Sfhills

Hi,

I would appreciate help answering these two questions. My family is
considering applying for immigration to Canada under the skilled work class.

1. We have family in Ontario who have several businesses and would be happy
to give the principal applicant a full time job upon arrival. Does the job
have to be in a NOC skilled worker class, or in the same job type as
previous work experience, in order to count for arranged employment points?

The intention would be to eventually get a job in the same area as the
skilled work experience, but this would ensure financial stability until
that time. We also have the unencumbered funds available to meet the
guidelines listed.


2. We have a 21 year old son who lives with us that we'd like to be included
as a family member. The application guide says that a dependent under the
age of 22 who is not married qualifies as a family member. I couldn't find
any specifics on the definition of a dependent. Do I need to worry about
this?

Thanks a bunch. Reading this newsgroup has been very informative.
Best regards,


"Family members include your:
* Spouse
* Common-law partner
* Dependent children: Daughters and sons, including childrena dopted before
the age of 18, who:
... * are under the age of 22 and do not have a spouse or common-law
partner"

Sfhills

Can anyone with experience in this area comment on it?

Thankyou,

---
Remove dashes from email address to email me.

"sfhills" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > Hi,
    > I would appreciate help answering these two questions. My family is
    > considering applying for immigration to Canada under the skilled work
class.
    > 1. We have family in Ontario who have several businesses and would be
happy
    > to give the principal applicant a full time job upon arrival. Does the
job
    > have to be in a NOC skilled worker class, or in the same job type as
    > previous work experience, in order to count for arranged employment
points?
    > The intention would be to eventually get a job in the same area as the
    > skilled work experience, but this would ensure financial stability until
    > that time. We also have the unencumbered funds available to meet the
    > guidelines listed.
    > 2. We have a 21 year old son who lives with us that we'd like to be
included
    > as a family member. The application guide says that a dependent under the
    > age of 22 who is not married qualifies as a family member. I couldn't find
    > any specifics on the definition of a dependent. Do I need to worry about
    > this?
    > Thanks a bunch. Reading this newsgroup has been very informative.
    > Best regards,
    > "Family members include your:
    > * Spouse
    > * Common-law partner
    > * Dependent children: Daughters and sons, including childrena dopted
before
    > the age of 18, who:
    > ... * are under the age of 22 and do not have a spouse or common-law
    > partner"

Andrew Miller

1. Yes, the job should be not only within so called skilled category (top 3
bands of NOC) in order to get positive opinion from HRDC but also within
applicant's education and experience credentials. Decision to accept such
job offer with positive HRDC opinion as Arranged Employment (thus to grant
points for such) is in the discretion of processing officer who must be sure
that applicant has skills and experience to perform the job.

So, it cannot be just any job. If applicant for example is a chemist and job
is in construction, management of retail store, electronics, etc. then
processing officer won't accept it.

2. If your son meets the following definition then there is nothing to
worry:

---------------------------------------------------------
"dependent child", in respect of a parent, means a child who

(a) has one of the following relationships with the parent, namely,

(i) is the biological child of the parent, if the child has not been
adopted by a person other than the spouse or common-law partner of the
parent, or

(ii) is the adopted child of the parent; and

(b) is in one of the following situations of dependency, namely,

(i) is less than 22 years of age and not a spouse or common-law partner,

(ii) has depended substantially on the financial support of the parent
since before the age of 22 - or if the child became a spouse or common-law
partner before the age of 22, since becoming a spouse or common-law
partner - and, since before the age of 22 or since becoming a spouse or
common-law partner, as the case may be, has been a student

(A) continuously enrolled in and attending a postsecondary institution that
is accredited by the relevant government authority, and

(B) actively pursuing a course of academic, professional or vocational
training on a full-time basis, or

(iii) is 22 years of age or older and has depended substantially on the
financial support of the parent since before the age of 22 and is unable to
be financially self-supporting due to a physical or mental condition.
---------------------------------------------------------

--

../..

