John Ryan

Hello all

If you would like to tell the Canadian Prime Minister, the Minister in charge of
Citizenship and Immigration and the chairperson of the Parliamentary Standing
Committee reviewing the proposed new regulations you can add you voice to thousands
of Canadians protesting the new rules by visiting

http://www.aicc.ca

or

http://www.clientfind.com

Simply enter you name, address and email address, click on the submit button and the
Prime Minister will hear you.

Collectively we can change the ministers mind!!

Yours very truly, The Association of Immigration Counsels of Canada

John P. Ryan O.S.J. National President

LadyBug4u2ca

I beg your pardon, just who is protesting to the new rules? Might it be the
immigration lawyers, who see some lose in income?

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Stephen C. Gallagher

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Actually, it's actual people who applied to immigrate under the old rules, but who
now stand to lose hundreds of dollars.

The application fees are not refundable. There are many applications in process, and
the people who submitted them did so on the basis that they met the qualifications.
Now, the government is changing these qualifications, and telling people with
applications in progress, that if they don't meet the new qualifications, their
applications will be denied AND they won't get their money back.

These people would not have applied (and paid the fees) if they didn't meet the
requirements. The government should either process the applications already in
process, under the old rules, or if they want to apply the new rules, then any
application that does not qualify under the new rules, but which would have qualified
under the old rules, should be given a full refund.

Stephen Gallagher

Berto Volpentesta

There will be some who lose income and possibly go out of business. = That is fine.

What is not fine is the loss to those who applied for a process, paid a = fee and
should be entitled to that process to have the carpet pulled = from under them is
just not right.

Besides their hundreds or thousands of dollars, they have incurred an = opportunity
cost sometimes spanning three or more years. =20

There is also the cost to thousands of families that no longer have any = chance of
seeing family members again. Unable to qualify for the family = class, an applicant
may have qualified under the skilled worker cat. = Now, with this score, nearly no
one will qualify as we have seen in this = group.

Further, the minister has made several comments before parilament and = before the
senate that are simply untrue. Another example is = demonstrated in today's articles
where she says everyone was told it = would be retroactive and that has been on the
web site since Sept.

Not to mention the loss for Canada. Somehow, people think that Canada = will always
be able to meet our requirements. Let me assure you that = with globalization come
mobility and the desirability of other locations = and increased competition for
skilled workers.=20

Slamming the door in their face is no way to attract people.

There is a lot of loss an

--=20 Good luck,

All opinions expressed are IMHO, not anyone else's

Berto Volpentesta, B.A. (Spec. Hons.), B.Ed. Member, OPIC Director, OPIC and
Education Committee Chairman

Sidhu & Volpentesta Inc. Serving people around the world since 1991

www.svcanada.com

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Gogo

I agree with Mr. Volpentesta. This is the real picture, and it is not
exaggerated at all.

One more point that he missed is the uncomfortable position in which Canada places
her stuff in her embassies around the world. Those are the people who will have the
uneasy task to explain to applicants that they have been lied by the country of their
dreams. And those people will have to bear the anger. From my experience, I can asure
you that immigration officers are very good professionals and have been serving their
country with great devotion, and they don't deserve that.

Henry Someillan

Hi:

I understand your frustration! Just keep in mind that all Application do specify that
changes are at their discretion and can been done at anytime. It is not worded as
this but I have seen the applications that explains the above.

Also, I am not Canadian nor am I a permanent Resident in Canada just mentioning this
so you don't think it is coming from a Canadian. In addition what I am saying is not
for anyone to take as being rude or anything.

But if we all come down and think about it, the only ones that can really makes
suggestion and protest in a Country are the Citizen and Legal Permanent Resident(s)
that reside there. To some points, the Citizens voice is the one that makes a
difference especially when it comes down to voting.

Here this is the one under fee(s) check it out:

* Subject to change at any time.

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/info/fees-e.html

If you scroll down at the same link you will find this:

Because processing fees are only for handling your application, you will not get your
money back, even if your application is refused.

We therefore suggest you read our application kits very carefully before submitting a
formal application.

<<The above is not new and has been at the CIC site for the latest. So, those that do
apply are aware or at least should be aware as to what CIC advises. In addition it is
also mentioned in the kit, under the instruction category. So, those that do apply
are aware that there is no refund on the processing fees.>>

Scroll down just a little more and you will find this still at the same link above:

Privilege Fees

Privilege fees are payments for a specific right or privilege, such as the
acquisition of permanent resident status (Right of Landing Fee) or Canadian
citizenship (Right of Citizenship Fee). All application kits explain when these fees
must be paid. If the right or privilege is not granted, the fee must be refunded.

This is the only time where CIC would refund a person their money. Which, I feel this
is a courteous on their behalf. If you were submitted forms to the U.S. you would not
get a refund on any petitions that are filed.

I am not trying to put you or anyone down. Just thought it is a good idea to remind
those that want to migrate to Canada that CIC does inform you up front of their
regulations.

I have not read the new law yet. If you have the link, I would be interested in
reading it. Most likely the new law will affect the new applications and not the ones
that have been filed before the new law was pass or is about to be pass.

Please provide the link. I would like to read it and research further. Have a good
day and all the best!

Sincerely,

Legaljustice4all~:0)

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Stephen C. Gallagher

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http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/info/fees-e.html

The FEES are subject to change at any time. Nobody is disagreeing with that.

It still does not change the fact that the government stands to make millions of
dollars from people who would never have paid the fee originally, if they knew that
while they met the qualifications at that time, they won't meet them when their
application is finally considered.

People who might meet the qualifications and who apply, are taking a gamble. But
there are thousands of cases where, if processed under the new rules, just do not
qualify. Those people would not have applied, just to throw their money away.

Imagine a scenario like this: Suppose an airline were to suddenly announce that in
order to fly with them, you have to be taller than 1.8 metres. Additionally, anybody
who already purchased a ticket, but who is shorter than 1.8 metres, doesn't get his
money back. Remember, you bought a non-refundable ticket. That is exactly what the
government is doing.

The government is changing the rules after the start of the game.

Stephen

Vivek Awasthi

Stephen,

Good example. I like this comparison.

Vivek

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Pmm

Hi All

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The thinking is that all the independents applications submitted under previous Regs,
but refused under C-11 Regulations would have the fee refunded except for a $50.00
processing fee. This should be clearer when the proposed Tranche II Regulations are
prepublished in February. Even if the fee is refunded except for a processing fee, is
not going to quiet the mob

PMM

PMM

Berto Volpentesta

The department could very well refund the processing fee in its entirety = if they
wish and legally, this may get them out of some bind. =20

The embarrassment will still stand, the mistrust will still stand. Do = you think
that people will jump to apply again when they know that = things could change again?

And, what about the opportunity costs. People planned their lives based = on what
they believed to be some potential, a good one in most cases, to = migrate to Canada.
Now, some one,two and three or more years later, = that is put to an end.

There is a cost associated with that loss. =20

--=20 Good luck,

All opinions expressed are IMHO, not anyone else's

Berto Volpentesta, B.A. (Spec. Hons.), B.Ed. Member, OPIC Director, OPIC and
Education Committee Chairman

Sidhu & Volpentesta Inc. Serving people around the world since 1991

www.svcanada.com

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