IT professionals not needed? No jobs?
Jun 30th 2003, 12:26 pm
#16
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Re: IT professionals not needed? No jobs?
> A question to Mr. Simon House:
> I've heard rumors that U of Calgary and Hunt Oil are hiring IT workers
> like crazy out there. Is that true??? or Do they just "harvest"
> resumes?
Where did you hear these rumours?
I am not aware of anything, but usually if they came from job boards,
you can be guaranteed that those positions no longer exist the minute
they are published! They could be listed to harvest resumes, but its
hard to believe that such practices are needed in a city where there are
such a high number of available workers - not alot of positions get as
far as the job agencies anyway!
I think alot of it depends on your particular field of expertise. ERP
is luke-warm in Calgary, whereas other fields (especially
programming/web) are stone cold ! Try the calgary.jobs newsgroup for
ideas but most of those are junk...
> I've heard rumors that U of Calgary and Hunt Oil are hiring IT workers
> like crazy out there. Is that true??? or Do they just "harvest"
> resumes?
Where did you hear these rumours?
I am not aware of anything, but usually if they came from job boards,
you can be guaranteed that those positions no longer exist the minute
they are published! They could be listed to harvest resumes, but its
hard to believe that such practices are needed in a city where there are
such a high number of available workers - not alot of positions get as
far as the job agencies anyway!
I think alot of it depends on your particular field of expertise. ERP
is luke-warm in Calgary, whereas other fields (especially
programming/web) are stone cold ! Try the calgary.jobs newsgroup for
ideas but most of those are junk...
Jun 30th 2003, 1:38 pm
#17
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Re: IT professionals not needed? No jobs?
LOL
ur not even in Canada.
>Subject: Re: IT professionals not needed? No jobs?
>From: MrsCanada [email protected]
>Date: 6/30/03 8:40 PM Atlantic Daylight Time
>Message-id:
>I got a Network Admin position after 5 months of sending out hundreds of
>resumes. I had 4 job interviews total.
>#1 I made it to the second interview but they hired someone that lived
>#in the small town the company was located( It would have been a
>#horrible drive in the winter).
>#2 I turned down because it was $10 an hour .I happen to have other
>#skills that I could use,so I wasn't settling for peanuts.
>#3 again I made it to the second interview they wanted a person with
>#telecom(phone) experience as well as networking.
>#4 I got it! It's 15 minutes from my house,the best employer in town and
>#the pay is excellent. I’m working my tail off and loving it. Once you
>#get an opportunity like this you hang onto it.FYI: All 10 people they
>#interviewed were unemployed.
>And the job openings I found this way
>#1 Recruiter
>#2 HRDC website
>#3 Monster.ca
>#4 The local newspaper ( The add ran only 1 day)
>It would have been just as tough job hunting in the US. I have US
>experience, a degree and many certs. I got this job because can do all
>the higher level routing, switching ,server stuff , but I'm not above
>walking a mouse down to a user.
>Be persistent. Tailor your resume to fit the job. Have a kick a** cover
>letter. Now my job search agents are finely tuned and I get suitable
>hits a couple times a week.( Not that I'm looking) I spent 20+ hours a
>week searching and sending in resumes.
>--
>Posted via http://britishexpats.com
ur not even in Canada.
>Subject: Re: IT professionals not needed? No jobs?
>From: MrsCanada [email protected]
>Date: 6/30/03 8:40 PM Atlantic Daylight Time
>Message-id:
>I got a Network Admin position after 5 months of sending out hundreds of
>resumes. I had 4 job interviews total.
>#1 I made it to the second interview but they hired someone that lived
>#in the small town the company was located( It would have been a
>#horrible drive in the winter).
>#2 I turned down because it was $10 an hour .I happen to have other
>#skills that I could use,so I wasn't settling for peanuts.
>#3 again I made it to the second interview they wanted a person with
>#telecom(phone) experience as well as networking.
>#4 I got it! It's 15 minutes from my house,the best employer in town and
>#the pay is excellent. I’m working my tail off and loving it. Once you
>#get an opportunity like this you hang onto it.FYI: All 10 people they
>#interviewed were unemployed.
>And the job openings I found this way
>#1 Recruiter
>#2 HRDC website
>#3 Monster.ca
>#4 The local newspaper ( The add ran only 1 day)
>It would have been just as tough job hunting in the US. I have US
>experience, a degree and many certs. I got this job because can do all
>the higher level routing, switching ,server stuff , but I'm not above
>walking a mouse down to a user.
