Karen Gordon

"Robert" ([email protected]) writes:
    > <Karens crap snipped>
    >
    > SO c'mon girl tell us where this list is that you are harping on about so
    > much !
    > Oh thats it its not avaialable just yet is it ! DUH
    >
    > Apart from your "REPEATED CUT AND PASTE" posts show us what you know about
    > immigration from personal experience or dealing with the subject first hand
    > like Andrew, James, and many others in here.

(K): Easy to 'hit a nerve' when it comes to challenging so-called 'experts'
on immigration. Canada has a FREE WEBSITE to answer ALL of the questions
being asked here of so-called 'immigration consultants'. These are the same
'immigration consultants' who have done so much swindling of clients for a
fee that Canada has had to institute a regulation body to control them.

In 2 weeks time, if any so-called 'immigration consultant' is NOT
registered with the new CANADIAN SOCIETY FOR IMMIGRATION CONSULTANTS, you
need not bother spending your money on getting his advice; you will not be
recognized as being represented by a professional. In fact, the opposite
may well be true: your application will be slowed due to the fact that you
are using a non-recognized person to process your application.


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If you can remain calm, you just don't have all the facts
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Watcher

You are so stupid that you don't even check facts before posting your
crap. Nothing will be slowed down if application is submitted by
un-registered consultant - application will be simply mailed back to
applicant with explanation that consultant is not registered.


On 16 Mar 2004 01:23:42 GMT, [email protected] (Karen Gordon)
wrote:

    >"Robert" ([email protected]) writes:
    >> <Karens crap snipped>
    >>
    >> SO c'mon girl tell us where this list is that you are harping on about so
    >> much !
    >> Oh thats it its not avaialable just yet is it ! DUH
    >>
    >> Apart from your "REPEATED CUT AND PASTE" posts show us what you know about
    >> immigration from personal experience or dealing with the subject first hand
    >> like Andrew, James, and many others in here.
    >(K): Easy to 'hit a nerve' when it comes to challenging so-called 'experts'
    >on immigration. Canada has a FREE WEBSITE to answer ALL of the questions
    >being asked here of so-called 'immigration consultants'. These are the same
    >'immigration consultants' who have done so much swindling of clients for a
    >fee that Canada has had to institute a regulation body to control them.
    >In 2 weeks time, if any so-called 'immigration consultant' is NOT
    >registered with the new CANADIAN SOCIETY FOR IMMIGRATION CONSULTANTS, you
    >need not bother spending your money on getting his advice; you will not be
    >recognized as being represented by a professional. In fact, the opposite
    >may well be true: your application will be slowed due to the fact that you
    >are using a non-recognized person to process your application.

AlmostBob

I've been to the web site, everybody has been to the website.

I ask here for intelligent answers because the web site is so badly written,
couched in such general terms that it answers nothing. From the usual
'so-called 'experts'', yourself not included, I get answers that assist, even
personal answers outside of the newsgroup, by email, and telephone, and
without charge.

Who was the last person you helped? Can you answer what the CIC positon on the
Hague Convention in un-ratified countries is?

That there are immigration consultants shows that the website isnt enough.
That there are bad immigration consultants indicates that there must be good
ones, something to compare, show just how bad they are, no black without
white. Those that you are sniffing around annoying are the standard by which
the bad can be judged.

That a government report suggests changes isnt unusual, but remember they are
the ones that insulated the schools with asbestos, released thalidomide as a
treatment for pregnant women, even if the report is correct, it wont be all
that correct, and the report suggested only some immigration consultants, not
all.

