Rick J

I am confused by the CIC Site specifically by the following:

a.. brothers, sisters, nephews, nieces or grandchildren who are orphans,
under the age of 18 and not married or in a common-law relationship; and
a.. any other relative if you have none of the above relatives or family
members, either in Canada or abroad.


Situation is:

Brother is potential sponsor, lives in Canada

Potential "Sponsoree" is sister living in England.

Their mother is still alive, living in England

Not sure whether wording regarding orphans etc applies only to Grandchildren
or whole class.

Does it mean:

She can't be sponsored while mother still alive ?

and/or

Can't be sponsored while other siblings still alive in England ("have none
of the above relatives ") ?

Andrew Miller

Yes, being "orphans, under age 18 and not married or in common-law
relationship" applies to all those listed.

Even if brother from your example would be completely alone in Canada (not
having a spouse, a common-law partner, a conjugal partner, a child, a mother
or father, a relative who is a child of that mother or father, a relative
who is a child of a child of that mother or father, a mother or father of
that mother or father or a relative who is a child of the mother or father
of that mother or father - who is a Canadian citizen or permanent resident)
then he still cannot sponsor his sister as she is not an orphan. He also
cannot sponsor sister or any other relative who is not a member of family
class because he still has a mother who may be sponsored.

Sorry...

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../..

Andrew Miller
Immigration Consultant
Vancouver, British Columbia
email: [email protected]
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"Rick J" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > I am confused by the CIC Site specifically by the following:
    > a.. brothers, sisters, nephews, nieces or grandchildren who are orphans,
    > under the age of 18 and not married or in a common-law relationship; and
    > a.. any other relative if you have none of the above relatives or family
    > members, either in Canada or abroad.
    > Situation is:
    > Brother is potential sponsor, lives in Canada
    > Potential "Sponsoree" is sister living in England.
    > Their mother is still alive, living in England
    > Not sure whether wording regarding orphans etc applies only to
Grandchildren
    > or whole class.
    > Does it mean:
    > She can't be sponsored while mother still alive ?
    > and/or
    > Can't be sponsored while other siblings still alive in England ("have none
    > of the above relatives ") ?

Andrew Miller

P.S.

If sister is younger than 22 (or if older then full time student since
before turning 22), unmarried and financially dependent from her mother then
she may be included as accompanying dependant in sponsored mother's
application.

Is there a reason why brother doesn't want to sponsor his mother?

--

../..

Andrew Miller
Immigration Consultant
Vancouver, British Columbia
email: [email protected]
(delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
________________________________


"Andrew Miller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > Yes, being "orphans, under age 18 and not married or in common-law
    > relationship" applies to all those listed.
    > Even if brother from your example would be completely alone in Canada (not
    > having a spouse, a common-law partner, a conjugal partner, a child, a
mother
    > or father, a relative who is a child of that mother or father, a relative
    > who is a child of a child of that mother or father, a mother or father of
    > that mother or father or a relative who is a child of the mother or father
    > of that mother or father - who is a Canadian citizen or permanent
resident)
    > then he still cannot sponsor his sister as she is not an orphan. He also
    > cannot sponsor sister or any other relative who is not a member of family
    > class because he still has a mother who may be sponsored.
    > Sorry...
    > --
    > ../..
    > Andrew Miller
    > Immigration Consultant
    > Vancouver, British Columbia
    > email: [email protected]
    > (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
    > ________________________________
    > "Rick J" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:zSeVb.4848$964.1482@edtnps84...
    > > I am confused by the CIC Site specifically by the following:
    > >
    > > a.. brothers, sisters, nephews, nieces or grandchildren who are orphans,
    > > under the age of 18 and not married or in a common-law relationship; and
    > > a.. any other relative if you have none of the above relatives or family
    > > members, either in Canada or abroad.
    > >
    > >
    > > Situation is:
    > >
    > > Brother is potential sponsor, lives in Canada
    > >
    > > Potential "Sponsoree" is sister living in England.
    > >
    > > Their mother is still alive, living in England
    > >
    > > Not sure whether wording regarding orphans etc applies only to
    > Grandchildren
    > > or whole class.
    > >
    > > Does it mean:
    > >
    > > She can't be sponsored while mother still alive ?
    > >
    > > and/or
    > >
    > > Can't be sponsored while other siblings still alive in England ("have
none
    > > of the above relatives ") ?
    > >
    > >
    > >

Wojciech Skrzypinski

"Rick J" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:zSeVb.4848$964.1482@edtnps84:

    > I am confused by the CIC Site specifically by the following:
    >
    > a.. brothers, sisters, nephews, nieces or grandchildren who are
    > orphans, under the age of 18 and not married or in a common-law
    > relationship; and a.. any other relative if you have none of the above
    > relatives or family members, either in Canada or abroad.