>Be persistent. Tailor your resume to fit the job. Have a kick a** cover
>letter. Now my job search agents are finely tuned and I get suitable
>hits a couple times a week.( Not that I'm looking) I spent 20+ hours a
>week searching and sending in resumes.
>--
>Posted via http://britishexpats.com
Jun 30th 2003, 1:39 pm
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Re: IT professionals not needed? No jobs?
Ben wrote:
>I gather, IT Professionals
> (network admins, systems admin, WAN admin etc) are not in high demand
> anymore.
Not precisely correct. Of course they are in high demand. It is just
that there is high supply. During the boom, tons of I.T. professionals
were sucked into both Canada and the U.S. and they all did pretty
well.
The problem is that now the boom has gone bust.
Normally this would be OK since eventually things would even out and
people would drop out of the market and stop looking for I.T. jobs.
The reason this has not happened this time is that a significant
percentage of the left over H1B workers in the states didn't want to
go back home and preferred to apply for Canadian PR instead. So now we
have the situation of a buyers market which is artificially depressed
by a glut of several hundred thousand extra I.T. workers from the ten
times larger U.S. market.
This will not work itself out anytime soon. What Canada needs to do is
take I.T. completely off the list of professions (i.e. NO MORE I.T.
workers are allowed in until the glut is absorbed). This is unlikely
to happen, however, since the immigration department is a business
designed to extract money from foreigners and transfer it to the
Canadian economy with the understanding that *if* the foreigners can
survive, they can become Canadians. It's a pretty sweet deal, but it's
also tough, especially if you are in I.T.
I would seriously consider training in something else while waiting
for your visa to process, because it's not easy and won't be for a
*long* time.
>I gather, IT Professionals
> (network admins, systems admin, WAN admin etc) are not in high demand
> anymore.
Not precisely correct. Of course they are in high demand. It is just
that there is high supply. During the boom, tons of I.T. professionals
were sucked into both Canada and the U.S. and they all did pretty
well.
The problem is that now the boom has gone bust.
Normally this would be OK since eventually things would even out and
people would drop out of the market and stop looking for I.T. jobs.
The reason this has not happened this time is that a significant
percentage of the left over H1B workers in the states didn't want to
go back home and preferred to apply for Canadian PR instead. So now we
have the situation of a buyers market which is artificially depressed
by a glut of several hundred thousand extra I.T. workers from the ten
times larger U.S. market.
This will not work itself out anytime soon. What Canada needs to do is
take I.T. completely off the list of professions (i.e. NO MORE I.T.
workers are allowed in until the glut is absorbed). This is unlikely
to happen, however, since the immigration department is a business
designed to extract money from foreigners and transfer it to the
Canadian economy with the understanding that *if* the foreigners can
survive, they can become Canadians. It's a pretty sweet deal, but it's
also tough, especially if you are in I.T.
I would seriously consider training in something else while waiting
for your visa to process, because it's not easy and won't be for a
*long* time.
Jun 30th 2003, 3:04 pm
#19
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Re: IT professionals not needed? No jobs?
On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 19:32:57 +0200, Dennis Laursen
wrote:
>Hi,
>Since i'm not familiar with how long an education a "computer science
>graduate" has had, i need to ask
is that equvalent to a bachelor or a
>master?
>I'm hoping to imigrate to Canada soon, once i finish my master degree
>(MSc. Business Administration and Computer Science), and i hope i've got
>a better chance of finding work than most canadian graduates. I can
>allready show ~2½ years(full time) of programmer experience...but i
>could be wrong in my assumption(?)
Good luck!! You may even be overeducated. There is a possibility
where you have made yourself too expensive for companies to want to
hire.
There are tonnes of jobs opening up:
teachers
doctors (very hot profession)
nurses (very hot profession)
lawyers
skilled trades (very hot profession)
accountants.
Why? Baby boomers, those born between 1945 and 1962 entered the
retirement years in 2000 and the retirement wave will peak in about 10
years. This demographic is very large and commands all aspects of the
economy. These people do not work in computers. In fact many of them
may even say they are scared of computers.
IT and computers in general are a very poor career choice. Anyone
entering computers right now are not knowledgeable when it comes to
job market conditions. They may be intelligent from an IQ
perspective; but they are wearing blinders when it comes to reality.
