Proposed FSW Regulations - Canada Gazette
Aug 29th 2012, 9:30 pm
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Re: Proposed FSW Regulations - Canada Gazette
Well they have mentioned keeping the cap that parliament has set for FSW visas in general in the Gazette. No idea what that cap exactly is though and it includes those with arranged employment.
And just because CIC can only issue X visas per year, that number as we have seen in the past does not necessarily correspond with the number of applications they will accept.
They have X backlog with Y number of visas they can issue in a year. Z number of applications will be rejected on average and therefore will not be issued a visa.
From this I guess they need to come up with a sensible application cap.
Aug 30th 2012, 9:05 am
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Re: Proposed FSW Regulations - Canada Gazette
Looking at it more thoroughly, I'm less than optimistic now - if the points system stands as proposed.
Assuming I get 24 points for primary language and 0 for secondary then:
Age: 5 points.
Work Experience: 15 points.
Education: 5 points (completed 1 year of study but didn't finish any due to accepting employment).
Arranged employment: 10 points.
So that gets me 59 points. Seems the lack of strong post-secondary counts against me despite over 25 years of work experience (and nearly 15 in the current job).
In the current points system, I put the same measurements in and got 58 points without arranged employment.
Phooey.
Assuming I get 24 points for primary language and 0 for secondary then:
Age: 5 points.
Work Experience: 15 points.
Education: 5 points (completed 1 year of study but didn't finish any due to accepting employment).
Arranged employment: 10 points.
So that gets me 59 points. Seems the lack of strong post-secondary counts against me despite over 25 years of work experience (and nearly 15 in the current job).
In the current points system, I put the same measurements in and got 58 points without arranged employment.
Phooey.
Aug 30th 2012, 9:18 am
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Re: Proposed FSW Regulations - Canada Gazette
Whereas my partner and I with a single year of work experience at the grand old age of 22 get:
24 points for English
0 for French
12 for Age
9 for 1 Year of Work Experience at NOC Level B
21 for a Bachelor's Degree
5 for English ability of partner
Making a total of 71 points. They really are discounting foreign work experience and older people.
24 points for English
0 for French
12 for Age
9 for 1 Year of Work Experience at NOC Level B
21 for a Bachelor's Degree
5 for English ability of partner
Making a total of 71 points. They really are discounting foreign work experience and older people.
Aug 30th 2012, 11:20 am
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Re: Proposed FSW Regulations - Canada Gazette
Certainly seems that's the way things are heading. If they continue to accept applications with fewer points but with a covering letter outlining why I think I would be a good candidate for adaptability - I do have things I can point to, but even so - it's still a bit depressing given the drastic cut in points I'd get.
Kinda offsets the cautious optimism I had from that (unconfirmed?) tweet that PMM referred to about the possible lack of a list next year (my occupation is in Skill Level A).
Kinda offsets the cautious optimism I had from that (unconfirmed?) tweet that PMM referred to about the possible lack of a list next year (my occupation is in Skill Level A).
Aug 30th 2012, 1:20 pm
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Re: Proposed FSW Regulations - Canada Gazette
Certainly seems that's the way things are heading. If they continue to accept applications with fewer points but with a covering letter outlining why I think I would be a good candidate for adaptability - I do have things I can point to, but even so - it's still a bit depressing given the drastic cut in points I'd get.
Kinda offsets the cautious optimism I had from that (unconfirmed?) tweet that PMM referred to about the possible lack of a list next year (my occupation is in Skill Level A).
Kinda offsets the cautious optimism I had from that (unconfirmed?) tweet that PMM referred to about the possible lack of a list next year (my occupation is in Skill Level A).
Edit: Depending on how the educational equivalence organisations evaluate things I wonder if your 1 year of post-secondary will get you 15 points?
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Aug 30th 2012, 1:42 pm
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Re: Proposed FSW Regulations - Canada Gazette
I guess you would have to find arranged employment and then go the CEC route after a year of working on a TWP. Certainly not as safe a route as having a PR visa in hand, but doable.