That you get so many replies to your inane posts should tell you something, it
should tell you

Back off girl

--
Ever wonder why Evian water is $3 for a half litre
Try spelling evian backwards
_
"Karen Gordon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    | "Robert" ([email protected]) writes:
    | > <Karens crap snipped>
    | >
    | > SO c'mon girl tell us where this list is that you are harping on about so
    | > much !
    | > Oh thats it its not avaialable just yet is it ! DUH
    | >
    | > Apart from your "REPEATED CUT AND PASTE" posts show us what you know about
    | > immigration from personal experience or dealing with the subject first
hand
    | > like Andrew, James, and many others in here.
    |
    | (K): Easy to 'hit a nerve' when it comes to challenging so-called 'experts'
    | on immigration. Canada has a FREE WEBSITE to answer ALL of the questions
    | being asked here of so-called 'immigration consultants'. These are the same
    | 'immigration consultants' who have done so much swindling of clients for a
    | fee that Canada has had to institute a regulation body to control them.
    |
    | In 2 weeks time, if any so-called 'immigration consultant' is NOT
    | registered with the new CANADIAN SOCIETY FOR IMMIGRATION CONSULTANTS, you
    | need not bother spending your money on getting his advice; you will not be
    | recognized as being represented by a professional. In fact, the opposite
    | may well be true: your application will be slowed due to the fact that you
    | are using a non-recognized person to process your application.
    |
    |
    | --
    | """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" """""""
    | If you can remain calm, you just don't have all the facts
    | """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" """""""

iaink

Karen, you know nothing about immigration, so please just shut up. The website is good for somethings, but there are so many things it does not have answers for it is just not funny. Laso a lot of the detail is in the interpretation of the Act, which the cic website says nothing about, which is where an experienced consultants can make a big difference.

If you bothered to check you would find out that AM was among the first people here to mention the need for registration, which doesnt strike me as the action of an unethical swindler

If it were not for good folks like AM, JM and others, the level of ignorance here would be almost as high as your own.

Iain

Karen Gordon

    >> (K): Easy to 'hit a nerve' when it comes to challenging so-called 'experts'
    >> on immigration. Canada has a FREE WEBSITE to answer ALL of the questions
    >> being asked here of so-called 'immigration consultants'. These are the same
    >> 'immigration consultants' who have done so much swindling of clients for a
    >> fee that Canada has had to institute a regulation body to control them.
    >>
    >> In 2 weeks time, if any so-called 'immigration consultant' is NOT
    >> registered with the new CANADIAN SOCIETY FOR IMMIGRATION CONSULTANTS, you
    >> need not bother spending your money on getting his advice; you will not be
    >> recognized as being represented by a professional. In fact, the opposite
    >> may well be true: your application will be slowed due to the fact that you
    >> are using a non-recognized person to process your application.

iaink (member16059@british_expats.com) writes:
    > Karen, you know nothing about immigration, so please just shut up.
    > The website is good for somethings, but there are so many things it does
    > not have answers for it is just not funny. Laso a lot of the detail is
    > in the interpretation of the Act, which the cic website says nothing
    > about, which is where an experienced consultants can make a big
    > difference.

(K): Well, well..... still another posting from 'british_expats.com' !
Do all of you "Andrew Miller" supporters coincidentally have an account
at this site?

'Experienced consultants' is a term that is about to go into the garbage
bin. What will replace it is: REGISTERED WITH CANADA IMMIGRATION
'experienced consultants'. Also known as a consultant you will find under
Canadian Society of Immigration Consultants (CSIC). If he's not registered
there - under his real name - you won't be calling him an "Immigration
Consultant" anymore, will you?

iaink (member16059@british_expats.com) writes:
    > If you bothered to check you would find out that AM was
    > among the first people here to mention the need for registration, which
    > doesnt strike me as the action of an unethical swindler

(K): Good for him. Where he might not have felt a few hundred dollars
was a worthwhile expenditure to list his name and address in the phone
directory of the city in which he is 'working', he will be immensely
pleased to pay the over-a-thousand-dollar fee to be properly screened and
registered with CSIC, won't he?

iaink (member16059@british_expats.com) writes:
    > If it were not
    > for good folks like AM, JM and others, the level of ignorance here would
    > be almost as high as your own.
    > Iain

(K): Nice try..... Your "good folk", Andrew Miller, will just have to
prove how "good folk" he is to more than just the readers of this newsgroup.
He will now have to prove it to the government of Canada.
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If you can remain calm, you just don't have all the facts
"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" """""""

Watcher

Why are you so stupid again? Why are you accusing Andrew of something
he didn't do? Why are you not waiting to see if he has paid the fee
(which BTW will be about 2,500 per annum), passed exams and was
accepted as CSIC member? Why? Because the moment we all see his name
on CSIC website you will have nothing to accuse him of - it is very
easy to be a coward hiding behind a screen name and accusing Andrew of
not using his real name.