>How would you guys rate my chances?
In all honesty, poor.
wrote:
>Hi,
>Since i'm not familiar with how long an education a "computer science
>graduate" has had, i need to ask
is that equvalent to a bachelor or a >master?
>I'm hoping to imigrate to Canada soon, once i finish my master degree
>(MSc. Business Administration and Computer Science), and i hope i've got
>a better chance of finding work than most canadian graduates. I can
>allready show ~2½ years(full time) of programmer experience...but i
>could be wrong in my assumption(?)
Good luck!! You may even be overeducated. There is a possibility
where you have made yourself too expensive for companies to want to
hire.
There are tonnes of jobs opening up:
teachers
doctors (very hot profession)
nurses (very hot profession)
lawyers
skilled trades (very hot profession)
accountants.
Why? Baby boomers, those born between 1945 and 1962 entered the
retirement years in 2000 and the retirement wave will peak in about 10
years. This demographic is very large and commands all aspects of the
economy. These people do not work in computers. In fact many of them
may even say they are scared of computers.
IT and computers in general are a very poor career choice. Anyone
entering computers right now are not knowledgeable when it comes to
job market conditions. They may be intelligent from an IQ
perspective; but they are wearing blinders when it comes to reality.
>How would you guys rate my chances?
In all honesty, poor.
Jun 30th 2003, 6:31 pm
#20
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Joined: Sep 2002
Posts: 84
I wouldnt say IT is a bad career choice - definitely the boom is
over - a lot of people jumping on the bandwagon didnt help
either - doing cram sessions - though they talk of a skills shortage
in a few years what with people avoiding IT courses.
I think Canada is definitely different than Europe. I know where I come from, chances are I would get a job in IT if I tried hard enough - unemployment is about 5%.
In Canada things seem to be different - high unemployment rate of 8% , I do think they treat overseas people differently and I dont think it is anything but they are protectionist in a highly tough market - I dont blame them -that is just the way it is - look after your own first - I think Canadian Experience is a bit of misnomer in today's global environment. Anyone who has been in the "IT industry" for about 8-9 years can do the job no matter what the country given adequate training- you cant fool people for that long - you must have some core skills to have survived that long.
Certainly knowing people helps - for example a friend of
mine with same background is offered a job in toronto without an interview whereas I know I would be stacking shelves - the thing is he doesnt want to move there - the jobs are there - networking is the way to go.
the reverse is not the case - I know Canadians who did the reverse and got jobs within days . I just think the employment market in Canada has a lot to do with the whole canadian experience - if they were skills shortages they would hire you - the fact is Canada has experienced high unemployment for a while. - I do think that needs to be made clear to prospective immigrants. - the chances of getting a job in your area of expertise is slim - be prepared to take survival wage and spend a lot of money retraining or getting canadian qualifications.
anyway I dont wish to offend anyone - just think things should be made clearer for immigrants - hope you have someone to help you when you get here - just think it is very hard otherwise.
over - a lot of people jumping on the bandwagon didnt help
either - doing cram sessions - though they talk of a skills shortage
in a few years what with people avoiding IT courses.
I think Canada is definitely different than Europe. I know where I come from, chances are I would get a job in IT if I tried hard enough - unemployment is about 5%.
In Canada things seem to be different - high unemployment rate of 8% , I do think they treat overseas people differently and I dont think it is anything but they are protectionist in a highly tough market - I dont blame them -that is just the way it is - look after your own first - I think Canadian Experience is a bit of misnomer in today's global environment. Anyone who has been in the "IT industry" for about 8-9 years can do the job no matter what the country given adequate training- you cant fool people for that long - you must have some core skills to have survived that long.
Certainly knowing people helps - for example a friend of
mine with same background is offered a job in toronto without an interview whereas I know I would be stacking shelves - the thing is he doesnt want to move there - the jobs are there - networking is the way to go.
the reverse is not the case - I know Canadians who did the reverse and got jobs within days . I just think the employment market in Canada has a lot to do with the whole canadian experience - if they were skills shortages they would hire you - the fact is Canada has experienced high unemployment for a while. - I do think that needs to be made clear to prospective immigrants. - the chances of getting a job in your area of expertise is slim - be prepared to take survival wage and spend a lot of money retraining or getting canadian qualifications.
anyway I dont wish to offend anyone - just think things should be made clearer for immigrants - hope you have someone to help you when you get here - just think it is very hard otherwise.
