SELF-ASSESSMENT TOOL [www.cic.gc.ca] is something to rely on ???
Jan 21st 2003, 9:25 am
#1
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SELF-ASSESSMENT TOOL [www.cic.gc.ca] is something to rely on ???
I have tried to use self-assessment tool on www.cic.gc.ca web-site, and
I do not
seem to pass sinister mark of 75 points (I got 74 maximum - at best).
Self-Assessment TOOL is really a joke...
For example, ONE can live/work in USA for ages (if not always)
and still get "0" points for adaptability in Canada ?
This is not even funny!
The assessment SYSTEM is really stiff and inaccurate.
I remember it was more flexible before
(it used a different estimatation of work experience and
profession-based points as well)...
Is this "tool" somebody really relies upon ?
Is there a better way to evaluate chances (count points) other than this
primitive form on web-site?
I'd be very grateful to hear suggestions!
Thanks.
Having doubts,
"Crest-Fallen"
I do not
seem to pass sinister mark of 75 points (I got 74 maximum - at best).
Self-Assessment TOOL is really a joke...
For example, ONE can live/work in USA for ages (if not always)
and still get "0" points for adaptability in Canada ?
This is not even funny!
The assessment SYSTEM is really stiff and inaccurate.
I remember it was more flexible before
(it used a different estimatation of work experience and
profession-based points as well)...
Is this "tool" somebody really relies upon ?
Is there a better way to evaluate chances (count points) other than this
primitive form on web-site?
I'd be very grateful to hear suggestions!
Thanks.
Having doubts,
"Crest-Fallen"
Jan 21st 2003, 10:00 am
#2
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Re: SELF-ASSESSMENT TOOL [www.cic.gc.ca] is something to rely on ???
my POINTS [by infamous web-based self-assessment tool]:
Education 25 out of 25
Language Ability 24 out of 18
Work Experience 21 out of 21
Age 10 out of 10
Arranged Employment 0 out of 10
Adaptability 0 out of 10
=====
Total Score 74
"Arranged employment" is a myth.
I have been in Canada some time ago and I am keeping an eye on job
market all the time as well.
Possibility of "arranging" any REAL employment actually equals ZERO.
Unless one has very deft relatives in a place of prospective employment.
Or if one is an internationally renowned (and highly desirable)
scientist...
"Adaptability" by the criteria shown go without any comments.
[It's not even serious].
What is left?
To improve Fresh ot "high" level?
It's unreal in rather short time and without proper environment.
To "arrange" wife w/master's degree [to get more points] is much easier
than to arrange employment in Canada!
But this is all wrong, anyway...
The situation looks quite gloomy.
Having doubts,
"Crest-Fallen"
Education 25 out of 25
Language Ability 24 out of 18
Work Experience 21 out of 21
Age 10 out of 10
Arranged Employment 0 out of 10
Adaptability 0 out of 10
=====
Total Score 74
"Arranged employment" is a myth.
I have been in Canada some time ago and I am keeping an eye on job
market all the time as well.
Possibility of "arranging" any REAL employment actually equals ZERO.
Unless one has very deft relatives in a place of prospective employment.
Or if one is an internationally renowned (and highly desirable)
scientist...
"Adaptability" by the criteria shown go without any comments.
[It's not even serious].
What is left?
To improve Fresh ot "high" level?
It's unreal in rather short time and without proper environment.
To "arrange" wife w/master's degree [to get more points] is much easier
than to arrange employment in Canada!
But this is all wrong, anyway...
The situation looks quite gloomy.
Having doubts,
"Crest-Fallen"
Jan 21st 2003, 10:11 am
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Re: SELF-ASSESSMENT TOOL [www.cic.gc.ca] is something to rely on ???
i like the "24 out of 18" part the best ;-)
Jan 21st 2003, 4:00 pm
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Re: SELF-ASSESSMENT TOOL [www.cic.gc.ca] is something to rely on ???
HI Nikolay
"Nikolay Maltchev" wrote in message
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> i like the "24 out of 18" part the best ;-)
Can't add either.
PMM
"Nikolay Maltchev" wrote in message
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> i like the "24 out of 18" part the best ;-)
Can't add either.
PMM
Jan 21st 2003, 4:13 pm
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Re: SELF-ASSESSMENT TOOL [www.cic.gc.ca] is something to rely on ???