I asked you earlier - did you check with City of Vancouver if they
issued a business license to Andrew Miller? Did you check with CSIC if
he registered and pass exams?

No, you didn't. So get a f**k out of here!!!

On 16 Mar 2004 03:00:19 GMT, [email protected] (Karen Gordon)
wrote:

    >>> (K): Easy to 'hit a nerve' when it comes to challenging so-called 'experts'
    >>> on immigration. Canada has a FREE WEBSITE to answer ALL of the questions
    >>> being asked here of so-called 'immigration consultants'. These are the same
    >>> 'immigration consultants' who have done so much swindling of clients for a
    >>> fee that Canada has had to institute a regulation body to control them.
    >>>
    >>> In 2 weeks time, if any so-called 'immigration consultant' is NOT
    >>> registered with the new CANADIAN SOCIETY FOR IMMIGRATION CONSULTANTS, you
    >>> need not bother spending your money on getting his advice; you will not be
    >>> recognized as being represented by a professional. In fact, the opposite
    >>> may well be true: your application will be slowed due to the fact that you
    >>> are using a non-recognized person to process your application.
    >
    >iaink (member16059@british_expats.com) writes:
    >> Karen, you know nothing about immigration, so please just shut up.
    >> The website is good for somethings, but there are so many things it does
    >> not have answers for it is just not funny. Laso a lot of the detail is
    >> in the interpretation of the Act, which the cic website says nothing
    >> about, which is where an experienced consultants can make a big
    >> difference.
    >(K): Well, well..... still another posting from 'british_expats.com' !
    >Do all of you "Andrew Miller" supporters coincidentally have an account
    >at this site?
    >'Experienced consultants' is a term that is about to go into the garbage
    >bin. What will replace it is: REGISTERED WITH CANADA IMMIGRATION
    >'experienced consultants'. Also known as a consultant you will find under
    >Canadian Society of Immigration Consultants (CSIC). If he's not registered
    >there - under his real name - you won't be calling him an "Immigration
    >Consultant" anymore, will you?
    >iaink (member16059@british_expats.com) writes:
    >> If you bothered to check you would find out that AM was
    >> among the first people here to mention the need for registration, which
    >> doesnt strike me as the action of an unethical swindler
    >(K): Good for him. Where he might not have felt a few hundred dollars
    >was a worthwhile expenditure to list his name and address in the phone
    >directory of the city in which he is 'working', he will be immensely
    >pleased to pay the over-a-thousand-dollar fee to be properly screened and
    >registered with CSIC, won't he?
    >iaink (member16059@british_expats.com) writes:
    >> If it were not
    >> for good folks like AM, JM and others, the level of ignorance here would
    >> be almost as high as your own.
    >> Iain
    >(K): Nice try..... Your "good folk", Andrew Miller, will just have to
    >prove how "good folk" he is to more than just the readers of this newsgroup.
    >He will now have to prove it to the government of Canada.

Karen Gordon

"Dick Turpin" ([email protected]) writes:
    > The so-called Karen Gordon who speak so much about "embarrasing questions"
    > is yet to answer even one question about herself/himself.
    > I had posted 3 questions for her couple days back and she conveniently
    > ignored it.
    > Surprise, surprise !

(K): I'm not passing myself off as an "immigration consultant" on these
forums, am I?
But sure am looking forward to seeing the listed name of "Andrew Miller"
on the legitimate list of immigration consultants being drawn up by the
Canadian government. If he's not there, there are going to be a whole lot
of very angry people who may have paid money to someone calling himself an
'immigration consultant' for a fee, and then not surfacing on the list of
registered consultants, don't you think?
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If you can remain calm, you just don't have all the facts
"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" """""""

Fat

Hi Karen

I still failed to understand what is your actual motive? Do you have any
ax against Andrew Miller?