Andrew Miller
Immigration Consultant
Vancouver, British Columbia
email: [email protected]
(delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)

For confidential phone consultation go here:

http://members.yahoo.liveadvice.com/andrewmiller_canada
________________________________


"sfhills" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > Can anyone with experience in this area comment on it?
    > Thankyou,
    > ---
    > Remove dashes from email address to email me.
    > "sfhills" wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > Hi,
    > >
    > > I would appreciate help answering these two questions. My family is
    > > considering applying for immigration to Canada under the skilled work
    > class.
    > >
    > > 1. We have family in Ontario who have several businesses and would be
    > happy
    > > to give the principal applicant a full time job upon arrival. Does the
    > job
    > > have to be in a NOC skilled worker class, or in the same job type as
    > > previous work experience, in order to count for arranged employment
    > points?
    > >
    > > The intention would be to eventually get a job in the same area as the
    > > skilled work experience, but this would ensure financial stability until
    > > that time. We also have the unencumbered funds available to meet the
    > > guidelines listed.
    > >
    > >
    > > 2. We have a 21 year old son who lives with us that we'd like to be
    > included
    > > as a family member. The application guide says that a dependent under
the
    > > age of 22 who is not married qualifies as a family member. I couldn't
find
    > > any specifics on the definition of a dependent. Do I need to worry about
    > > this?
    > >
    > > Thanks a bunch. Reading this newsgroup has been very informative.
    > > Best regards,
    > >
    > >
    > > "Family members include your:
    > > * Spouse
    > > * Common-law partner
    > > * Dependent children: Daughters and sons, including childrena dopted
    > before
    > > the age of 18, who:
    > > ... * are under the age of 22 and do not have a spouse or common-law
    > > partner"
    > >
    > >

Sfhills

Mr Miller,

Thankyou for your answers. They're very helpful.
I have one more question:

To qualify for 4+ years skilled work experience, is it important that all
years be in the exact same NOC? i.e. the same NOC job code. Or would three
years in three different NOC job code categories (all in the technical field
but not exactly the same job title and duties) be sufficient?

The guide just says 4 or more years in NOC listed skilled jobs. I couldn't
find any specification of whether or not they needed to be in the exact same
NOC job code.

Best regards,

"Andrew Miller" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > 1. Yes, the job should be not only within so called skilled category (top
3
    > bands of NOC) in order to get positive opinion from HRDC but also within
    > applicant's education and experience credentials. Decision to accept such
    > job offer with positive HRDC opinion as Arranged Employment (thus to grant
    > points for such) is in the discretion of processing officer who must be
sure
    > that applicant has skills and experience to perform the job.
    > So, it cannot be just any job. If applicant for example is a chemist and
job
    > is in construction, management of retail store, electronics, etc. then
    > processing officer won't accept it.
    > 2. If your son meets the following definition then there is nothing to
    > worry:
    > ---------------------------------------------------------
    > "dependent child", in respect of a parent, means a child who
    > (a) has one of the following relationships with the parent, namely,