Edit: Depending on how the educational equivalence organisations evaluate things I wonder if your 1 year of post-secondary will get you 15 points?
Edit: Depending on how the educational equivalence organisations evaluate things I wonder if your 1 year of post-secondary will get you 15 points?
My general plan prior to the (apparent!) lack of a list was to try that way - e.g. go over, stay with friends who'd put me up for nothing. Then, hunt around for employers willing to do the LMO via calls/in person checking, get a TWP and then try for PR via CEC.
Funds won't be an issue - after working for nearly 15 years and getting a very generous redundancy from the company I work for in a couple of months time.
Sometimes I rue the lack of a university education - but if I had gone down that route instead of what I did choose (employment) - I may never have gotten where I am now I guess.
Aug 30th 2012, 1:47 pm
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In that case you might not get even 5 points for education since I'd imagine that completion of A-levels is the equivalent of a High School Diploma. Though I am not too sure since an A-level is closer to the first year of university in Canada than the final year of high school. Just have to wait and see! Not that it'll matter for the CEC route.
Aug 30th 2012, 1:51 pm
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In that case you might not get even 5 points for education since I'd imagine that completion of A-levels is the equivalent of a High School Diploma. Though I am not too sure since an A-level is closer to the first year of university in Canada than the final year of high school. Just have to wait and see! Not that it'll matter for the CEC route.
Aug 31st 2012, 8:05 pm
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Re: Proposed FSW Regulations - Canada Gazette
So the "CAP" lets guess its 10k again will be split across FSTC and FSW? As long as the CAP isnt set at a silly level, I think it just might work, after all MI2 and 3 seems to have gone through a heck of a lot faster than MI1!
Thinking on the proposed changes...
I still think that there will be a rush for CEC though, everyone who has held a TWP/IEC for a year in the last 5 years will qualify for PR (presuming they worked in 0 A or B NOCs)
I think it will be interesting to see what changes to the PNPs are in the pipeline, not to mention investor and parental sponsorship. It might take another 12 months, but maybe, just maybe they are getting somewhere with immigration.
Thinking on the proposed changes...
I still think that there will be a rush for CEC though, everyone who has held a TWP/IEC for a year in the last 5 years will qualify for PR (presuming they worked in 0 A or B NOCs)
I think it will be interesting to see what changes to the PNPs are in the pipeline, not to mention investor and parental sponsorship. It might take another 12 months, but maybe, just maybe they are getting somewhere with immigration.
Sep 3rd 2012, 9:05 pm
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Re: Proposed FSW Regulations - Canada Gazette
When illustrating your now reduced 12months work experience, what proof is required? Apart from a headed letter from the employer, are paystubs, T4s etc needed...I ask as I was employed as a consultant, but still had the 37.5 hours per week. But I had to deal with my own taxes.
Thanks
Thanks
Sep 3rd 2012, 9:19 pm
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Re: Proposed FSW Regulations - Canada Gazette
Hi
Here is David Cohen take on the new proposed Federal Skilled Trades Class
Introduction of Federal Skilled Trades Class
In order to better facilitate the entry of skilled tradespersons to Canada, CIC has created the Federal Skilled Trades Class (FSTC) of immigration. This will be open to tradespersons with skills in the following areas:
Industrial, Electrical, and Construction Trades; Maintenance and Equipment Operation Trades; Supervisors and Technical Occupations in Natural Resources; Agriculture and Related Production’ Processing, Manufacturing and Utilities Supervisors and Central Control Operators’ Chefs and Cooks; Bakers and Butchers
All of these trades are considered “skilled”, and fall into the “B” level of work, as defined by Canada’s National Occupation Classification (NOC).
The FSTC is not a points-based immigration program. Rather, it operates on a pass/fail system.
Applicants to this new immigration program will have to meet the following 4 requirements:
Must receive either:
A qualifying offer of employment in Canada. Offers must be for at least 1 year in duration; OR
A Certificate of Qualification from a provincial or territorial authority.