If you are talking about possibility of fake or unregulated immigration
consultants in general term then, please do it without using someone's
name. That would do better for your credibility also.

Anyway despite all sort of warnings there are peoples who would still
like to do business with so called unregistered consultants as long as
they have confidence in the person.

I do not mind to do business with Andrew even if he is not registered,
as long as I have confidence in him.

In that case he might not be able to directly represent me with CIC but
that would not make any difference as CIC, as he could assist me to take
care things myself.

Moreover CIC would not give any priority to any application processed
through registered consultants.

I am really interesting to know your actual motive against Andrew, I am
sure it is nothing to do with you civic responsibility but some sort of
hate if this nice and helpful person.

Best regards.



    >
    > (K): I'm not passing myself off as an "immigration consultant" on these
    > forums, am I?
    > But sure am looking forward to seeing the listed name of "Andrew Miller"
    > on the legitimate list of immigration consultants being drawn up by the
    > Canadian government. If he's not there, there are going to be a whole lot
    > of very angry people who may have paid money to someone calling himself an
    > 'immigration consultant' for a fee, and then not surfacing on the list of
    > registered consultants, don't you think?
    > --
    > """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" """""""
    > If you can remain calm, you just don't have all the facts
    > """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" """""""

Ashok

Yes people will be angry, maybe those who paid.

Maybe not ??? In case they find him with the same name on CSIC list, with which they signed a contract with him.

Let us wait for CSIC list. It seems , right now you are persuing AM with a prophetic zeal, that is why you are meeting resistance.

Members/ visitors on this forum see AM as great resource, so they appreciate him.

regarding your Yellow pages observation, i personally differ.
In India I have just 21 clients, with whom i deal on behalf of US MNC. Myself and my MNC is not on Yellow pages as I do not want ignorant people to start calling me , by visiting Yellow pages.

Every one has his/her own bussiness model. You can not pick holes.

Andrew Miller

But you are falsely accusing me publicly of "passing myself off" as an
immigration consultant, not being one.
And you are falsely accusing me of not using here my real name.
And you are insinuating that I will not be a member of CSIC once membership
is finally established - you are doing so by conveniently omitting the fact
that I have acknowledged in this forum that I have already fulfilled all up
to date imposed by CSIC requirements (including initial registration,
providing police certificates and successfully passing exam).

Those are unfounded and libelous accusations - I strongly suggest you
find out what libel is and what consequences you may be facing. I have
nothing to hide from people who don't hide behind anonymous posts, I am
always using my real, legal name in this forum and I provide my real email
contact information. You are not. You are simply a coward, just a troll
looking for some cheap thrill by attacking people who you don't even know.
And doing it anonymously (so you think...) by using fake name of "Karen
Gordon".

I always provide all my contact information, including business address,
phone and fax numbers as well as my real email addresses, to all who contact
me directly. But I also reserve my right not to reply to anonymous emails
signed using fake names.

And now you are suggesting openly in this public forum that I am not a
legitimate immigration practitioner? That I am not using my real name? You
better find yourself a good lawyer. And it is not a suggestion anymore...

And I have already suggested you to contact me directly if you want to check
upon my credentials. You conveniently and cowardly decided not to do so -
instead you continue personal, libelous attacks.

And obviously you didn't check anything with CSIC either - my CSIC
identification number is 0610 and was issued on January 23, 2003, the very
first day CSIC finally started accepting applications to register.

You are a coward. It is not a crime though...

But libel costs a lot nowadays my dear and you are about to find it out.
Have a nice day.

--

../..