    > (i) is the biological child of the parent, if the child has not been
    > adopted by a person other than the spouse or common-law partner of the
    > parent, or
    > (ii) is the adopted child of the parent; and
    > (b) is in one of the following situations of dependency, namely,
    > (i) is less than 22 years of age and not a spouse or common-law partner,
    > (ii) has depended substantially on the financial support of the parent
    > since before the age of 22 - or if the child became a spouse or common-law
    > partner before the age of 22, since becoming a spouse or common-law
    > partner - and, since before the age of 22 or since becoming a spouse or
    > common-law partner, as the case may be, has been a student
    > (A) continuously enrolled in and attending a postsecondary institution
that
    > is accredited by the relevant government authority, and
    > (B) actively pursuing a course of academic, professional or vocational
    > training on a full-time basis, or
    > (iii) is 22 years of age or older and has depended substantially on the
    > financial support of the parent since before the age of 22 and is unable
to
    > be financially self-supporting due to a physical or mental condition.
    > ---------------------------------------------------------
    > --
    > ../..
    > Andrew Miller
    > Immigration Consultant
    > Vancouver, British Columbia
    > email: [email protected]
    > (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
    > For confidential phone consultation go here:
    > http://members.yahoo.liveadvice.com/andrewmiller_canada
    > ________________________________
    > "sfhills" wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > Can anyone with experience in this area comment on it?
    > >
    > > Thankyou,
    > >
    > > ---
    > > Remove dashes from email address to email me.
    > >
    > > "sfhills" wrote in message
    > > news:[email protected]...
    > > > Hi,
    > > >
    > > > I would appreciate help answering these two questions. My family is
    > > > considering applying for immigration to Canada under the skilled work
    > > class.
    > > >
    > > > 1. We have family in Ontario who have several businesses and would be
    > > happy
    > > > to give the principal applicant a full time job upon arrival. Does
the
    > > job
    > > > have to be in a NOC skilled worker class, or in the same job type as
    > > > previous work experience, in order to count for arranged employment
    > > points?
    > > >
    > > > The intention would be to eventually get a job in the same area as the
    > > > skilled work experience, but this would ensure financial stability
until
    > > > that time. We also have the unencumbered funds available to meet the
    > > > guidelines listed.
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > 2. We have a 21 year old son who lives with us that we'd like to be
    > > included
    > > > as a family member. The application guide says that a dependent under
    > the
    > > > age of 22 who is not married qualifies as a family member. I couldn't
    > find
    > > > any specifics on the definition of a dependent. Do I need to worry
about
    > > > this?
    > > >
    > > > Thanks a bunch. Reading this newsgroup has been very informative.
    > > > Best regards,
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > "Family members include your:
    > > > * Spouse
    > > > * Common-law partner
    > > > * Dependent children: Daughters and sons, including childrena dopted
    > > before
    > > > the age of 18, who:
    > > > ... * are under the age of 22 and do not have a spouse or common-law
    > > > partner"
    > > >
    > > >
    > >
    > >