Jun 30th 2003, 8:22 pm
#21
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I'm British by birth, but grew up in Canada, my Canadian husband and I came back to live in the UK. I'm not impressed. I can see why people move to Canada.
The Method that MrsCanada described is a North American style getting work. And North Americans do it that way because to them it is the only way. I don't tell people I'm British anymore, I say I'm Canadian - AND PROUD OF IT!!.
The average worker here feels that they are owed everything and should not have to put in a hundred percent to get it. Team work is supposed to be here, but it is not really. MrsCanada got the job not only because she is skilled but has drive and determination to get ahead.
I would move back to Canada in a moment if it was possible, ironically my husband (the Canadian) (ccnp, mcse) is of high demand here and runs a network for a 6 hospital trust. They feel because he is North American trained he is of higher calibre than the average British worker.
The Method that MrsCanada described is a North American style getting work. And North Americans do it that way because to them it is the only way. I don't tell people I'm British anymore, I say I'm Canadian - AND PROUD OF IT!!.
The average worker here feels that they are owed everything and should not have to put in a hundred percent to get it. Team work is supposed to be here, but it is not really. MrsCanada got the job not only because she is skilled but has drive and determination to get ahead.
I would move back to Canada in a moment if it was possible, ironically my husband (the Canadian) (ccnp, mcse) is of high demand here and runs a network for a 6 hospital trust. They feel because he is North American trained he is of higher calibre than the average British worker.
Originally posted by MrsCanada
I got a Network Admin position after 5 months of sending out hundreds of resumes. I had 4 job interviews total.
#1 I made it to the second interview but they hired someone that lived in the small town the company was located( It would have been a horrible drive in the winter).
#2 I turned down because it was $10 an hour .I happen to have other skills that I could use,so I wasn't settling for peanuts.
#3 again I made it to the second interview they wanted a person with telecom(phone) experience as well as networking.
#4 I got it! It's 15 minutes from my house,the best employer in town and the pay is excellent. I’m working my tail off and loving it. Once you get an opportunity like this you hang onto it.FYI: All 10 people they interviewed were unemployed.
And the job openings I found this way
#1 Recruiter
#2 HRDC website
#3 Monster.ca
#4 The local newspaper ( The add ran only 1 day)
It would have been just as tough job hunting in the US. I have US experience, a degree and many certs. I got this job because can do all the higher level routing, switching ,server stuff , but I'm not above walking a mouse down to a user.
Be persistent. Tailor your resume to fit the job. Have a kick a** cover letter. Now my job search agents are finely tuned and I get suitable hits a couple times a week.( Not that I'm looking) I spent 20+ hours a week searching and sending in resumes.
I got a Network Admin position after 5 months of sending out hundreds of resumes. I had 4 job interviews total.
#1 I made it to the second interview but they hired someone that lived in the small town the company was located( It would have been a horrible drive in the winter).
#2 I turned down because it was $10 an hour .I happen to have other skills that I could use,so I wasn't settling for peanuts.
#3 again I made it to the second interview they wanted a person with telecom(phone) experience as well as networking.
#4 I got it! It's 15 minutes from my house,the best employer in town and the pay is excellent. I’m working my tail off and loving it. Once you get an opportunity like this you hang onto it.FYI: All 10 people they interviewed were unemployed.
And the job openings I found this way
#1 Recruiter
#2 HRDC website
#3 Monster.ca
#4 The local newspaper ( The add ran only 1 day)
It would have been just as tough job hunting in the US. I have US experience, a degree and many certs. I got this job because can do all the higher level routing, switching ,server stuff , but I'm not above walking a mouse down to a user.
Be persistent. Tailor your resume to fit the job. Have a kick a** cover letter. Now my job search agents are finely tuned and I get suitable hits a couple times a week.( Not that I'm looking) I spent 20+ hours a week searching and sending in resumes.
Jun 30th 2003, 9:51 pm
#22
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Location: Ontario
Posts: 55
Re: IT professionals not needed? No jobs?
BTW They phoned *all* my references.
Last edited by MrsCanada; Jun 30th 2003 at 10:10 pm.
Jun 30th 2003, 11:08 pm
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Re: IT professionals not needed? No jobs?
"Goldfinger" wrote in message news:...