Minimum language proficiency of at least Canadian Level Benchmark 5 (“initial intermediate”).
24 months of work experience in their skilled trade during the last 5 years.
Professional qualifications that prove their ability to perform their job.
It is important to note that only individuals who meet all of the above requirements are eligible to apply to this immigration class. However, a skilled tradesperson who does not fulfill the requirements of the FSTC may be eligible to apply to the FSWC or another Canadian immigration program.
Here is David Cohen take on the new proposed Federal Skilled Trades Class
Introduction of Federal Skilled Trades Class
In order to better facilitate the entry of skilled tradespersons to Canada, CIC has created the Federal Skilled Trades Class (FSTC) of immigration. This will be open to tradespersons with skills in the following areas:
Industrial, Electrical, and Construction Trades; Maintenance and Equipment Operation Trades; Supervisors and Technical Occupations in Natural Resources; Agriculture and Related Production’ Processing, Manufacturing and Utilities Supervisors and Central Control Operators’ Chefs and Cooks; Bakers and Butchers
All of these trades are considered “skilled”, and fall into the “B” level of work, as defined by Canada’s National Occupation Classification (NOC).
The FSTC is not a points-based immigration program. Rather, it operates on a pass/fail system.
Applicants to this new immigration program will have to meet the following 4 requirements:
Must receive either:
A qualifying offer of employment in Canada. Offers must be for at least 1 year in duration; OR
A Certificate of Qualification from a provincial or territorial authority.
Minimum language proficiency of at least Canadian Level Benchmark 5 (“initial intermediate”).
24 months of work experience in their skilled trade during the last 5 years.
Professional qualifications that prove their ability to perform their job.
It is important to note that only individuals who meet all of the above requirements are eligible to apply to this immigration class. However, a skilled tradesperson who does not fulfill the requirements of the FSTC may be eligible to apply to the FSWC or another Canadian immigration program.
Dose this require a LMO??
Sep 3rd 2012, 10:31 pm
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Re: Proposed FSW Regulations - Canada Gazette
Hi
Note
Must receive either:
A qualifying offer of employment in Canada. Offers must be for at least 1 year in duration; OR
A Certificate of Qualification from a provincial or territorial authority.
Means a LMO and work permit it would appear.
Note
Must receive either:
A qualifying offer of employment in Canada. Offers must be for at least 1 year in duration; OR
A Certificate of Qualification from a provincial or territorial authority.
Means a LMO and work permit it would appear.
Sep 7th 2012, 6:30 am
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Re: Proposed FSW Regulations - Canada Gazette
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/departm...2012-08-24.asp
Hmm. In one place that article talks about "eliminating the old backlog", in another place it's only been reduced. Significantly, but still - not eliminated.
Which is it... I'm guessing reduced given they've supplied numbers.
Hmm. In one place that article talks about "eliminating the old backlog", in another place it's only been reduced. Significantly, but still - not eliminated.
Which is it... I'm guessing reduced given they've supplied numbers.
Sep 27th 2012, 12:19 pm
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Re: Proposed FSW Regulations - Canada Gazette
Siouxie linked to a a CIC faq page in another thread which does suggest a list will be in place. Interesting, given that this was not really mentioned during previous communications.
Of course, I'm assuming that they are referring to THE list but I could be wrong and they might mean a revised NOC list rather than THE list.
Answer to the question "When will the revised FSWP be in place?" and the very last sentence.
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/informa...lled/index.asp
Of course, I'm assuming that they are referring to THE list but I could be wrong and they might mean a revised NOC list rather than THE list.
Answer to the question "When will the revised FSWP be in place?" and the very last sentence.
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/informa...lled/index.asp
Originally Posted by cic
The full regulatory changes proposed to the Federal Skilled Worker selection criteria, the new Federal Skilled Trades class and the Canadian Experience class changes will be pre-published in the Canada Gazette in the coming months. Final publication is expected before the end of the year, with the new requirements taking effect in early 2013. The Department also expects to issue an updated occupation list at that time.
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