Karen Gordon

"Andrew Miller" ([email protected]) writes:
    > You must be kidding...
    >
    > What authority any phone book has? None. Not all businesses are listed in
    > the phone book - only those who want to be listed there and pay for such
    > listing. I don't want and don't need it - 99.9% of my clients are abroad and
    > they don't look through Vancouver's phone book. What makes you think that
    > business not listed in phone book doesn't exist or is less worthy than those
    > listed there? Every business has it's own business model, some need to
    > advertise locally, especially when their market is local. I don't need to do
    > it as I don't work on local market. Immigrants who seek my assistance are
    > abroad, not in Vancouver. Simple.

(K): Not so 'simple', actually. If you had a business licence to operate
as an "immigration consultant", you would certainly want to be listed in the
phone book of the city in which you are operating. Many people who might
be thinking of immigrating to Canada could then check out your business
address - from the phone book - and also check with the Better Business
Bureau to see if you've had any public complaints laid against you for past
business dealings. THAT would be the ethical way to operate a business.

"Andrew Miller" ([email protected]) writes:
    > What charging fees for service has to do with phone book listing?!!! Of
    > course that I charge fees for my service and do it for past 13+ years. Have
    > proper business license and pay taxes. And completed all what had to be
    > completed up to date in relation to registration with CSIC, including
    > passing the exam and providing police clearances. And all of that is none of
    > your business anyway. If you want to hire me then I'll show you my
    > credentials - if not then please buzz off...

(K): Your English isn't too good, Mr "Miller"..... so I suspect that that
is a phony name as well. If you have a business licence, you would not be
saving a few dollars to not list in the local phone book and give yourself
some credibility as an "immigration consultant".

"Andrew Miller" ([email protected]) writes:
    > Embarrassing questions? Embarrassing to whom? Looks like it is you who is
    > making not so good impression of yourself here...

(K): Maybe not. But I sure as hell wouldn't be dealing with anyone who
calls himself an 'immigration consultant' but doesn't even have an office
address or local phone number in the city from which he operates.

Would you mind telling us what name you plan to operate under in 2 weeks
time, when the Canadian Immigration department will require you to be
registered with the new - and regulated - organization for Immigration
Consultants? Will you have an address and a telephone number then, "Mr
Miller"?

    > Andrew Miller
    > Immigration Consultant
    > Vancouver, British Columbia
    > email: [email protected]
    > (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)



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    >
    > "Karen Gordon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >> >> (K): I think I may be 'right' about one very important thing, though,
    >> >> "Andrew Miller".....
    >> >>
    >> >> You are not listed under Immigration Consultants in Vancouver, BC, as
    >> >> is indicated in your signature. Why is that?
    >> "Andrew Miller" ([email protected]) writes:
    >> > Not listed where?!!!!!!!
    >> (K): Uh.... in the yellow or white pages under 'Immigration Consultant'.
    >> "Andrew Miller" ([email protected]) writes:
    >> > The only institution regulating immigration consultants is CSIC and as
    > you
    >> > can read your own posts the regulations come into place in April. There
    > are
    >> > no members of CSIC listed anywhere yet, period. Check with CSIC website
    > to
    >> > find out:
    >> > Thus I am not yet listed on CSIC website as nobody is.
    >> (K): Didn't say anything about CSIC in my message. I asked why your
    > weren't
    >> even listed in the PHONE BOOK under 'Immigration Consultants'. Hundreds
    > are;
    >> why aren't you?
    >> "Andrew Miller" ([email protected]) writes:
    >> > If you are looking on various private Internet websites listing
    > consultants
    >> > who pay fee to be listed there then you won't find me there as I am not
    >> > paying anyone to be "listed under Immigration Consultants in Vancouver,
    > BC"
    >> (K): So, you're not taking any fees to be an 'immigration consultant'
    > then?
    >> "Andrew Miller" ([email protected]) writes:
    >> > And please take your insults and/or insinuations somewhere else - you
    > have
    >> > just proven again that you are either a novice here who doesn't even
    > want to
    >> > learn or you are another incarnation of that troll aikido...
    >> (K): Just a simple question elicited all that wrath? Just wondering why
    >> someone who calls himself an 'immigration consultant' isn't listed as such
    >> in the phone book of the city in which he supposedly works.
    >> What makes a person a 'non-novice' to these newsgroups? Someone who
    > doesn't
    >> ask embarassing questions, "Mr Miller"?
    >> > Andrew Miller
    >> > Immigration Consultant
    >> > Vancouver, British Columbia
    >> > email: [email protected]
    >> > (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
    >> > ________________________________