Self-assessment on CIC website is very reliable, providing that you enter
data properly. There is no such thing as "at best" - you either have certain
education, experience, language skills, etc. or you don't have it. When it
comes to points there is nothing to stretch at the time of assessment. If
you assume that you may improve some factors in the future then it is a
different story, but if you enter data as it is at a time then there is
nothing to stretch. And this self-assessment toll is not a joke - if you
don't have enough points then it is not the tool's fault...
Living in US is irrelevant when it comes to adaptability - Canada is a
separate and completely different country. One could even argue (and this
may be seemed as stretching) that someone who is in US for many years on H
visa and didn't get yet a Green Card has rather limited abilities to adapt
to and succeed in Canada as well...
And please, spare us a lecture about why you "prefer" to live in Canada
instead of US...
--
../..
Andrew Miller
Immigration Consultant
Vancouver, British Columbia
email: [email protected]
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For confidential phone consultation go here:
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"CrestFallen" wrote in message
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> I have tried to use self-assessment tool on www.cic.gc.ca web-site, and
> I do not
> seem to pass sinister mark of 75 points (I got 74 maximum - at best).
> Self-Assessment TOOL is really a joke...
> For example, ONE can live/work in USA for ages (if not always)
> and still get "0" points for adaptability in Canada ?
> This is not even funny!
> The assessment SYSTEM is really stiff and inaccurate.
> I remember it was more flexible before
> (it used a different estimatation of work experience and
> profession-based points as well)...
> Is this "tool" somebody really relies upon ?
> Is there a better way to evaluate chances (count points) other than this
> primitive form on web-site?
> I'd be very grateful to hear suggestions!
> Thanks.
> Having doubts,
> "Crest-Fallen"
data properly. There is no such thing as "at best" - you either have certain
education, experience, language skills, etc. or you don't have it. When it
comes to points there is nothing to stretch at the time of assessment. If
you assume that you may improve some factors in the future then it is a
different story, but if you enter data as it is at a time then there is
nothing to stretch. And this self-assessment toll is not a joke - if you
don't have enough points then it is not the tool's fault...
Living in US is irrelevant when it comes to adaptability - Canada is a
separate and completely different country. One could even argue (and this
may be seemed as stretching) that someone who is in US for many years on H
visa and didn't get yet a Green Card has rather limited abilities to adapt
to and succeed in Canada as well...
And please, spare us a lecture about why you "prefer" to live in Canada
instead of US...
--
../..
Andrew Miller
Immigration Consultant
Vancouver, British Columbia
email: [email protected]
(delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
For confidential phone consultation go here:
http://members.yahoo.liveadvice.com/andrewmiller_canada
________________________________
"CrestFallen" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I have tried to use self-assessment tool on www.cic.gc.ca web-site, and
> I do not
> seem to pass sinister mark of 75 points (I got 74 maximum - at best).
> Self-Assessment TOOL is really a joke...
> For example, ONE can live/work in USA for ages (if not always)
> and still get "0" points for adaptability in Canada ?
> This is not even funny!
> The assessment SYSTEM is really stiff and inaccurate.
> I remember it was more flexible before
> (it used a different estimatation of work experience and
> profession-based points as well)...
> Is this "tool" somebody really relies upon ?
> Is there a better way to evaluate chances (count points) other than this
> primitive form on web-site?
> I'd be very grateful to hear suggestions!
> Thanks.
> Having doubts,
> "Crest-Fallen"
Jan 21st 2003, 7:58 pm
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Mr. Miller wrote:
"One could even argue (and this may be seemed as stretching) that someone who is in US for many years on H
visa and didn't get yet a Green Card has rather limited abilities to adapt to and succeed in Canada as well..."
Wow
I belive that most of the people, who know about the H-GC transfers in the USA works and possible pitfalls, are laughing on this statement. There are a lot of personal and work related reasons why there is absolutly no coorelation.
"One could even argue (and this may be seemed as stretching) that someone who is in US for many years on H
visa and didn't get yet a Green Card has rather limited abilities to adapt to and succeed in Canada as well..."
Wow
I belive that most of the people, who know about the H-GC transfers in the USA works and possible pitfalls, are laughing on this statement. There are a lot of personal and work related reasons why there is absolutly no coorelation.
Jan 21st 2003, 8:23 pm
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Mr. Miller wrote:
"One could even argue (and this may be seemed as stretching) that someone who is in US for many years on H
visa and didn't get yet a Green Card has rather limited abilities to adapt to and succeed in Canada as well..."