The phrase is extremely confusing.... here are the results of a Google
Groups search (where you can take a loook at similar cases from the past) :

http://tinyurl.com/3bj5e

Regards,
Wojtek

Rick J

"Andrew Miller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > P.S.
    > If sister is younger than 22 (or if older then full time student since
    > before turning 22), unmarried and financially dependent from her mother
then
    > she may be included as accompanying dependant in sponsored mother's
    > application.
    > Is there a reason why brother doesn't want to sponsor his mother?

Thanks. Good to get an answer, even if not the one I wanted !!!!!

The mother has no wish to come to Canada (is in her eighties) Sister is 60.
Separated but not divorced. Ultimately would like to divorce and marry a
Canadian she has met.

Doesn't look like there is any "quick" way of doing this. Presumably once
divorced, if she marries Canadian things would be simpler.

Andrew Miller

In such circumstances it may be the only option.

--

../..

Andrew Miller
Immigration Consultant
Vancouver, British Columbia
email: [email protected]
(delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
________________________________


"Rick J" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > Thanks. Good to get an answer, even if not the one I wanted !!!!!
    > The mother has no wish to come to Canada (is in her eighties) Sister is
60.
    > Separated but not divorced. Ultimately would like to divorce and marry a
    > Canadian she has met.
    > Doesn't look like there is any "quick" way of doing this. Presumably once
    > divorced, if she marries Canadian things would be simpler.


    > "Andrew Miller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:m8fVb.9716$Qa3.2558@edtnps89...
    > > P.S.
    > >
    > > If sister is younger than 22 (or if older then full time student since
    > > before turning 22), unmarried and financially dependent from her mother
    > then
    > > she may be included as accompanying dependant in sponsored mother's
    > > application.
    > >
    > > Is there a reason why brother doesn't want to sponsor his mother?
    > >

Wojciech Skrzypinski

"Andrew Miller" <[email protected]> wrote in
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/cut.../

    > Is there a reason why brother doesn't want to sponsor his mother?

I'm sorry for getting into your dialogue, but don't you think that this
regulation is kind of stiff ? It is obvious that older family members are
less likely to move while youngsters are more "mobile" and ready to choose
their place in the world like no generation before...

In other words - this kind of regulation seems to care about intergity of
basic family chains (siblings->parents->grandparents) + spouses and
orphans, but on the other hand - it efficiently limits number of possible
Family Class imigrants...

Best Regards,
Wojtek

Rick J

"Wojciech Skrzypinski" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > "Andrew Miller" <[email protected]> wrote in
    > news:m8fVb.9716$Qa3.2558@edtnps89:
    > /cut.../
    > > Is there a reason why brother doesn't want to sponsor his mother?
    > I'm sorry for getting into your dialogue, but don't you think that this
    > regulation is kind of stiff ? It is obvious that older family members are
    > less likely to move while youngsters are more "mobile" and ready to choose
    > their place in the world like no generation before...
    > In other words - this kind of regulation seems to care about intergity of
    > basic family chains (siblings->parents->grandparents) + spouses and
    > orphans, but on the other hand - it efficiently limits number of possible
    > Family Class imigrants...

Exactly correct. In this case the mother (in her 80s) has no intention of
immigrating.

Andrew Miller

So what? Her intentions are irrelevant.

She can be sponsored, thus brother cannot sponsor "any one relative other
than family class member", period.

Read the law please.

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../..

Andrew Miller
Immigration Consultant
Vancouver, British Columbia
email: [email protected]
(delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
________________________________


"Rick J" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > "Wojciech Skrzypinski" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > "Andrew Miller" <[email protected]> wrote in
    > > news:m8fVb.9716$Qa3.2558@edtnps89:
    > >
    > > /cut.../
    > >
    > > > Is there a reason why brother doesn't want to sponsor his mother?
    > >
    > > I'm sorry for getting into your dialogue, but don't you think that this
    > > regulation is kind of stiff ? It is obvious that older family members
are
    > > less likely to move while youngsters are more "mobile" and ready to
choose
    > > their place in the world like no generation before...
    > >
    > > In other words - this kind of regulation seems to care about intergity
of
    > > basic family chains (siblings->parents->grandparents) + spouses and
    > > orphans, but on the other hand - it efficiently limits number of
possible
    > > Family Class imigrants...
    > >
    > Exactly correct. In this case the mother (in her 80s) has no intention of
    > immigrating.