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Did you check with BBB if there are complaints against Andrew?

Did you check with City of Vancouver Licensing Department to see if he
has a business license to operate an immigration consulting business
in Vancouver?

Did you check with CSIC if he qualifies to and started registration
process and pass all exams?

Did you check with CIC if they have any bad record of him representing
his clients?

I guess not - SO GET A HECK OUT OF HERE YOU STUPID TROLL!!!


On 15 Mar 2004 23:23:27 GMT, [email protected] (Karen Gordon)
wrote:

    >"Andrew Miller" ([email protected]) writes:
    >> You must be kidding...
    >>
    >> What authority any phone book has? None. Not all businesses are listed in
    >> the phone book - only those who want to be listed there and pay for such
    >> listing. I don't want and don't need it - 99.9% of my clients are abroad and
    >> they don't look through Vancouver's phone book. What makes you think that
    >> business not listed in phone book doesn't exist or is less worthy than those
    >> listed there? Every business has it's own business model, some need to
    >> advertise locally, especially when their market is local. I don't need to do
    >> it as I don't work on local market. Immigrants who seek my assistance are
    >> abroad, not in Vancouver. Simple.
    >(K): Not so 'simple', actually. If you had a business licence to operate
    >as an "immigration consultant", you would certainly want to be listed in the
    >phone book of the city in which you are operating. Many people who might
    >be thinking of immigrating to Canada could then check out your business
    >address - from the phone book - and also check with the Better Business
    >Bureau to see if you've had any public complaints laid against you for past
    >business dealings. THAT would be the ethical way to operate a business.
    >"Andrew Miller" ([email protected]) writes:
    >> What charging fees for service has to do with phone book listing?!!! Of
    >> course that I charge fees for my service and do it for past 13+ years. Have
    >> proper business license and pay taxes. And completed all what had to be
    >> completed up to date in relation to registration with CSIC, including
    >> passing the exam and providing police clearances. And all of that is none of
    >> your business anyway. If you want to hire me then I'll show you my
    >> credentials - if not then please buzz off...
    >(K): Your English isn't too good, Mr "Miller"..... so I suspect that that
    >is a phony name as well. If you have a business licence, you would not be
    >saving a few dollars to not list in the local phone book and give yourself
    >some credibility as an "immigration consultant".
    >"Andrew Miller" ([email protected]) writes:
    >> Embarrassing questions? Embarrassing to whom? Looks like it is you who is
    >> making not so good impression of yourself here...
    >(K): Maybe not. But I sure as hell wouldn't be dealing with anyone who
    >calls himself an 'immigration consultant' but doesn't even have an office
    >address or local phone number in the city from which he operates.
    >Would you mind telling us what name you plan to operate under in 2 weeks
    >time, when the Canadian Immigration department will require you to be
    >registered with the new - and regulated - organization for Immigration
    >Consultants? Will you have an address and a telephone number then, "Mr
    >Miller"?
    >> Andrew Miller
    >> Immigration Consultant
    >> Vancouver, British Columbia
    >> email: [email protected]
    >> (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
    > ________________________________
    >>
    >> "Karen Gordon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >>> >> (K): I think I may be 'right' about one very important thing, though,
    >>> >> "Andrew Miller".....
    >>> >>
    >>> >> You are not listed under Immigration Consultants in Vancouver, BC, as
    >>> >> is indicated in your signature. Why is that?
    >>> "Andrew Miller" ([email protected]) writes:
    >>> > Not listed where?!!!!!!!
    >>> (K): Uh.... in the yellow or white pages under 'Immigration Consultant'.
    >>> "Andrew Miller" ([email protected]) writes:
    >>> > The only institution regulating immigration consultants is CSIC and as
    >> you
    >>> > can read your own posts the regulations come into place in April. There
    >> are
    >>> > no members of CSIC listed anywhere yet, period. Check with CSIC website
    >> to
    >>> > find out:
    >>> > Thus I am not yet listed on CSIC website as nobody is.
    >>> (K): Didn't say anything about CSIC in my message. I asked why your
    >> weren't
    >>> even listed in the PHONE BOOK under 'Immigration Consultants'. Hundreds
    >> are;
    >>> why aren't you?
    >>> "Andrew Miller" ([email protected]) writes:
    >>> > If you are looking on various private Internet websites listing
    >> consultants
    >>> > who pay fee to be listed there then you won't find me there as I am not
    >>> > paying anyone to be "listed under Immigration Consultants in Vancouver,
    >> BC"
    >>> (K): So, you're not taking any fees to be an 'immigration consultant'
    >> then?
    >>> "Andrew Miller" ([email protected]) writes:
    >>> > And please take your insults and/or insinuations somewhere else - you
    >> have
    >>> > just proven again that you are either a novice here who doesn't even
    >> want to
    >>> > learn or you are another incarnation of that troll aikido...
    >>> (K): Just a simple question elicited all that wrath? Just wondering why
    >>> someone who calls himself an 'immigration consultant' isn't listed as such
    >>> in the phone book of the city in which he supposedly works.
    >>> What makes a person a 'non-novice' to these newsgroups? Someone who
    >> doesn't
    >>> ask embarassing questions, "Mr Miller"?
    >>> > Andrew Miller
    >>> > Immigration Consultant
    >>> > Vancouver, British Columbia
    >>> > email: [email protected]
    >>> > (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
    >>> > ________________________________