Wow
I belive that most of the people, who know about the H-GC transfers in the USA works and possible pitfalls, are laughing on this statement. There are a lot of personal and work related reasons why there is absolutly no coorelation.
"One could even argue (and this may be seemed as stretching) that someone who is in US for many years on H
visa and didn't get yet a Green Card has rather limited abilities to adapt to and succeed in Canada as well..."
Wow
I belive that most of the people, who know about the H-GC transfers in the USA works and possible pitfalls, are laughing on this statement. There are a lot of personal and work related reasons why there is absolutly no coorelation.
Jan 21st 2003, 10:13 pm
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Re: SELF-ASSESSMENT TOOL [www.cic.gc.ca] is something to rely on ???
This is why I wrote clearly that it "may be seemed as stretching".
You cannot just take this single statement out of the context of the entire
post as it was used as a "stretched" example to contradict original poster's
argument that one should be rewarded for having US living and work
experience. So, please take it together with the entire post and original
post as well.
--
../..
Andrew Miller
Immigration Consultant
Vancouver, British Columbia
email: [email protected]
(delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
For confidential phone consultation go here:
http://members.yahoo.liveadvice.com/andrewmiller_canada
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"Canadius" wrote in message
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> Mr. Miller wrote:
> "One could even argue (and this may be seemed as stretching) that
> someone who is in US for many years on H
> visa and didn't get yet a Green Card has rather limited abilities to
> adapt to and succeed in Canada as well..."
> Wow
> I belive that most of the people, who know about the H-GC transfers in
> the USA works and possible pitfalls, are laughing on this statement.
> There are a lot of personal and work related reasons why there is
> absolutly no coorelation.
> --
> Posted via http://britishexpats.com
You cannot just take this single statement out of the context of the entire
post as it was used as a "stretched" example to contradict original poster's
argument that one should be rewarded for having US living and work
experience. So, please take it together with the entire post and original
post as well.
--
../..
Andrew Miller
Immigration Consultant
Vancouver, British Columbia
email: [email protected]
(delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
For confidential phone consultation go here:
http://members.yahoo.liveadvice.com/andrewmiller_canada
________________________________
"Canadius" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Mr. Miller wrote:
> "One could even argue (and this may be seemed as stretching) that
> someone who is in US for many years on H
> visa and didn't get yet a Green Card has rather limited abilities to
> adapt to and succeed in Canada as well..."
> Wow
> I belive that most of the people, who know about the H-GC transfers in
> the USA works and possible pitfalls, are laughing on this statement.
> There are a lot of personal and work related reasons why there is
> absolutly no coorelation.
> --
> Posted via http://britishexpats.com
Jan 21st 2003, 11:55 pm
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I don't object if you are not in favor of this sentance, per se. It could be misunderstanding, or wrong choice of words.
No problemo
This digression is off the topic, anyway.
Gracias.
No problemo
This digression is off the topic, anyway.
Gracias.
Jan 23rd 2003, 10:51 am
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Re: SELF-ASSESSMENT TOOL [www.cic.gc.ca] is something to rely on ???
CrestFallen wrote:
> "Arranged employment" is a myth.
No. It is not.
I got my brother an interview at the company I worked at in
Mississauga in 1997 and they agreed to hire him provided the
processing of the visa took less than 3 months. In the end it took 5
months but they hired him anyway.
It certainly is not a myth although it probably is not too common.
> Possibility of "arranging" any REAL employment actually equals ZERO.
I'm afraid you are wrong.
> Unless one has very deft relatives in a place of prospective employment.
Or friends at a company. That's the way it works almost everywhere,
quite frankly.
> The situation looks quite gloomy.
>
It will improve in a couple of years. It's been gloomy since mid 2000.
I don't see it lasting past this year. After that it's up to you.
> "Arranged employment" is a myth.
No. It is not.
I got my brother an interview at the company I worked at in
Mississauga in 1997 and they agreed to hire him provided the
processing of the visa took less than 3 months. In the end it took 5
months but they hired him anyway.
It certainly is not a myth although it probably is not too common.
> Possibility of "arranging" any REAL employment actually equals ZERO.
I'm afraid you are wrong.
> Unless one has very deft relatives in a place of prospective employment.
Or friends at a company. That's the way it works almost everywhere,
quite frankly.
> The situation looks quite gloomy.
>
It will improve in a couple of years. It's been gloomy since mid 2000.
I don't see it lasting past this year. After that it's up to you.