Andrew Miller
Immigration Consultant
Vancouver, British Columbia
email: [email protected]
(delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
________________________________


"Karen Gordon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > "Dick Turpin" ([email protected]) writes:
    > > The so-called Karen Gordon who speak so much about "embarrasing
questions"
    > > is yet to answer even one question about herself/himself.
    > > I had posted 3 questions for her couple days back and she conveniently
    > > ignored it.
    > > Surprise, surprise !
    > (K): I'm not passing myself off as an "immigration consultant" on these
    > forums, am I?
    > But sure am looking forward to seeing the listed name of "Andrew Miller"
    > on the legitimate list of immigration consultants being drawn up by the
    > Canadian government. If he's not there, there are going to be a whole lot
    > of very angry people who may have paid money to someone calling himself an
    > 'immigration consultant' for a fee, and then not surfacing on the list of
    > registered consultants, don't you think?
    > --
    > """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" """""""
    > If you can remain calm, you just don't have all the facts
    > """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" """""""

Andrew Miller

Oops... Sorry for the typo.

Should be January 23, 2004 - not 2003.

--

../..

Andrew Miller
Immigration Consultant
Vancouver, British Columbia
email: [email protected]
(delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
________________________________


"Andrew Miller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:Kwb6c.199788$A12.113780@edtnps84...
    > But you are falsely accusing me publicly of "passing myself off" as an
    > immigration consultant, not being one.
    > And you are falsely accusing me of not using here my real name.
    > And you are insinuating that I will not be a member of CSIC once
membership
    > is finally established - you are doing so by conveniently omitting the
fact
    > that I have acknowledged in this forum that I have already fulfilled all
up
    > to date imposed by CSIC requirements (including initial registration,
    > providing police certificates and successfully passing exam).
    > Those are unfounded and libelous accusations - I strongly suggest you
    > find out what libel is and what consequences you may be facing. I have
    > nothing to hide from people who don't hide behind anonymous posts, I am
    > always using my real, legal name in this forum and I provide my real email
    > contact information. You are not. You are simply a coward, just a troll
    > looking for some cheap thrill by attacking people who you don't even know.
    > And doing it anonymously (so you think...) by using fake name of "Karen
    > Gordon".
    > I always provide all my contact information, including business address,
    > phone and fax numbers as well as my real email addresses, to all who
contact
    > me directly. But I also reserve my right not to reply to anonymous emails
    > signed using fake names.
    > And now you are suggesting openly in this public forum that I am not a
    > legitimate immigration practitioner? That I am not using my real name? You
    > better find yourself a good lawyer. And it is not a suggestion anymore...
    > And I have already suggested you to contact me directly if you want to
check
    > upon my credentials. You conveniently and cowardly decided not to do so -
    > instead you continue personal, libelous attacks.
    > And obviously you didn't check anything with CSIC either - my CSIC
    > identification number is 0610 and was issued on January 23, 2003, the very
    > first day CSIC finally started accepting applications to register.
    > You are a coward. It is not a crime though...
    > But libel costs a lot nowadays my dear and you are about to find it out.
    > Have a nice day.
    > --
    > ../..
    > Andrew Miller
    > Immigration Consultant
    > Vancouver, British Columbia
    > email: [email protected]
    > (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
    > ________________________________
    > "Karen Gordon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > "Dick Turpin" ([email protected]) writes:
    > > > The so-called Karen Gordon who speak so much about "embarrasing
    > questions"
    > > > is yet to answer even one question about herself/himself.
    > > > I had posted 3 questions for her couple days back and she conveniently
    > > > ignored it.
    > > > Surprise, surprise !
    > >
    > > (K): I'm not passing myself off as an "immigration consultant" on these
    > > forums, am I?
    > > But sure am looking forward to seeing the listed name of "Andrew Miller"
    > > on the legitimate list of immigration consultants being drawn up by the
    > > Canadian government. If he's not there, there are going to be a whole
lot
    > > of very angry people who may have paid money to someone calling himself
an
    > > 'immigration consultant' for a fee, and then not surfacing on the list
of
    > > registered consultants, don't you think?
    > > --
    > > """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" """""""
    > > If you can remain calm, you just don't have all the facts
    > > """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" """""""

Ashok

Honourable Karen Gordon

I hope you read AM's reply.Now you have very little choice.