> "Aaron" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > While I will not be quite as pessimistic as Andrew Miller, I think the
> > situation is very bad, if not dire. There are few to no jobs anywhere,
> > especially in the IT sector. The few bright points are now fading away
> > thanks to the high dollar value, the continued downturn in the US
> > econonmy. Unless things turn around fast, Canada, US and a good part
> > of the world are headed for a recession of the kind of the 1930s.
>
> You are more pessimistic than the most pessimistic economist I have read.
>
Actually I am not quite as pessimistic. Note what I said, I think we
could very well be headed for a downturn of disastrous proportions,
but we are *not* there yet. If things turn around soon, then happy
times could be here again. It is no secret that the situation here in
Canada is much better than the US, but we could be joining them very
soon, if the current trend continues.
> "Aaron" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > While I will not be quite as pessimistic as Andrew Miller, I think the
> > situation is very bad, if not dire. There are few to no jobs anywhere,
> > especially in the IT sector. The few bright points are now fading away
> > thanks to the high dollar value, the continued downturn in the US
> > econonmy. Unless things turn around fast, Canada, US and a good part
> > of the world are headed for a recession of the kind of the 1930s.
>
> You are more pessimistic than the most pessimistic economist I have read.
>
Actually I am not quite as pessimistic. Note what I said, I think we
could very well be headed for a downturn of disastrous proportions,
but we are *not* there yet. If things turn around soon, then happy
times could be here again. It is no secret that the situation here in
Canada is much better than the US, but we could be joining them very
soon, if the current trend continues.
Jul 1st 2003, 3:14 am
#24
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Yeah...I should have sued my career counselor and demanded full refund
from my college for a bad choice going to IT.......
Speaking about job hunting in Canada, I usually make it to the first
interview (after long flights and jetlag).
As soon as perspective employers realize I don't have work
authorization or need some sort of visa sponsor, they say "NEXT".
Anyway, what ERP software is in high demand in Canada? My
specialization is Oracle (DBA and App. Development).
from my college for a bad choice going to IT......
.Speaking about job hunting in Canada, I usually make it to the first
interview (after long flights and jetlag).
As soon as perspective employers realize I don't have work
authorization or need some sort of visa sponsor, they say "NEXT".
Anyway, what ERP software is in high demand in Canada? My
specialization is Oracle (DBA and App. Development).
Jul 1st 2003, 4:58 am
#25
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On 1 Jul 2003 08:14:22 -0700, [email protected] (ABW) wrote:
>Yeah...I should have sued my career counselor and demanded full refund
>from my college for a bad choice going to IT.......
>Speaking about job hunting in Canada, I usually make it to the first
>interview (after long flights and jetlag).
>As soon as perspective employers realize I don't have work
>authorization or need some sort of visa sponsor, they say "NEXT".
Why would they not? If you aren't authorized to work here, you aren't
authorized to work here. It is like that in pretty much any country
in the west. Secondly with the job market like it is, why would they
hire someone from far away when they can hire someone who lives a
couple kilometres away?!
>Anyway, what ERP software is in high demand in Canada? My
>specialization is Oracle (DBA and App. Development).
None. At least not from a technical perspective. You'll be more
successful if you go into ERP as a fucntional analyst. However you
may need expensive education or certificates.
>Yeah...I should have sued my career counselor and demanded full refund
>from my college for a bad choice going to IT......
.>Speaking about job hunting in Canada, I usually make it to the first
>interview (after long flights and jetlag).
>As soon as perspective employers realize I don't have work
>authorization or need some sort of visa sponsor, they say "NEXT".
Why would they not? If you aren't authorized to work here, you aren't
authorized to work here. It is like that in pretty much any country
in the west. Secondly with the job market like it is, why would they
hire someone from far away when they can hire someone who lives a
couple kilometres away?!
>Anyway, what ERP software is in high demand in Canada? My
>specialization is Oracle (DBA and App. Development).
None. At least not from a technical perspective. You'll be more
successful if you go into ERP as a fucntional analyst. However you
may need expensive education or certificates.
Jul 1st 2003, 5:07 am
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Aaron wrote:
>
> "Goldfinger" wrote in message news:...
> > "Aaron" wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > While I will not be quite as pessimistic as Andrew Miller, I think the
> > > situation is very bad, if not dire. There are few to no jobs anywhere,
> > > especially in the IT sector. The few bright points are now fading away
> > > thanks to the high dollar value, the continued downturn in the US
> > > econonmy. Unless things turn around fast, Canada, US and a good part
> > > of the world are headed for a recession of the kind of the 1930s.