iaink

Karen, I must say it is refreshing to have someone so totally ignorant post something here, most of the folks here actually try to learn something before posting

Andrew took the trouble to answer your Spam, and still you are brainlessly trotting out the same crap. Phone book listing has nothing to do with business license, if everyone advertised in the YP, why do you they spend so much time and energy trying to get more businesses to advertise there....think about it for a second eh!

Once people decide they want to hire AM, they can still go to any of the agencies you mention, as well as the CSIC to check his authenticity, Still no need to be in the book. As most of his clients are overseas why on earth waste money on a totally unnecessary YP listing.

As for his real name, well if I was on a forum like this with idiots like you out there, I would probably consider not using a real name, but as he has posted here for many years under the same ID, unlike Aikido, NorthernLights, Helper etc, I see no reason to doubt his ID, by the way, who are you, what do you do for a living, and is "Karen Gordon" your real name??

Nice touch to comment on anyones English here....its a net forum, there are typing shortcuts, typos, rushed messages...you know nothing at all about anyones english ability based on what shows up in this forum...after all we all think you are stupid, based on your posts, but it doesnt make it true!

Of course he has an office and phone number, and if you wish to retain his services for a fee, I am sure he would be happy to divulge them, but while there are idiots like you out there, why on earth would anyone reveal them on a public forum.

Andrew is certainly right about one thing...he is not the one being embarrased here.

Iain

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in a recent article, Karen Gordon ([email protected]) said:

    > and also check with the Better Business
    > Bureau to see if you've had any public complaints laid against you for past
    > business dealings.

BBB charges $10 to lodge a complaint about non-member companies, so most
people with a complaint wouldn't bother filing with the BBB. Furthermore,
to be a member, you have to pay a fee. It certainly isn't a guarantee of a
good company. What next? If they don't have an internet presence, they
mustn't be an 'ethical' company either?

    >THAT would be the ethical way to operate a business.
There are plenty of unethical businesses that have listings in the
yellow pages - and that are members of the BBB. I have personally dealt
with a couple of companies that certainly have acted in an unethical manner,
yet they have a 'satisfactory' status with the BBB.

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