He has given his CSIC identification number. Better check it out and tell us what you got. Obviously we do not have resources to check so we wait till 1st April.

Than Either put up or shut up.

In any case it will be better if you identify yourself on these web pages ( we don't need BC Yellow pages) and stop this proxy war/sniper attack.

Bhaskar

"Andrew Miller" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<HGb6c.199793$A12.175506@edtnps84>...
    > Oops... Sorry for the typo.
    >
    > Should be January 23, 2004 - not 2003.
    >
    > --
    >
    > ../..
    >
    > Andrew Miller
    > Immigration Consultant
    > Vancouver, British Columbia
    > email: [email protected]
    > (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
    > ________________________________


I could not find the list of provisional members at
http://www.csic-scci.ca/

where is the list....doesnt csic put some kind of member list for
public viewing

Leslie Lakos

Patience Bhaskar, the CSIC-exams are still taking place at various sites.
Many took it in February, (including A.M. and me...) others opted for March.
The latter ones will write it on this weekend or on Monday.
It wouldn't be fair to display the names of those who have already taken it
vs. the ones who have not yet. Once the exam period is over, CSIC will take
the appropriate steps to put the names up.
--
Leslie Lakos - Certified Immigration Practitioner
Tel: 416 876-6072
Fax: 416 489-5244
email: [email protected]
"Bhaskar" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > "Andrew Miller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:<HGb6c.199793$A12.175506@edtnps84>...
    > > Oops... Sorry for the typo.
    > >
    > > Should be January 23, 2004 - not 2003.
    > >
    > > --
    > >
    > > ../..
    > >
    > > Andrew Miller
    > > Immigration Consultant
    > > Vancouver, British Columbia
    > > email: [email protected]
    > > (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
    > > ________________________________
    > I could not find the list of provisional members at
    > http://www.csic-scci.ca/
    > where is the list....doesnt csic put some kind of member list for
    > public viewing

Dick Turpin

You have made your point about all immigration consultants being certified
by CSIC.
We'll hear ya loud and clear.

The issue with you, however, is that you are picking on *one* particular
person.
There are several other immigration consultants on this group, yet your ire
is directed only towards one person.
That, to me, screams personal vendetta.
And you are simply using this public forum as a means of expressing that
ire - you are highjacking the normal activity on this forum to serve your
own personal ends.
Which is why I suggested earlier that you settle your issues with Andrew
Miller separately - using private email and/or phone.

Secondly, you know pretty darn well that the CSIC is yet to publish its list
of members.
Why don't you wait a few weeks for the annoucement of the member list?

We all know around here that all ICs will need to be registered with the
CSIC after a certain date.
If Mr. Miller (or whoever) doesn't make that list, yet continues to claim
that they are a certified immigration consultant, THEN perhaps you can take
up this cause and fight for the rights of the poor immigrants.

But until then, you are simply disrupting normal activity.

We all know about the requirements of the CSIC and all latest news from
CIC - you don't have to keep posting the same thing hundreds of time every
day under every thread.
You are clearly trying to highjack this forum to settle some personal score.

"Karen Gordon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > "Dick Turpin" ([email protected]) writes:
    > > The so-called Karen Gordon who speak so much about "embarrasing
questions"
    > > is yet to answer even one question about herself/himself.
    > > I had posted 3 questions for her couple days back and she conveniently
    > > ignored it.
    > > Surprise, surprise !
    > (K): I'm not passing myself off as an "immigration consultant" on these
    > forums, am I?
    > But sure am looking forward to seeing the listed name of "Andrew Miller"
    > on the legitimate list of immigration consultants being drawn up by the
    > Canadian government. If he's not there, there are going to be a whole lot
    > of very angry people who may have paid money to someone calling himself an
    > 'immigration consultant' for a fee, and then not surfacing on the list of
    > registered consultants, don't you think?
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