Dawnbell

Hi, all!

Can the official transcript from a US university, reference letter from
current employer be the proof of language proficiency? Thank you very much
for your help!

Andrew Miller

No.

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Andrew Miller
Immigration Consultant
Vancouver, British Columbia
email: [email protected]
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"Dawnbell" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > Hi, all!
    > Can the official transcript from a US university, reference letter from
    > current employer be the proof of language proficiency? Thank you very
much
    > for your help!

James Metcalfe

It will not be accepted as absolute proof. You have to make a submission in
your application package stating why you believe that you are fully
proficient in English or French as the case my be. Evidence of study and
work in English is acceptable. In the worst possible scenario the visa
office concerned will ask you for a IELTS test. Our expereince in filing
applications in the USA is that Buffalo rarely asks for IELTS from persons
who have studied in and worked in the USA. Of course if you cannot write a
proper submission you will have a problem.

Jim metcalfe





"Dawnbell" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:7uJlb.27313$iq3.22361@okepread01...
    > Hi, all!
    > Can the official transcript from a US university, reference letter from
    > current employer be the proof of language proficiency? Thank you very
much
    > for your help!

harido

Where would I be able to find some sample submission letters. All my education has been in English and I have been working in the US for the past 3 years.

Thanks.

Andrew Miller

You cannot find submission letters - writing your own is the point. You want
to use submission letter and substitute evidence instead of test results
then it is you who must write it in your own words. Remember that you must
document your claimed proficiency level in all 4 skills (listening,
speaking, writing and reading) as per Canadian Languages Benchmark here:

http://www.language.ca/pdfs/clb_adults.pdf

It is up to you now to write the letter stating where, when and how you
learned the language, how you use it in work and daily life and to point to
relevant evidence.

--

../..

Andrew Miller
Immigration Consultant
Vancouver, British Columbia
email: [email protected]
(delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
________________________________


"harido" <member@british_expats.com> wrote in message
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    > >
    > Where would I be able to find some sample submission letters. All my
    > education has been in English and I have been working in the US for the
    > past 3 years.


    > Originally posted by James Metcalfe
    > > It will not be accepted as absolute proof. You have to make a
    > > submission in
    > > your application package stating why you believe that you are fully
    > > proficient in English or French as the case my be. Evidence of
    > > study and
    > > work in English is acceptable. In the worst possible scenario the visa
    > > office concerned will ask you for a IELTS test. Our expereince
    > > in filing
    > > applications in the USA is that Buffalo rarely asks for IELTS
    > > from persons
    > > who have studied in and worked in the USA. Of course if you
    > > cannot write a
    > > proper submission you will have a problem.
    > >
    > > Jim metcalfe
    > >
    > >

    > Thanks.
    > --
    > Posted via http://britishexpats.com

James Metcalfe

While I am certain there are persons who can provide submisison letters AM
is right. If you cannot write it your self take a IELTS.


Jim metcalfe



"Andrew Miller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > You cannot find submission letters - writing your own is the point. You
want
    > to use submission letter and substitute evidence instead of test results
    > then it is you who must write it in your own words. Remember that you must
    > document your claimed proficiency level in all 4 skills (listening,
    > speaking, writing and reading) as per Canadian Languages Benchmark here:
    > http://www.language.ca/pdfs/clb_adults.pdf
    > It is up to you now to write the letter stating where, when and how you
    > learned the language, how you use it in work and daily life and to point
to
    > relevant evidence.
    > --
    > ../..
    > Andrew Miller
    > Immigration Consultant
    > Vancouver, British Columbia
    > email: [email protected]
    > (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
    > ________________________________
    > "harido" <member@british_expats.com> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > >
    > > Where would I be able to find some sample submission letters. All my
    > > education has been in English and I have been working in the US for the
    > > past 3 years.
    > > Originally posted by James Metcalfe
    > >
    > > > It will not be accepted as absolute proof. You have to make a
    > > > submission in
    > >
    > > > your application package stating why you believe that you are fully
    > >
    > > > proficient in English or French as the case my be. Evidence of
    > > > study and
    > >
    > > > work in English is acceptable. In the worst possible scenario the visa
    > >
    > > > office concerned will ask you for a IELTS test. Our expereince
    > > > in filing
    > >
    > > > applications in the USA is that Buffalo rarely asks for IELTS
    > > > from persons
    > >
    > > > who have studied in and worked in the USA. Of course if you
    > > > cannot write a
    > >
    > > > proper submission you will have a problem.
    > >
    > > >
    > >
    > > > Jim metcalfe
    > >
    > > >
    > >
    > > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > Thanks.
    > >
    > >
    > > --
    > > Posted via http://britishexpats.com

Borg

Are you saying that a diploma from an american university does not prove the language proficiency ?
I would REALLY doubt it. REALLY.