Andrew Miller

The law clearly says - "...in one or more occupations..."

--

../..

Andrew Miller
Immigration Consultant
Vancouver, British Columbia
email: [email protected]
(delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)

For confidential phone consultation go here:

http://members.yahoo.liveadvice.com/andrewmiller_canada
________________________________


"sfhills" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > Mr Miller,
    > Thankyou for your answers. They're very helpful.
    > I have one more question:
    > To qualify for 4+ years skilled work experience, is it important that all
    > years be in the exact same NOC? i.e. the same NOC job code. Or would
three
    > years in three different NOC job code categories (all in the technical
field
    > but not exactly the same job title and duties) be sufficient?
    > The guide just says 4 or more years in NOC listed skilled jobs. I couldn't
    > find any specification of whether or not they needed to be in the exact
same
    > NOC job code.
    > Best regards,
    > "Andrew Miller" wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > 1. Yes, the job should be not only within so called skilled category
(top
    > 3
    > > bands of NOC) in order to get positive opinion from HRDC but also within
    > > applicant's education and experience credentials. Decision to accept
such
    > > job offer with positive HRDC opinion as Arranged Employment (thus to
grant
    > > points for such) is in the discretion of processing officer who must be
    > sure
    > > that applicant has skills and experience to perform the job.
    > >
    > > So, it cannot be just any job. If applicant for example is a chemist and
    > job
    > > is in construction, management of retail store, electronics, etc. then
    > > processing officer won't accept it.
    > >
    > > 2. If your son meets the following definition then there is nothing to
    > > worry:
    > >
    > > ---------------------------------------------------------
    > > "dependent child", in respect of a parent, means a child who
    > >
    > > (a) has one of the following relationships with the parent, namely,
    > >
    > > (i) is the biological child of the parent, if the child has not been
    > > adopted by a person other than the spouse or common-law partner of the
    > > parent, or
    > >
    > > (ii) is the adopted child of the parent; and
    > >
    > > (b) is in one of the following situations of dependency, namely,
    > >
    > > (i) is less than 22 years of age and not a spouse or common-law
partner,
    > >
    > > (ii) has depended substantially on the financial support of the parent
    > > since before the age of 22 - or if the child became a spouse or
common-law
    > > partner before the age of 22, since becoming a spouse or common-law
    > > partner - and, since before the age of 22 or since becoming a spouse or
    > > common-law partner, as the case may be, has been a student
    > >
    > > (A) continuously enrolled in and attending a postsecondary institution
    > that
    > > is accredited by the relevant government authority, and
    > >
    > > (B) actively pursuing a course of academic, professional or vocational
    > > training on a full-time basis, or
    > >
    > > (iii) is 22 years of age or older and has depended substantially on the
    > > financial support of the parent since before the age of 22 and is unable
    > to
    > > be financially self-supporting due to a physical or mental condition.
    > > ---------------------------------------------------------
    > >
    > > --
    > >
    > > ../..
    > >
    > > Andrew Miller
    > > Immigration Consultant
    > > Vancouver, British Columbia
    > > email: [email protected]
    > > (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
    > >
    > > For confidential phone consultation go here:
    > >
    > > http://members.yahoo.liveadvice.com/andrewmiller_canada
    > > ________________________________
    > >
    > >
    > > "sfhills" wrote in message
    > > news:[email protected]...
    > > > Can anyone with experience in this area comment on it?
    > > >
    > > > Thankyou,
    > > >
    > > > ---
    > > > Remove dashes from email address to email me.
    > > >
    > > > "sfhills" wrote in message
    > > > news:[email protected]...
    > > > > Hi,
    > > > >
    > > > > I would appreciate help answering these two questions. My family is
    > > > > considering applying for immigration to Canada under the skilled
work
    > > > class.
    > > > >
    > > > > 1. We have family in Ontario who have several businesses and would
be
    > > > happy
    > > > > to give the principal applicant a full time job upon arrival. Does
    > the
    > > > job
    > > > > have to be in a NOC skilled worker class, or in the same job type as
    > > > > previous work experience, in order to count for arranged employment
    > > > points?
    > > > >
    > > > > The intention would be to eventually get a job in the same area as
the
    > > > > skilled work experience, but this would ensure financial stability
    > until
    > > > > that time. We also have the unencumbered funds available to meet the
    > > > > guidelines listed.
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > > 2. We have a 21 year old son who lives with us that we'd like to be
    > > > included
    > > > > as a family member. The application guide says that a dependent
under
    > > the
    > > > > age of 22 who is not married qualifies as a family member. I
couldn't
    > > find
    > > > > any specifics on the definition of a dependent. Do I need to worry
    > about
    > > > > this?
    > > > >
    > > > > Thanks a bunch. Reading this newsgroup has been very informative.
    > > > > Best regards,
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > > "Family members include your:
    > > > > * Spouse
    > > > > * Common-law partner
    > > > > * Dependent children: Daughters and sons, including childrena
dopted
    > > > before
    > > > > the age of 18, who:
    > > > > ... * are under the age of 22 and do not have a spouse or common-law
    > > > > partner"
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > >
    > >

Sfhills

Thanks.