> >
> > You are more pessimistic than the most pessimistic economist I have read.
> >
>
> Actually I am not quite as pessimistic. Note what I said, I think we
> could very well be headed for a downturn of disastrous proportions,
> but we are *not* there yet. If things turn around soon, then happy
> times could be here again. It is no secret that the situation here in
> Canada is much better than the US, but we could be joining them very
> soon, if the current trend continues.
The major difference between now and the 1930s is that there is a
fundamental underlying strength, but corporations are afraid to spend.
The economy is currently being held afloat by consumer spending, becuase
interest rates look so good. But corporations are afraid to spend
because they see another round of interest rate increases as soon as the
economy starts improving. It was that last interest rate increase by
Greenspan that opened the bottom of the coffin. Corporations stopped
investing in equipment because that required capital spending often
funded by debt. As soon as they stopped buying, everything slid.
So for now corporations are working on getting their houses in order so
as to avoid spending from a more debt based position. Until
corporations are convinced that Greenspan isn't going to ramp up
interest rates, they are going to avoid capital spending as much as
possible.
>
> "Goldfinger" wrote in message news:...
> > "Aaron" wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > While I will not be quite as pessimistic as Andrew Miller, I think the
> > > situation is very bad, if not dire. There are few to no jobs anywhere,
> > > especially in the IT sector. The few bright points are now fading away
> > > thanks to the high dollar value, the continued downturn in the US
> > > econonmy. Unless things turn around fast, Canada, US and a good part
> > > of the world are headed for a recession of the kind of the 1930s.
> >
> > You are more pessimistic than the most pessimistic economist I have read.
> >
>
> Actually I am not quite as pessimistic. Note what I said, I think we
> could very well be headed for a downturn of disastrous proportions,
> but we are *not* there yet. If things turn around soon, then happy
> times could be here again. It is no secret that the situation here in
> Canada is much better than the US, but we could be joining them very
> soon, if the current trend continues.
The major difference between now and the 1930s is that there is a
fundamental underlying strength, but corporations are afraid to spend.
The economy is currently being held afloat by consumer spending, becuase
interest rates look so good. But corporations are afraid to spend
because they see another round of interest rate increases as soon as the
economy starts improving. It was that last interest rate increase by
Greenspan that opened the bottom of the coffin. Corporations stopped
investing in equipment because that required capital spending often
funded by debt. As soon as they stopped buying, everything slid.
So for now corporations are working on getting their houses in order so
as to avoid spending from a more debt based position. Until
corporations are convinced that Greenspan isn't going to ramp up
interest rates, they are going to avoid capital spending as much as
possible.
Jul 1st 2003, 6:06 am
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It is not only the IT....
S B wrote:
> The major difference between now and the 1930s is that there is a
> fundamental underlying strength, but corporations are afraid to spend.
Strength ? Where do you see strength here ? They've been talking
recovery for some twenty months are are still talking the same void talk..
There is no strength here but apparent volatility..
> The economy is currently being held afloat by consumer spending, becuase
> interest rates look so good.
The consumers will stop at some point; they've been spending on the false
note the economy was improving but it's been stalled for two years now and
is looking as bad as ever. They'll not only stop spending but will be deep
in debt. Sadly, they don't realize where their trust to the wall street
analysts is leading them to. Don't forget these analysts have interest to
make them buy, not save..
>... But corporations are afraid to spend
> because they see another round of interest rate increases as soon as the
> economy starts improving.
They are not spending because there is no recovery in sight and nobody is
gonna buy their products in the foreseeble future..
> The major difference between now and the 1930s is that there is a
> fundamental underlying strength, but corporations are afraid to spend.
Strength ? Where do you see strength here ? They've been talking
recovery for some twenty months are are still talking the same void talk..
There is no strength here but apparent volatility..
> The economy is currently being held afloat by consumer spending, becuase
> interest rates look so good.
The consumers will stop at some point; they've been spending on the false
note the economy was improving but it's been stalled for two years now and
is looking as bad as ever. They'll not only stop spending but will be deep
in debt. Sadly, they don't realize where their trust to the wall street
analysts is leading them to. Don't forget these analysts have interest to
make them buy, not save..
>... But corporations are afraid to spend
> because they see another round of interest rate increases as soon as the
> economy starts improving.
They are not spending because there is no recovery in sight and nobody is
gonna buy their products in the foreseeble future..