/borg

Andrew Miller

You may doubt what you want. I had a client last year who got his Master's
and PhD in US but his IELTS test was below 7.0 in all 4 skills. How do you
think fact that you have a degree from US can attest to the claimed level pf
proficiency in all 4 skills as per Canadian Languages Benchmark? University
degree doesn't say anything about your English skills - they may be good to
complete education as most people with moderate level will have no problems
completing any degree in US (except degree in English subject), but how
degree can prove that you have high proficiency (not just moderate) in any
of 4 skills? If you want 16 points for language then you must provide
conclusive evidence of your high proficiency in all 4 skills. Otherwise you
may get only 8 points for moderate level and those 8 missing points may lead
to application refusal. Can you afford such gamble?

--

../..

Andrew Miller
Immigration Consultant
Vancouver, British Columbia
email: [email protected]
(delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
________________________________


"borg" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > Are you saying that a diploma from an american university does not prove
the language proficiency ?
    > I would REALLY doubt it. REALLY.
    > /borg

Borg

Let me explain what PhD program is. It takes about 5 years, sometime longer, so complete the program.
The language of instruction is English, so you should have perfect listening comprehension.
All the text books are in English, so the reading comprehension gets perfect too.
Writing skills are become perfect b/c you communicate with others by writing every day (by email, for example).
And finally, as a grad student you have to work -- in most cases you teach undergraduate courses -- this is your
financial support. And you can't teach with your mouth shut, you have to talk and talk well so that the students understand
what you are saying.

And yes, I think most US grad schools do not require TOEFL if you spent 2 or more years in the States.

I do not know why your client was less then perfect on IELTS, he must have been tired or something.
Or one of the things above I mentioned did not apply to him (he/she did research instead of teaching).

I think all this I typed here is convincing enough.

/borg.

Andrew Miller

Are you giving advice based on your experience with PR applications?
How many did you submit since implementation of new law?
How many have been positively assessed without required proof of language
proficiency?
How many received maximum number of points for English without conclusive
and acceptable evidence?
Will you give original poster a written guarantee that he gets max points
after following your advice?
How would you compensate anyone who won't get desired number of points after
following your advice?

--

../..

Andrew Miller
Immigration Consultant
Vancouver, British Columbia
email: [email protected]
(delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
________________________________


"borg" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > Let me explain what PhD program is. It takes about 5 years, sometime
longer, so complete the program.
    > The language of instruction is English, so you should have perfect
listening comprehension.
    > All the text books are in English, so the reading comprehension gets
perfect too.
    > Writing skills are become perfect b/c you communicate with others by
writing every day (by email, for example).
    > And finally, as a grad student you have to work -- in most cases you teach
undergraduate courses -- this is your
    > financial support. And you can't teach with your mouth shut, you have to
talk and talk well so that the students understand
    > what you are saying.
    > And yes, I think most US grad schools do not require TOEFL if you spent 2
or more years in the States.
    > I do not know why your client was less then perfect on IELTS, he must have
been tired or something.
    > Or one of the things above I mentioned did not apply to him (he/she did
research instead of teaching).
    > I think all this I typed here is convincing enough.
    > /borg.

Borg

Andrew,

I am not doing any of this, I am not a consultant. I just explained why I think that taking IELTS for a person with PhD is waste of time.
Especially if he was teaching during his PhD program. I think the reasons I gave are sound enough.

But to be on the safe side -- yeah, one can take IELTS.

BTW, does your firm have a website ? I could not find it on the internet ....

/borg.

    > Are you giving advice based on your experience with PR applications?
    > How many did you submit since implementation of new law?
    > How many have been positively assessed without required proof of language
    > proficiency?
    > How many received maximum number of points for English without conclusive
    > and acceptable evidence?
    > Will you give original poster a written guarantee that he gets max points
    > after following your advice?
    > How would you compensate anyone who won't get desired number of points after
    > following your advice?
    >
    > --
    >
    > ../..
    >
    > Andrew Miller
    > Immigration Consultant
    > Vancouver, British Columbia
    > email: [email protected]
    > (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
    > ________________________________
    >

Andrew Miller

P.S.

After you answer those 6 questions from my earlier post please also tell us
why in past 2 or so months we've seen quite few reports in this forum from
applicants asked by Buffalo to submit among other things their transcripts
from US universities and IELTS results?