"Andrew Miller" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > The law clearly says - "...in one or more occupations..."
    > --
    > ../..
    > Andrew Miller
    > Immigration Consultant
    > Vancouver, British Columbia
    > email: [email protected]
    > (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
    > For confidential phone consultation go here:
    > http://members.yahoo.liveadvice.com/andrewmiller_canada
    > ________________________________
    > "sfhills" wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > Mr Miller,
    > >
    > > Thankyou for your answers. They're very helpful.
    > > I have one more question:
    > >
    > > To qualify for 4+ years skilled work experience, is it important that
all
    > > years be in the exact same NOC? i.e. the same NOC job code. Or would
    > three
    > > years in three different NOC job code categories (all in the technical
    > field
    > > but not exactly the same job title and duties) be sufficient?
    > >
    > > The guide just says 4 or more years in NOC listed skilled jobs. I
couldn't
    > > find any specification of whether or not they needed to be in the exact
    > same
    > > NOC job code.
    > >
    > > Best regards,
    > >
    > > "Andrew Miller" wrote in message
    > > news:[email protected]...
    > > > 1. Yes, the job should be not only within so called skilled category
    > (top
    > > 3
    > > > bands of NOC) in order to get positive opinion from HRDC but also
within
    > > > applicant's education and experience credentials. Decision to accept
    > such
    > > > job offer with positive HRDC opinion as Arranged Employment (thus to
    > grant
    > > > points for such) is in the discretion of processing officer who must
be
    > > sure
    > > > that applicant has skills and experience to perform the job.
    > > >
    > > > So, it cannot be just any job. If applicant for example is a chemist
and
    > > job
    > > > is in construction, management of retail store, electronics, etc. then
    > > > processing officer won't accept it.
    > > >
    > > > 2. If your son meets the following definition then there is nothing to
    > > > worry:
    > > >
    > > > ---------------------------------------------------------
    > > > "dependent child", in respect of a parent, means a child who
    > > >
    > > > (a) has one of the following relationships with the parent, namely,
    > > >
    > > > (i) is the biological child of the parent, if the child has not been
    > > > adopted by a person other than the spouse or common-law partner of the
    > > > parent, or
    > > >
    > > > (ii) is the adopted child of the parent; and
    > > >
    > > > (b) is in one of the following situations of dependency, namely,
    > > >
    > > > (i) is less than 22 years of age and not a spouse or common-law
    > partner,
    > > >
    > > > (ii) has depended substantially on the financial support of the
parent
    > > > since before the age of 22 - or if the child became a spouse or
    > common-law
    > > > partner before the age of 22, since becoming a spouse or common-law
    > > > partner - and, since before the age of 22 or since becoming a spouse
or
    > > > common-law partner, as the case may be, has been a student
    > > >
    > > > (A) continuously enrolled in and attending a postsecondary
institution
    > > that
    > > > is accredited by the relevant government authority, and
    > > >
    > > > (B) actively pursuing a course of academic, professional or
vocational
    > > > training on a full-time basis, or
    > > >
    > > > (iii) is 22 years of age or older and has depended substantially on
the
    > > > financial support of the parent since before the age of 22 and is
unable
    > > to
    > > > be financially self-supporting due to a physical or mental condition.
    > > > ---------------------------------------------------------
    > > >
    > > > --
    > > >
    > > > ../..
    > > >
    > > > Andrew Miller
    > > > Immigration Consultant
    > > > Vancouver, British Columbia
    > > > email: [email protected]
    > > > (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
    > > >
    > > > For confidential phone consultation go here:
    > > >
    > > > http://members.yahoo.liveadvice.com/andrewmiller_canada
    > > > ________________________________
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > "sfhills" wrote in message
    > > > news:[email protected]...
    > > > > Can anyone with experience in this area comment on it?
    > > > >
    > > > > Thankyou,
    > > > >
    > > > > ---
    > > > > Remove dashes from email address to email me.
    > > > >
    > > > > "sfhills" wrote in message
    > > > > news:[email protected]...
    > > > > > Hi,
    > > > > >
    > > > > > I would appreciate help answering these two questions. My family
is
    > > > > > considering applying for immigration to Canada under the skilled
    > work
    > > > > class.
    > > > > >
    > > > > > 1. We have family in Ontario who have several businesses and would
    > be
    > > > > happy
    > > > > > to give the principal applicant a full time job upon arrival.
Does
    > > the
    > > > > job
    > > > > > have to be in a NOC skilled worker class, or in the same job type
as
    > > > > > previous work experience, in order to count for arranged
employment
    > > > > points?
    > > > > >
    > > > > > The intention would be to eventually get a job in the same area as
    > the
    > > > > > skilled work experience, but this would ensure financial stability
    > > until
    > > > > > that time. We also have the unencumbered funds available to meet
the
    > > > > > guidelines listed.
    > > > > >
    > > > > >
    > > > > > 2. We have a 21 year old son who lives with us that we'd like to
be
    > > > > included
    > > > > > as a family member. The application guide says that a dependent
    > under
    > > > the
    > > > > > age of 22 who is not married qualifies as a family member. I
    > couldn't
    > > > find
    > > > > > any specifics on the definition of a dependent. Do I need to worry
    > > about
    > > > > > this?
    > > > > >
    > > > > > Thanks a bunch. Reading this newsgroup has been very informative.
    > > > > > Best regards,
    > > > > >
    > > > > >
    > > > > > "Family members include your:
    > > > > > * Spouse
    > > > > > * Common-law partner
    > > > > > * Dependent children: Daughters and sons, including childrena
    > dopted
    > > > > before
    > > > > > the age of 18, who:
    > > > > > ... * are under the age of 22 and do not have a spouse or
common-law
    > > > > > partner"
    > > > > >
    > > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > >
    > >