Jul 1st 2003, 9:40 am
#28
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Re: IT professionals not needed? No jobs?
> Anyway, what ERP software is in high demand in Canada? My
> specialization is Oracle (DBA and App. Development).
On the business side, Peoplesoft and JD Edwards are fairly hot in
Calgary (O&G). Tough to say what will happen to those positions with
the aquisitions and attempted hostile takeovers going on at the moment!
Unfortunately the tech side of ERP is probably just as saturated as
other areas of IT, however a couple of SAP/PS/JDE positions were
advertised within a local company a short while ago for upgrade work.
> specialization is Oracle (DBA and App. Development).
On the business side, Peoplesoft and JD Edwards are fairly hot in
Calgary (O&G). Tough to say what will happen to those positions with
the aquisitions and attempted hostile takeovers going on at the moment!
Unfortunately the tech side of ERP is probably just as saturated as
other areas of IT, however a couple of SAP/PS/JDE positions were
advertised within a local company a short while ago for upgrade work.
Jul 1st 2003, 6:49 pm
#29
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Re: IT professionals not needed? No jobs?
Question - if his skills are so 'high calibre' and 'in demand', why is
he still working for the NHS? Salaries are way below that of the
private sector... even at IT Director level.
fried_emu wrote:
> I'm British by birth, but grew up in Canada, my Canadian husband and I
> came back to live in the UK. I'm not impressed. I can see why people
> move to Canada.
> The Method that MrsCanada described is a North American style getting
> work. And North Americans do it that way because to them it is the only
> way. I don't tell people I'm British anymore, I say I'm Canadian - AND
> PROUD OF IT!!.
> The average worker here feels that they are owed everything and should
> not have to put in a hundred percent to get it. Team work is supposed
> to be here, but it is not really. MrsCanada got the job not only
> because she is skilled but has drive and determination to get ahead.
>
> I would move back to Canada in a moment if it was possible, ironically
> my husband (the Canadian) (ccnp, mcse) is of high demand here and runs a
> network for a 6 hospital trust. They feel because he is North American
> trained he is of higher calibre than the average British worker.
he still working for the NHS? Salaries are way below that of the
private sector... even at IT Director level.
fried_emu wrote:
> I'm British by birth, but grew up in Canada, my Canadian husband and I
> came back to live in the UK. I'm not impressed. I can see why people
> move to Canada.
> The Method that MrsCanada described is a North American style getting
> work. And North Americans do it that way because to them it is the only
> way. I don't tell people I'm British anymore, I say I'm Canadian - AND
> PROUD OF IT!!.
> The average worker here feels that they are owed everything and should
> not have to put in a hundred percent to get it. Team work is supposed
> to be here, but it is not really. MrsCanada got the job not only
> because she is skilled but has drive and determination to get ahead.
>
> I would move back to Canada in a moment if it was possible, ironically
> my husband (the Canadian) (ccnp, mcse) is of high demand here and runs a
> network for a 6 hospital trust. They feel because he is North American
> trained he is of higher calibre than the average British worker.
Jul 1st 2003, 8:07 pm
#30
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Location: Hades (yorkshire)
Posts: 114
Re: IT professionals not needed? No jobs?
When we moved here it was really scary. We were alone. We had no friends and no family. But this was a choice we made so we had to live with it.
This was the first job he got once we came here. Because of the lower wage bracket they have gauranteed through his contract to further his training every year. Last year they invested £10 k on his training, and this september they have commited to an additional £7500. By the end of 3 years he will be a CCIE. (if you know the lingo - it more than pays off in the end). We decided on the lower pay because the training costs actually brought it up to UK industry standards.
Does that answer your somewhat snide question?
Fried_emu
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Simon House
Question - if his skills are so 'high calibre' and 'in demand', why is
he still working for the NHS? Salaries are way below that of the
private sector... even at IT Director level.
This was the first job he got once we came here. Because of the lower wage bracket they have gauranteed through his contract to further his training every year. Last year they invested £10 k on his training, and this september they have commited to an additional £7500. By the end of 3 years he will be a CCIE. (if you know the lingo - it more than pays off in the end). We decided on the lower pay because the training costs actually brought it up to UK industry standards.
Does that answer your somewhat snide question?
Fried_emu
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Simon House
Question - if his skills are so 'high calibre' and 'in demand', why is
he still working for the NHS? Salaries are way below that of the
private sector... even at IT Director level.