Accordingly to your opinion "a diploma from an american university" proves
high proficiency in English - so, why do you think they were asked for IELTS
or conclusive substitute evidence with hand written note "Recommended" next
to IELTS test result in the documents checklist they received?

--

../..

Andrew Miller
Immigration Consultant
Vancouver, British Columbia
email: [email protected]
(delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
________________________________


"Andrew Miller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:vLomb.3773$zx2.3169@edtnps84...
    > Are you giving advice based on your experience with PR applications?
    > How many did you submit since implementation of new law?
    > How many have been positively assessed without required proof of language
    > proficiency?
    > How many received maximum number of points for English without conclusive
    > and acceptable evidence?
    > Will you give original poster a written guarantee that he gets max points
    > after following your advice?
    > How would you compensate anyone who won't get desired number of points
after
    > following your advice?
    > --
    > ../..
    > Andrew Miller
    > Immigration Consultant
    > Vancouver, British Columbia
    > email: [email protected]
    > (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
    > ________________________________
    > "borg" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > Let me explain what PhD program is. It takes about 5 years, sometime
    > longer, so complete the program.
    > > The language of instruction is English, so you should have perfect
    > listening comprehension.
    > > All the text books are in English, so the reading comprehension gets
    > perfect too.
    > > Writing skills are become perfect b/c you communicate with others by
    > writing every day (by email, for example).
    > > And finally, as a grad student you have to work -- in most cases you
teach
    > undergraduate courses -- this is your
    > > financial support. And you can't teach with your mouth shut, you have to
    > talk and talk well so that the students understand
    > > what you are saying.
    > >
    > > And yes, I think most US grad schools do not require TOEFL if you spent
2
    > or more years in the States.
    > >
    > > I do not know why your client was less then perfect on IELTS, he must
have
    > been tired or something.
    > > Or one of the things above I mentioned did not apply to him (he/she did
    > research instead of teaching).
    > >
    > > I think all this I typed here is convincing enough.
    > >
    > > /borg.

Andrew Miller

No, we don't have active website for past 3+ years. Been there, done that -
not worth the hassle for the firm of this size. Website brings mainly many
curious people, rarely (if at all) real clients. It may be good for internet
based "immigration mills" but my firm is not one of them. Everybody knows
how to find CIC website with up to date info and those (including many
victims of internet based immigration mills) who want my assistance know how
to find me anyway.

--

../..

Andrew Miller
Immigration Consultant
Vancouver, British Columbia
email: [email protected]
(delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
________________________________


"borg" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > Andrew,
    > I am not doing any of this, I am not a consultant. I just explained why I
think that taking IELTS for a person with PhD is waste of time.
    > Especially if he was teaching during his PhD program. I think the reasons
I gave are sound enough.
    > But to be on the safe side -- yeah, one can take IELTS.
    > BTW, does your firm have a website ? I could not find it on the internet
....
    > /borg.
    > > Are you giving advice based on your experience with PR applications?
    > > How many did you submit since implementation of new law?
    > > How many have been positively assessed without required proof of
language
    > > proficiency?
    > > How many received maximum number of points for English without
conclusive
    > > and acceptable evidence?
    > > Will you give original poster a written guarantee that he gets max
points
    > > after following your advice?
    > > How would you compensate anyone who won't get desired number of points
after
    > > following your advice?
    > >
    > > --
    > >
    > > ../..
    > >
    > > Andrew Miller
    > > Immigration Consultant
    > > Vancouver, British Columbia
    > > email: [email protected]
    > > (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
    > > ________________________________
    > >

Borg

    > After you answer those 6 questions from my earlier post please also tell us
    > why in past 2 or so months we've seen quite few reports in this forum from
    > applicants asked by Buffalo to submit among other things their transcripts
    > from US universities and IELTS results?
Because Buffalo does the same thing I do -- they doubt !

    > Accordingly to your opinion "a diploma from an american university" proves
    > high proficiency in English - so, why do you think they were asked for IELTS
    > or conclusive substitute evidence with hand written note "Recommended" next
    > to IELTS test result in the documents checklist they received?

Perhaps there were some cases when they interviewed an applicant you could not speak English well enough..
Or the officials are just being scrupulous...

Borg

To resolve this confusion about american diplomas and English proficiency, I will inquiry my friends who actually applied for
the federal program. I am pretty sure they did not take IELTS (should someone who teaches in English for 5 years take one ??)
but I'll double check.

BTW, have you ever lived in States ? Just curious how would you compare Canadian society and American.