
#10
Cynically amused.
Joined: Oct 2002
Location: BC
Posts: 3,648
Re: Trade Certificate
[QUOTE][SIZE=1]Originally posted by Jez Harper
What factors would show my ability to establish myself in Canada? I run my
own limited Company here in the UK and earn over £100000 (CDN$245000)
As for 'no education', I am educated, but the qualifications I have are
specifically relevant to the work I do and are not classroom based
qualifications (Well, one of them is, but it is just an OND and they don't
count either).
I am amazed that 9 years experience and recognised certifications (by
employers at least) count for nothing!
Looks like I am going to have to to a diploma then. I may be able to get
some credits under the 'Accreditation of Prior Learning' scheme here in the
UK so it might not take too long.
Myself and my family REALLY want to go to Canada, so it will be worth the
effort and time.
Thankyou very much for your advice Andrew.
Cheers
Jez
************************************************** *********
I would of course defer to Mr.Miller but just a note of caution - that diploma you mentioned under the prior learning accreditation thingy is not accepted [in BC anyway] as equivalent to anything at Canadian diploma level...it's ranked at Grade 12 level. It may not get you the points you need. Could I suggest challenging an HNC - that will get you an equivalency you can really use when you get here? The other thing is that the IT market is dead and buried in Canada imho...you may not like the seriously crappy positions you have to fight for unless you go the entrepreneurial route and start up your own business here. Then you will need North American credentials/experience to get the certification you need to do what you can probably do blindfold and drunk before anyone will even look at you. My husband was on a good whack in the UK and had solid IT training on the job - the best he got offered here was $8 -12 an hour with 2 weeks holiday AFTER a year and shite benefits. I had to go back to Uni and get a North American degree...embarassingly easy but they have this educational superiority complex over here.
Do think long and hard before giving up your own company and an income like that.
What factors would show my ability to establish myself in Canada? I run my
own limited Company here in the UK and earn over £100000 (CDN$245000)
As for 'no education', I am educated, but the qualifications I have are
specifically relevant to the work I do and are not classroom based
qualifications (Well, one of them is, but it is just an OND and they don't
count either).
I am amazed that 9 years experience and recognised certifications (by
employers at least) count for nothing!
Looks like I am going to have to to a diploma then. I may be able to get
some credits under the 'Accreditation of Prior Learning' scheme here in the
UK so it might not take too long.
Myself and my family REALLY want to go to Canada, so it will be worth the
effort and time.
Thankyou very much for your advice Andrew.
Cheers
Jez
************************************************** *********
I would of course defer to Mr.Miller but just a note of caution - that diploma you mentioned under the prior learning accreditation thingy is not accepted [in BC anyway] as equivalent to anything at Canadian diploma level...it's ranked at Grade 12 level. It may not get you the points you need. Could I suggest challenging an HNC - that will get you an equivalency you can really use when you get here? The other thing is that the IT market is dead and buried in Canada imho...you may not like the seriously crappy positions you have to fight for unless you go the entrepreneurial route and start up your own business here. Then you will need North American credentials/experience to get the certification you need to do what you can probably do blindfold and drunk before anyone will even look at you. My husband was on a good whack in the UK and had solid IT training on the job - the best he got offered here was $8 -12 an hour with 2 weeks holiday AFTER a year and shite benefits. I had to go back to Uni and get a North American degree...embarassingly easy but they have this educational superiority complex over here.
Do think long and hard before giving up your own company and an income like that.
Last edited by dingbat; Dec 6th 2002 at 5:39 pm.
